EU FP7 Marie Curie People program IOF IEF IIF tips
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So, you want to get money from EU (European Commission) by applying for one of the Marie Curie (People) schemes but you need expert advice. I have been working as an independent expert evaluating these schemes for over 4 years, so I should be able to help you.
All the three schemes (IEF, IOF, IIF) have similar criteria, which are given at the end of this hub along with my explanations as to what you have to write in these criteria. I also explained some of the important, mostly misunderstood sub-criteria to help you understand exactly what the Commission wants. In addition, I added a table for scores at the end of the text, submitted by unverified users so people will have an idea how the scores change over time.
But first, what's different about the three schemes is their objectives. If you want to write a successful proposal, you have to write it according to these objectives, and modify it to fit these objectives exactly.
The objectives of the IEF scheme require that these Fellowships will allow the most promising researchers from EU and Associated Countries to undertake training through research in the European organizations most appropriate to their individual needs. The researchers may freely choose the topic in collaboration with the host, with a view to completing or diversifying his/her expertise. The IEF action is aimed at experienced researchers to respond to their particular needs with a view to adding different/complementary scientific competencies in the process of reaching and/or reinforcing a position of professional maturity and independence (e.g. advanced training in multi-disciplinary fields, advanced training related to an interdisciplinary transfer, intersectoral experiences at senior level, ) or
to permit them to resume their career.
This means that if the researcher was pregnant, or had to leave science for a career in industry, but wants to come back to science, thats a priority researcher according to the objectives. The action permits the researchers to undertake transnational
mobility in the European organisations most appropriate to their individual
needs, directed towards competence diversification, without providing merely a subsequent step to continue their work
in the same research field. In other words, the proposed project should be something diversifying the career of the researcher.
The IOF scheme Fellowships are awarded to researchers from EU and Associated Countries to work in established third country research centers, thereby widening their international experience in research. This scheme requires the submission of a coherent individual training program, involving a first phase abroad, followed by a mandatory second phase in Europe. This action, open towards the rest of the world, aims to respond to the needs for reinforcing the international dimension of the career of European researchers by giving them the opportunity to be trained and acquire new knowledge in a world level third country research organization, and then to apply the experience gained in an organization in a Member State or Associated States.
And finally, the IIF scheme Fellowships aims at attracting top-class researchers from third countries to work and undertake research training in Europe, with the view to developing mutually-beneficial research co-operation between Europe and third countries. In the case of emerging and transition economies and developing countries, the scheme may include provision to assist fellows to return to their country of origin. This action reinforces the scientific excellence of the Member States and the Associated States thanks to the application of the knowledge thus transferred during this period of mobility and will also constitute a springboard for the future development of relations between the Member States or Associated States and the third countries.
All of the schemes have to be relevant to one or more of the specific objectives of the action. Potential of acquiring competencies during the fellowship to improve the prospects of reaching and/or reinforcing a position of professional maturity, diversity and independence, in particular through exposure to complementary skills training is important. The proposal should emphasize contribution to career development or re-establishment where relevant.
For international fellowships, potential for creating long term
collaborations and mutually beneficial co-operation between Europe and
the third country should be emphasized.
For incoming fellowships, contribution to the socio-economic
development of the Developing Countries or emerging and transition
economies by transfer of knowledge and human capacity building (where
appropriate) should be written in detail.
Extent to which the research contributes to the objectives of the
European Research Area or other European policy objectives are very
important as this section has high percentage in the total score.
Here are the criteria I mentioned at the top of the hub:
Criteria Weighting Threshold
In all the criteria, telling a story will help you succeed. Stating facts can easily be accomplished by using tables. One other thing is that you need to answer these sub-criteria with project specific answers, as opposed to using generic sentences.
1. Scientific
quality of the project 25% (Threshold 3)
In this criterion, it is important to mention interdisciplinary and multidisciplinary aspects of the proposal and emphasize how it is multidisciplinary with convincing arguments. The proposer should explain why the proposed research is timely, in other words, why it must be done now. This section needs to explain how the host has sufficient scientific expertise in this specific field and should prove that the host is very high quality. This can be done by mentioning publications, patents etc. Publications in journals like Science and Nature is a major boost. This section has high percentage, so it is important to work on this section.
2. Quality of research training 15% (Threshold 3)
This section should convince the expert reviewer that the fellow knows what he is going to learn and is aware of the learning objectives. Complementary skills must be mentioned here. These are things like grant writing, paper writing, presentation skills etc. You have to show that the host scientists have plenty of experience in training graduate students including post docs. Percentage of this section is low, but a score lower than the threshold will fail your proposal, so be sure to address all the subcriteria here carefully.
3. Quality of the researcher 25% (Threshold 4)
The fellow must convince the experts that he/she has sufficient experience in the subject. This can be accomplished by mentioning his/her accomplishments up to this point in his/her career. This is followed by the most important sub-criterion in this section, research results including publications, teaching, patents. I am not going to sugar coat it, it is a major boost to your proposal if you have high number of publications in high quality journals. This depends on your level of experience, so if you have been in science for 10 years, then you must have more publications compared to someone who has been in science for 2 years. This is quite important and may increase or decrease your points.
You have to write something specific to yourself that indicates that you have independent thinking and leadership qualities. This can be accomplished by telling a story on how you did something by yourself or lead students or some other group. In short, anything that will convince the experts that you have independent thinking and leadership qualities will do.
Your profile needs to match the project, but this does not mean that you should do the exact same thing as your masters or Ph.D. You need to diversify your subject, yet it should fit your profile. If the project is a subsequent step in your career, thats bad.
The project should provide you with the potential to reach a position of professional maturity. In other words, if you are one step away from professional maturity and this project will provide you with that ability, thats great. This could be by providing you with something that will complement your knowledge so that you will gain independence etc. You also have to write something regarding your potential to acquire new knowledge, to illustrate that you will learn and gain new knowledge by completing this project.
4. Implementation 15%
This section has to illustrate the hosts infrastructure and international collaborations. You have to write how you can accomplish the proposed research using the host's facilities and if they are enough. It is usually a bad idea to write that you will do this part of research in the host and have to go somewhere else to perform some other part of the research.
What will the host do to make you feel at home? Will you have visa or other legal problems or will they take care of that? What are other practical arrangements?
MUST INCLUDE A GANTT CHART here. Very important a lot of people leave out in their work plan.
5. Impact 20%
This section used to have the highest percentage in earlier years, and it is still high with 20 per cent. You must include COMPLEMENTARY SKILLS here as well as the training section. You have to illustrate your potential for reaching a position of professional maturity, diversity and independence. How will you be trained in complementary skills and how will it help you in maturity and independence?
Writing about contribution to career development is required and it is very important, as I mentioned at the top of the hub. If you left science and want to come back, the European Commission wants you back! This aspect should increase your chances significantly. If this project will make a significant contribution to your career, thats great also.
Contribution to European excellence and European competitiveness must be convincingly illustrated and must be specific to your project. In other words, don't fill it out with generic sentences.
2010 scores, as submitted by unverified users
Call
| Panel
| List
| Nick
| Score
|
|---|---|---|---|---|
IEF
| ENV
| B
| REALIST
| 88.6
|
IEF
| ENV
| B
| Nano
| 88.8
|
IEF
| ENV
| B (9th)
| JW
| 88.5
|
IEF
| ENV
| C
| LEO
| 85.0
|
IEF
| ENV
| B
| R1
| 88.2
|
IEF
| ENV
| B (cutoff)
| Granada
| 88.9
|
IOF
| ENV
| B
| C
| 90.9
|
IEF
| ENV
| C
| Hilly Billy
| 88.0
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| ra
| 89.2
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| Rob
| 89.90
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| Tom
| 89.2
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| nara
| 88.9
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| fingerscrossed
| 89.90
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| afg
| 89.40
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| ozon
| 88.80
|
IEF
| SOC
| B
| Trowel
| 88.50
|
IEF
| LIFE
| B (41st/46)
| MD
| 87.7
|
IIF
| PHY
| B
| Roman-br
| 88.5
|
IIF
| CHE
| B
| sansun
| 90.5
|
IOF
| LIFE
| B
| MelenudoPorElMundo
| 88.40
|
IOF
| CHE
| B
| RobbieG
| 91.1
|
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Dear Mrl,
Gantt charts are usually clearer compared to writing it out as text. It is not a requirement for eligibility, but more of a common sense. As this is a tips page, I would like to point out that you may get better clarity using charts and tables, offering the reviewers a way to better understand what you are going to do. However at the end, its up to you to decide which one is better, or whether you would like to use both of the methods.
Thanks! I must confess that this was the first time that I ever heard of a Gantt Chart, so I'm getting a training already while compiling an application! Thanks for the other tips, too.
Do you have a tip for the recommended location of references to relevant works by others? There does not seem to be a place for this, although it should probably fit into the page limit of section 1...
You are correct in guessing the place for References; end of the science section is good.
Thank for these relevant tips!!
Could you know what is the typical winning total score for an incoming fellowship?
Dear AH, it changes every year because of many factors, such as the number of proposals submitted, amount of funding available etc.
Very useful post! Thank you.
Just a question. Do you know, more or less, the % of accepted proposals for IOF? In other words, are there a lot of proposals?
Still, they don't report on the winning thresholds...
Hi there, thank really for this informative post.
I would like to ask where can I find the past founded projects and their reviews? Is there any additional advice for projects in the humanities? thank you
thanks for all the info rider_tiger
i have been told by a MC official that success rate is like 20%
You say: "Publications in journals like Science and Nature is a major boost". If this is true why do you bother reading the 25 pages of the the grant? Just look at the publication list! More seriously: I think that publishing in international journals is very important. Now if it is Nature or another less prestigious journal also depends on the result sexiness. Some topics never go into such journal. Moreover a PhD student can get a good project from the supervisor that will go into Science or Nature. This has not much to do with the quality of the researcher. So I hope that not all reviewers search at Science and Nature papers because I have none...
@ Zou
Very few applicants would have Science or Nature papers I believe, I dont have one either. I think rider_tiger meant if there are such papers from the host organizations, not from the applicant.
@ mtg
yes you are probably right. Thanks for the comment.
Sorry rider_tiger that I forgot to thank you for this webpage...
Does someone have a successful application i could look for help with the bull shitting sections?
Hi and thanks for the Gantt tip !
Also I was wondering something concerning the format of the B part.
Is there any specification concerning the font size (12 or 11 pt) and the size of the margins ?
If I use small margins, can the proposal be discarded for that ?
Thanks
check out the guidelines, i think 11 is the minimum! there are other specifications such as the page margins
has someone the pre-results as email, i am wondering about the results,
i have my IEF results,
also wondering :)
I have also received the IEF pre-results... Do you know where I can find statistics about the minimum threshold to obtain a grant last years ? 85%, 90% ?
Yes, I would also be very interested in the average score(s) of the last years. Unbelievable that google doesn't seem to find anything...
i agree that the winning threshold would vary from year to year.
but how the scores distribution looks like?
I am quite curious myself as well, I scored over 91 points, however that might not be enough, seeing as quite a large number of people applied this time.
Oh, you have 91 points, probably you will win. I have only 85, probably fail...How many points do you have?
We achieved 87,5 ... and I'm quite pessimistic 'bout it. Would be really good to know what the scores of other successful proposals are. Is there a division into the different panels or is it just the total score which counts?
unless we get the scores from 2000 applicants?....we'll never know
Two years ago a friend of mine was placed in the reserve list with 82,7 (social sciences).
But I wouldn't give much importance to it, it can really vary from year to year.
Does anyone know when the list of successful projects will be published? It should be in December, isn'it? I hope we should not wait the next year...
Probably soon in December... Last year, the preliminary evaluation results (with the ranks) were published the 22 December.
See the link : http://www.ukro.ac.uk/mariecurie/results/091223_ie
Last year, there was only 1857 projets above the 70/100 threshold... This year, if I understand well, there is 2161 projects above and only 504 will obtain a grant.
I got 89.4.
There are some infos in here ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/improving/docs/mcf_ assuming the document is up to date.
"The distribution of budget between the nine panels is in proportion to the number of eligible proposals received."
I quote from: http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio
So, our score could be compared only within the related panel.
how depressing! So most of us will not get it!
I got above 91 in LIF
does any one know what was the threshold in scores to get fund last year
Do you know whether the projects are listed by their score in the published results?
In previous years projects above and below the threshold were mixed, this year they are separeted...
it seems that they are separated by being below and above. however, the proposal that made it were listed by their numbers rather than their scores.
And I even checked it already...without noticing it.
Waiting will get me crazy!
does anyone have statistics regarding scores in the previous calls (2009, 2008, 2007....)
A friend of I talked to some reviewers last year. Apparently the cut-off is usually between 87 and 89. Above 89, you have great chances to get it, and under 87 very few. Wish good luck to everyone (it's lost for me)!
According to this document :
http://www.externarelationer.adm.gu.se/digitalAsse
cut-off scores ranged from 83.6 to 87.6 % last year for the different IEF panels.
@nano
great finding!
i'm out..
And there were less proposals submitted and less proposals passing all thresholds than this year for the same budget. The cut-off scores this year are likely to be higher.
@KaffeeTasse
I agree, but the evaluators could have been more strict this year. Also the variability among the panels was very high last year (more than 6!)
Any clue on when the rankings are going to be released? In principle all they have to do is "sort -g"...
I scored 87 and it is really marginal
@Nano, thanks a lot for sharing the document with cut-off scores. It helps a bit with the stress!
I got 84.6 (ENV panel)....so I'd better start looking for a job :)
Has anyone received news about the IOF Scheme? I know I made the threshold, but that's only because I came across the preliminary results sheet by accident. I'm starting to worry that the Commission have lost my email address or something.
So, if anyone has their IOF result, it would be great if they could say so--along with the method by which the result was sent
Thanks!
for those in IEF LIF panel the cut off scores of 2008: 87.4 and 2009: 87.2.
last years they had more applications than 2008 and thus they expected an increase in cut - off scores. However this did not happen. Thus i overall do nto expect any significant increase this year. I also have heard that evaluators are far stricter than previous year. I personally got 92% this year after resubmitting the proposal (in 2009 i got 83% and i was out).
I also cannot stop looking for info on the net. Seems like it would be so easy and beneficial to us if the cutoff scores for previous years in different categories were posted. I also found http://www.externarelationer.adm.gu.se/digitalAsse
but that is only 1 year and hard to draw any conclusions. My guess is that the cut-off scores do vary each year depending on strength of proposals and review panels. I suppose we have another 3-4 weeks before we figure out which group we are in.
I have tried to trace the source from the link above, apparently the information is in the CORDIS archive, but I have not been able to find it yet!
I got 90.30 and it's killing me!
90.30 is a very good score
90.3 is a high score. What panel and call (IIF, IEF etc)? I got 88.4 IIF ENV panel so it is just on the cusp compared to last years cutoff. I hope the reviewers were more harsh this year otherwise I think I will be on the outside looking in
I got 91.9 in IEF LIF but I am really worry becuase of the number of applicants
Does enyone know about the IRG evaluation summary reports. Has anyone received it yet?
Does anyone know when exactly the letters to successfull candidates are send ? The guide says "in December" but this is pretty vague.
I think the letters will be sent around the 22 of December
@MH: yes, last year they published the list on December 22.
Anyway, in the information letter we received they wrote we can use the "redress procedure" till December 25.
I really hope this does not mean that we have to wait till next year to get the results...
I have a question - why would the reviewers be more harsh this year ? Is this some kind of insider information, or we just hope so ? I have 88.9, last year the cut-off was 86.7 for physics, but I am not optimistic. The success rate this year will be lower, and probably the cut-off scores higher.
About the dates when preliminary results were published in previous years (IEF):
2009 - 22 Dec
2008 - 08 Dec
2007 - 06 Dec (no date on document, but pdf was created on that date)
Perhaps this year we'll be lucky and get feedback early in December!
Thank you RL, that was helpful.
I got only 85 in the ENV, I think I done...
any exemple this year of resubmitted proposal with incresing total score ??? THANKS :)
I think the hope is that they are more harsh so a slightly lower score may have a chance. Maybe the reviewers were informed that there were many more proposals this year and graded more strictly because of it. Of course they could have not altered their method at all and the cut-off will just be raised (more likely). In any event, the cut-off scores are likely to fluctuate from year to year anyway so those close to previous years cut-offs should refrain from getting too excited (or depressed) comparing this years score to cut-offs of the past.
I really hope we do not have to wait til a few days before christmas to find out.
they also expected an increase in cut off scores in 2009 as the applications increases by 35-40%. However the cut off scores were only slightly increased by 2-3 points at most cases i.e different panels and programs (IEF, IIF).
anyway i believe that a score above 90% relatively secure. Those in 88,88,89 be sitting on fire until they hear the formal results, i.e those assigned to A, B, C categories.
Tahnk you for the info bug ! Do you know how the score for the PHY panel changed from 2008 to 2009 ?
Last question, bug - by 2-3 points you mean from say 83 to 86, or from 83.0 to 83.3 ?
according to numbers of UK research office
IEF PHY 2008: 87.2
for 2009 according to one of the links above was 86.7!
i will try to copy pate now th etabel i have form UKRO for 2008 results...but cannot guarantee that thsi is going to work
IOF
IIF
IEF
IAPPs
CHE
88.6
88
87.1
82.3
ECO
84.2
80.4
82.7
75.2
ENG
86.7
82.3
82.3
75.8
ENV
88
86.9
86.8
80.7
LIF
88.5
87.8
87.4
84.3
MAT
84.8
87.4
85.4
85.4
PHY
89.5
86.3
87.2
88.1
SOC
87.8
88.4
84.5
81
OK, you are great ! I really appreciate the info !
with 88.2 in ENV ... I am sitting on fire :(
ENV : 231 proposals above threshold in 2009 and 282 in 2010 (+18%)
but in 2009 the budget was higher then in 2008 from 75 to 95mn) and succes rate was similar in these years (ca 25%). In this year as it was mentioned before the budget is the same (95mn).. So, the success rate this year will be lower, and the cut-off scores are likely to be higher. I personally got 90,9 in LIF and I'm afraid it might be not enough
In the information letter we received "For information, in this particular call it is estimated that funds will be available to support around
504 projects out of the 2161 that have passed all evaluation thresholds"
The success rate this year is 504/2161 = 23.3 %, no ? This is not very different than previous years...(25%)
Number of eligible proposals this year : 2832
so the expected success rate this year would be : 504/2832, i.e. below 18 % ...
The cut-off scores are thus likely to be higher but I agree with bug : "a score above 90% is probably relatively secure. Those in 88,88,89 be sitting on fire until they hear the formal results" ...
Are they sending the letters to successful candidates before they publish the list ?
@bug Are the cut-off scores available somewhere in the UKRO website?
@nano
2832 are the overall proposasl those above thresholds are 2161
@RL
no someone had emailed them to me last year...itried to put the info here but did not work:(
@bug
The success rate is calculated using the overall proposals, last year the success rate was almost 24 % (575/2398), this year it will be less than 18 % (501/2853)... unfortunately for us
but as you said R1, 23.3 % of proposals above the threshold will be funded this year(501/2161). It means that for the ENV panel approximatively 68 applicants would be founded this year(293x0.233).
Last year 72 applicants were on the A list in the ENV panel IEF and the cut off score was 86.9%, this year if 4 to 6 applicants are remove from the A list and if you considere that applicants are separated by 0.1 for example, cut-off score could raise by 0.6 %.
My opinion is that cut-off score will be higher but there will be not a high increase.
However, I am worry like you ...
The preliminary results of 2009 was published in the same website on 01/12/2009, right?
This is a very (very) rough estimate. If I take the success rate for all three years (2008-2010) and compare that with the cut-off scores given above, I get, for PHY IEF 87.6...
Guys, reall starting to get worried here. Would anyone who applied for any scheme (IEF, IOF, IIF) be able to let me know how they got their ranking? Was it through regular letter? An email? An email with a scanned letter attached?
I know I asked this already, but it's really worrying me now.
Cheers in advance.
@Lodore You should normally get it from the grants office of the university you are making the application with (who probably you already contacted when submitting the proposal). It should help if you drop them an email asking if they have any news.
@RL: Thanks for the info! I was expecting they'd get in touch with me directly. I'll drop the Research Office an email first thing Monday so.
@Lodore: I also applied for the IOF and haven't received anything. It's likely the evaluation summary reports have not yet been sent to the IOF applicants. That said, this is the first year I applied, and I'm not sure who gets the results...the scientist in charge, the applicant, or someone else...this probably depends on the contact info you provided in the A part of the application.
@TAN: Thanks for that TAN. I guess the next two or three days will tell all so. Fingers crossed for both of us ...
i got 85 at IEF - ENG panel. what should i think. =-*
does anyone know if applicants with < 10 years experience are scored differently than those with > 10 years experience? Do they accept a certain percentage of < 10 years versus > 10 years?
Thanks!
tag-2010, I got 85 at IEF - ENG panel as well.
I am afraid it is not enough. Last year, the threshold was 85.3 having 139 proposals passed all the evaluation thresholds. This year, 207 proposals passed all the evaluation thresholds...
Bad news for us since the total founding for the ENG will not be increased much.
I hope I am wrong.
@YY, i think you are right. no chance for us, may be we would be in B list. but that means very long waiting time. they liked my project, gave a lot of nice comments, but only 4 point.
4 in first S&T part.
by the way, I heard that they will send rankings to NCPs this week. keep in touch with your fp7 contact point.
@tag what is FP7 contact point? How to reach them?
@tag-1 Do you know if the rankings will be publicly available at the contact points ? Is it sure that they are publishing them this week ?
every country has a main FP7 contact point and mobility office. you should search for your country.
I asked to NCP in germany they told me this week they will get the rankings list. of course they are not the official results for us but at least we can understand the cut-off's.
@tag: So, I should contact the NCP in the country of the host?
Hi guys, I got 85.3 in PHY and I guess that it won't be good enough. I'm starting to get anxious. Merde!
Guys, I just contacted an official from the NCP in the Netherlands. She claims that the results will be available shortly before Christmas. The NCPs will not have them in advance. So we are going to have to wait.
@Eric: thanks for the info. So we have to wait for such a long time :-(
@Eric: I had the same information, we'll receive an email, but probably not before middle December.
Personally I got 86.4 in LIF (IEF), so I think I'm out, considereing the score of most people here!
can someone organize the last 4-5 years cut offs for ?ef and iof
flash info is updated in cordis web page. there is a kind of rank list for CAR panel. i couldnt get it what is this
Cut-offs from last year (see chart 9)
But if it's just about your ranking, why isn't the result known yet, then? They've got all the results, so they could just order them and tell the top 500 that they've won. Is it possible that they do anything else than merely ranking and cutting off?
tag-2010 and YY: I received 85 also, for IIF ENG. I'm trying not to be too optimistic given the number of applicants and funding, but the scores from ENG tend to be lower it seems. For 2008, 2009 the cutoffs were 82.3, 86.7 for IIF ENG.
Other ENG applicants: what were your scores?
Also: if they're just gonna do numerical ranking, why bother with a quality threshold? The lower ones would never make it anyway. This suggests that maybe numerical ranking isn't everything.
Or does anybody have info that says otherwise?
@che, theresholds important. for example you can get 92 total score, but if you get 3.9 from first S&T part, then your 92 is nothing.
its a kind of 2 step evoluation. but normally now they have all information to declare the rankings. we do not need to wait one more month, but i dont know why, results will come in next month
Hi companions on suffering:
I had an 88 on my IIF LIFE project ('sitting on fire' category). What surprised me is that a couple of pals (that scored lower than me) told me that they had no remarks in the section "RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEGOTIATION AND/OR INDICATORS TO MONITOR PROGRESS OF PROJECT"
However mine has a couple of remarks.
That gives me hopes however, given my score I probably wont make it to the A groups of candidates. I think that with a bit of luck I can make it to the B group and cross fingers.
It wouls be helpful if more people posted his/her score and if there are any remarks in that sections of the ESR.
They sent out the IOF rankings today. I got 89.1 in SOC; last year, the cut off was 90.6. Is there any point hoping that something might come of this? Or is falling below last year's ranking necessarily the kiss of death, especially when so many have applied this year...
@asb,
what kind of comments you have under the recommendtations for neg.. section. my friend got the the ief last year, but there was nothing in that part. may be it is not an indicator but it is important, what it says
Man, another month of finger biting! I got 90.6 for IOF in LIF category. Thought it was quite good, but after reading this I'm actually starting to get hopeful. It will be devastating if I don't get it now (especially since I have no job next year at the moment)....
I got 91.2 in IEF (LIV).
recommendations for negotiation are "favourable opinion of the relevant ethics committee(s)"
I have a similar comment.
I got 87.3 in IEF LIV and had no comments on the "RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEGOTIATION.." I really don't know what does this means but unfortunately I'm probably sitting below the line.....good luck everyone !
Can anyone come up with a mathematical law to evaluate the cutoff scores of this year, taking into account the number of applicants?
I got 92.5 in the SOC panel, which would have been ok last year.
Can we find last year raking somewhere on the net?
from cordis pages
An update of the preliminary results, in which the career restart panel (CAR) is also shown, can be found under Additional Documents. Note that the selection procedure for the Career Restart panel is the same as any other panel, a ranking list is established and the proposals are funded from the top downwards until the budget is exhausted. The distribution of budget between the nine panels is in proportion to the number of eligible proposals received.
A quick check of the numbers:
In 2009 (IEF) 1857/2398 passed the threshold, in 2010 it is 2161/2853. So 24.26% were cut this year instead of 22.56% last year. Maybe the examiners were a bit more strict this years because of the higher number of applications. Or this is just wishful thinking...
And something that doesn't seem right is that 504 projects are expected to get funding in 2010, but in 2009 575 projects got funding with the same budget... Am I missing something here?
Dear All
I had applied for the IEF call this year and got a score of 91.30.Is this a decent score? I have no idea in which regime this score falls. Any suggestions or comments would be of immense help for me.
Wishing you all the very best.
@ MR: they must be spending more per applicant this year. I see the same trend in IIF - 137 expected to be funded this year, compared to 154 last year (for the same budget)
@Peter: which pannel are you in?
@Peter
91.3 is a high score, don't be worry. Compared to the last year you are higher than cut off scores (the highest was 87.6% for IEF). Cut off scores are likely to be higher this year but you'll be probably funded. In which panel are you ?
did any other folks with a score above 90 NOT have comments in the Recommendation for negotiations... section?
Or did all folks with scores above 90 have them? Even though someone above stated that a friend received an award with no comments there, the lack of comments may be a strong indicator of falling below the mark.
I got 90.6 and had no comments in the recommendation for negotiations section. So hoping that's not a negative indicator...
it seems that comments in the Recommendation for negotiations... section are related only to the ethic decision for the moment
Yes, a friend of mine in PHY got it without comments. In PHY is quite common not to have comments in this section.
I think that the comments in the Recommendation for negotiations are issues that have to be raised in case the negotiation takes place, such as ethical issues. It is not indicative of how likely the negotiation is.
Hi All,
Just wanted to share - I've got 86 in IIF-ENV. I guess no hope for me, maybe a place on the reserve list. Cutoff was 88 last year.
Do you know how long you wait for an answer once you're in the reserve list? I hope they give some kind of an estimate at some point.
Good luck to everyone
Dear all,
I have received a devastating 86.6 in PHY/IOF. Bad luck. Congratulations to everybody who succeeded and patience to all of you who at least managed to enter the reserve list!
Hopefully the 'real' job search will be more fortunate...
It would be interesting to know if somebody under 85 or under 80 has any has any comment in that sections. Maybe somebody with more than 85 and no comments has raised no ethical issues.
I didnt get any comments either for the recommendations for negotiation section. And how do we find out in which panel our application is in?
Thanks
@disapointed
Don't be so pesimistic. 86 es quite good. We have to wait. Thats it.
@peter : have you raised ethical issues ?
thanks for rapid response. It make sense now that the comments are probably for ethical issues and not likely indicative of success or failure.
glad to see so many people posting their thoughts
@erg: Nope I didnt have any ethical issues with my proposal.
@peter : thanks for your rapid answer
Is anybody who have raised ethical issues and got a high scores (above 89) has no comment for the recommendations for negotiation ?
i got 91.60 but no comments at all (IEF - LIF)
i am very sure these comments on ethical issue have nothing to do with proposal assessment. Everybody calm down (...and in between finish up a manuscript:)
Making simplistic assumptions about scores distribution (uniform in the upper quartile) and taking into account the reduced success rate the cutoff scores increase from 3.0 to 3.6 form the 2009 scores depending on the panel. Lower scores get a higher increase. Having said that this does not take into account that scores are "probably" skewed towards the cutoff and assumes that the reviewing is consistent from year to year.
I get the feeling that a score above 92 is a rare thing - am I right ?
I have 90.5 in CHE (IIF). More than the last year's cut off. Quite curious, what will happen to me. Anyone in CHE category here?
I hope so!
@ Erg
@ Good luck
: I am in the PHY panel.
I have a suggestion to estimate the cut-off score for this year. My field is SOC/IIF. 2008 cut-off score was 88,4, in 2009 it was 91. An increase of 2.6 points. So if this year the increase of applications was the same as between 2008 and 2009, cut-off score 2010 would be roughly 93.6. I am very bad in mathematics, so I would like to ask to the scientists among you if this kind of correlations could be done. And if they are meaningful, does somebody have some information about the increase of applications in the last years and the respective cut-off scores?
Hi! I got 90.9 in IOF-ENV.
nothing under reccomendations for negotiation.
keeping my fingers crossed...
do not try to estimate the cutoff for this year, it is impossible. we need sthg like wikileaks :) someone tell us the truth from REA.
over 85 has always chance to be in A or B list. but it depends to panel of course. cross the fingers, keep waitin'
@Penguin: to get a good estimate of the cut-off, the percentage scores from last year are needed. That would allow to see whether the distribution of scores is Gaussian and what the mean is. Combined with this information and the overall statistics for this year (in terms of the number of people applying within each category), a fairly good estimate for the cut-off could be made.
@sansun, I got 91.8 in CHE/IIF, no comments on the Recommendations section, and my proposal doesn't raise ethical issues. It's not for sure, but I think we have high chances of getting it. Last year's cut-off was 87.9 for CHE/IIF - although most probably it will increase this year, I think it is likely that it'll stay below 90.
@Eric, I also think it is very rare to get a score above 92.
@Alex: thank you for your answer. Actually, I am not able to do this kind of calculations. May be somebody else could do it?
@RC
Why do you think that cut-off scores in CHE/IIF would probably stay below 90? thanks
@Penguin: I would try it, but I would need all the percentage scores from last year (not just the cut-off scores).
I am in CHE, got 86. So sad!
@RC
Thanks for the reply. Same with me regarding Recommendations section, and ethical ethical issues.
Does anybody knows whether all applications above the cut off score will be invited for negotiation/funded?
I guess there is a waiting list. Does it contains application from above or below the cut off scores? Any idea?
I got 88.8 in PHY. So really feeling the flames... I also have a statement in the Recommendations section about my 'seniority' (agreeing that I have more than 10yrs of experience). So, I suppose they write something in Recommendations only if you are an 'unsual' case (ethical evaluation, 'old' ;-), etc). I don't think it has anything to do with your chances of getting the grant.
This is turning out to be a very informative discussion !
@ Sanson and RC
I got 88.2 in IIF/CHE; so on fire. Good Luck, both of you seem to have made it.
Does anybody have info regarding chances for those on reserve list !
@K
An icrease of cut-off scores from 3.0 to 3.6 from the 2009 score seems too large. It would mean that only applicants with scores higher than 90-92, dependeing on panels, would be funded... I think there are not a lot applicants with scores higher than 91
@az
you are right, higher than 91 is rare; but there seem to be many applicants between 87-89 so it would be a razor finish for many.
you are right, 87-89 will be likely the range of cut off scores
I agree getting a score much higher than 92 would be tough, but do you have any knowledge as to the actual score distribution for any call and any panel? I have not been able to find any score distributions anywhere. Perhaps they never divulge that information
@tag-2010: Tag, you said that the NCP in Germany would have the results this weeks. Would you be able to forward them if you get hold of them?
@reddog: I agree. It seems that the actual score distribution are not published by the EC, at least not as part of the call information, which seems the sensible thing to do.
I think it would be nice that to have the ranks published along with the individual results at this point, without any final decisions stated, so that at least we could have a better feeling of what to expect rather than having to wait another three weeks.
If my calculation is correct the LIF panal in IEF will receive approximately 30% of the 95 millions allocated for the IEF call. This based on the following: 669 scored above the threshold which constitutes 30% of these that scored above the threshold (669/2161). In total, 504 that are going to be funded this year form which 30 % should go the LIF panel, i.e, 151 applicants which is 23% lower than last year (was 195 in 2009) . If we even assume that every proposal in the LIF panel asked for two years funds (approximately 195000 EUR) then the number of proposal that are going to be funded this year in this panel is down to 146 proposals only. This is a rough estimate and it is unlikely that all proposals asked for two years funds. Remember, the cut-off score last year was for195 proposals that got funded but this year it is likely that the number is going to be around 151 in this panel which I believe will increase the cut-off score dramatically.
@MA I don't think that the cut-off will necessarily increase dramatically. Evaluators might as well give a bunch of 80-85% scores instead, keeping the upper 30% above 88,89,90 or whatever
mark you might think of. I prefer to think in terms of previous
cut-off scores, which give a good idea of what trend evaluators follow.
Isn't it funny how we all are guessing around -- but still it doesn't help because we do NOT know this year's distribution... Is it an advantage that we convince ourselves by some guessing/pseudo-statistic arguments that our proposal still might be in the range? This even makes me more nervous :)
My proposal also is in the critical range (MAT, 87,5) but I decided it's best not to think about it further until we get the scores... So the most important question now is: WHEN will we get these results? Beginning of December would be nice...
So let's be patient and fingers crossed! :)
The preliminary results [A, B, C, D] of 2009 was published online on 01/12/2009 according to the following document, right?
I would say 3-3.6 is a worst case scenario but it is not to be completely discounted. From some data in this discussion and the scores of IOF and IIF proposals one gets the feeling that the distribution of scores in the range of 85-94 seems less skewed then one would think. If we also assume that around 10% of proposals over the threshold are over 94 then this leaves 20% in the range of 86-94. Scores can be gaussian but in the range of interest 85-100 we are looking at the tail of the distribution.
Again this is just an educated guess since we don't know if the evaluators are more strict this year and the actual skewness of the scores distribution.
I guess the actual increase might be in the range of 1.5 to 2.5 depending on the panel.
@dv agreed,
just cant help myself looking at the data ;-)
This year, the proportion of applicant above threshold that will be funded will be approximatively 23.3 % (504/2621). This proportion will be almost the same for all panel. For the example of MA, 669*0.233 = 156, close to his estimate of 151.
For the ENV IEF panel (where I submitted my proposals), 296*0.233 = 69 would be funded this year, last year 72 were funded in this panel. This is the only estimation that we can do. It is impossible at which cut-off it corresponds, too much data are missing like the distribution of last year and more important: how the reviewer did their work this year ...
@goodluck I thought the results last year were published on the 22nd of december ?
Does anyone have good (progress in year to year scores achieved) experience with reapplication to the same panel ?
This website is 1) great due to the level of interest and posting and 2) killing me because I cant stop looking at it hopig for new concrete information. I doubt we can arrive at the latter until after the results are posted, presumably in mid-late december.
I shall drink a beer or three in our honor this evening wishing good fortune upon us all.
@pj : yes drink a beer and stop thinking about the results is probably the best thing to do !
Just for information only..
In 2008 and 2009 succes rates in the IFF panel were 21,2% and 14,7(!) respectively (number of submitted proposal increased from 665 to 1045). Changes in the cut-off scores were as follows:
2008 2009
CHE 88 87,9 -0,1
ECO 80,4 87,4 7
ENG 82,3 86,7 4,4
ENV 86,9 88,5 1,6
LIF 87,8 88,7 0,9
MAT 87,4 89,4 2
PHY 86,3 86,8 0,5
SO 88,4 91 2,6
wish good luck to everyone
@Eric: In the flashinfo last year, it said "The preliminary results will be published in the same website on 01/12/2009." Am I misunderstanding something?
Let me check.
@goodluck You are right. Preliminary results were indeed published on the 1st of December. That means we won't have to wait until Christmas. I am not sure however how long do we have to wait for some info. If tag's info is correct we will get the preliminary results this week.
Do you guys manage to receive an e-mail when some new information is available at the official website? Usually one gets e-mails containing the least interesting information, but somehow they don't manage to send a reminder when the results are available.
@en. It's of course just speculation. I am hoping that the cut-off scores will remain below 90, because it seems that the number of proposals above 90 has been small (and probably increasing) all years. So, even if the population has doubled this year, multiplying this small number by 2, or whatever, would probably still give a number smaller than the total number of grants awarded.
As we see on the tables posted above, the cut-off values have been increasing year by year, but the increase rate has also consistently decreased as the value of the cut-off approaches ~90.
This makes sense to me: the distribution of scores is not uniform, and thus, an increase in population will increase the cut-off more easily if its value was lower, e.g. more easily from 84 to 87, than from 90 to 93, etc.
Regarding the publication dates, if tag-2010 was told by an NCP that ranks would be sent to them this week, we might be getting news soon. Let's hope this occurs.
yeah, i have informed by ncp that this week i hope 1.12.10 they will send the rankings. if i get any news ofcourse i will share it here asap.
@tag-2010 That's great! Thank you tag-2010
Hi, and what about a 85.80 in SOC panel? any chance to get in te B list?
Hi guys, any news today? I am getting more and more anxious
I could say I am completely stupid!
I just realized that I forgot to write in the proposal my teaching experience...
It was this negative comment: "Teaching experience is limited therefore reaching professional maturity cannot be assessed." that was coming in my head again and again and I just checked....
I guess nothing can do about it now. Am I right?
@goodluck The same here...
@YY
I think the redress procedure is for this kind of stuff. But I doubt actually it will change much.
@YY - unfortunately the redress procedure will not look at anything that was omitted from the proposal. I think it's more for obvious misunderstandings or procedural mistakes.
BTW everyone, the list of projects above the threshold is here. Scroll down to people and click on the appropriate program.
I didn't see any score of CHE (IEF). I got 87.9, above the cut-off value of last year but really sitting on the fire now. Please post more CHE (IEF) results!
You want a CHE (IEF) result? I got 76.9. Guess I should try to find some other funding...
Any PHY (IEF) results?
I got a round 87 and it's killing me...
@MR I got 90.3
Does any body have info on chances of reserved list candidates ?
@abhi: It seems that when the the proposal in A has
been withdrawn, the proposal in the reserved list will then be invited to negotiation
see e.g.:
@goodluck
Thank you very much for the info.
But had there been actually any cases earlier where the A list proposal's were withdrawn. I think the probability for such an eventuality wouldn't be more than 1-2%.
I got 94.1% in LIF but I think I will withdraw for Susan Komen grant- one more place for the rest!
@abhi: The information on withdrawals for 2009 is under "Grant Agreement Production Progress". : http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio
@ LIF
Congrats for the high score; I think you are the topper amongst all of us here. But I am a bit surprised; you consider Susan Komen more attractive/prestigious than MC
@LIF
Thanks you :D
@ Alex
Thanks for the reply as well for the excellent information on withdrawals in 2009.
I note with some trepidation that there seem to comparatively fewer (only 1) withdrawals in CHE (my category) than in LIF (total 9)! Probably this is because of the several other attractive fellowships in LIF category.
@Alex thanks for the link!
I see that in IEF PHY out of the 22 programs in the reserve list 9 got funding. There is still hope if just missed the cut-off...
Guys, I think it is very probable (gathering information from past years and two NCPs) that we will have the preliminary ranking list this week or the next, but I thik it will be definetly before the Christmas week.
So - good luck !
Hi everyone!
Anyone got more than 92 in SOC, for the IOF?
Best luck to all of us!
@Eric, do you know if they'll send of the ranking or publish it on the FP7 webpage? Thanks!
@RC I am not sure. But I think it is better to check from time to time the CORDIS site. I don't know which will be first - the letters to successful applicants or the preliminary rankings published on the site. Maybe the site first ?
Check from time to time huh. Anyone else having trouble not refreshing the page every half hour?
@Damo: I am in the same trouble.
Anyone else in CHE/IIF other than 'RC' and 'abhi'? Please post your score here.
mine is 90.5 (exp 4-10 yrs category)
LIF/IIF (4-10 years of experience) 88.1
anyone else?
LIF/IEF 91.2
I have to say that with 87 I was happy at first but after reading the comments and seeing other scores here I think I will start looking for other jobs... Unless there are many more people with lower scores who didn't even bother to look here.
Got 84.60 in IOF LIF, I'm out. :)
LIF/IEF 91.6
Does anyone know what was the cut-off score for IEF - PHY in 2007 ?
LIF/IEF 91.9
You're in, MA
TOP SITE !
Based on some commnents of the evaluators it is clear that they are not really specialist in my field...also..perhaps evaluated by some collegues who knows..(I've exp>10 years)...
86-87-88-89-90 what does it mean ??? even in the same panel if we got different evaluators for different proposals..it is totaly biaised..isn't it ???
The difference based on the coef it is ridiculus 4 or 4.2 on what criteria ???
You're right Europ_crisis... let's got to USA or...
or one year again surviving in Europe..no job
Any exemple this year of resubmitted proposal with increasing total score ??? THANKS :)
@Europ_crisis
The evaluation reports we get are the summary and average mark of three evaluators. True, one bad evaluator can bring you down, but what else can they do?
I got 90.3 in CHE/IOF
@Leo: I resubmitted a proposal that I presented last year. Last year I got 82.5 so this year is much better. I followed most of the the evaluators comments that I received last year...Hope 90.3 will be enough, not sure tough.
bye
It is possible to submit again the same project next year even if I started to work on it? (obtained some funding). I will stay in the new country for less than 1 year, is that ok? Please help me
@ lor My understanding of the rules is that it's probably possible if you've been there for less than a year by the submission date of the proposal. BUT, given how competetive these fellowships are, the fact that you're already there and working on it will probably give you a lower score under the "impact" section. My guess is that getting 4 (very good) for any section will put you under the cut-off.
@lor: I think submitting the same project next year is a good idea because you can address evaluators comments from the previous year. You'd have to be careful in how you sell it though, because they're looking for "genuine mobility" and as Damo says the Impact section would have to be really well sold.
thanks to your answer; I obtained 84 this time and I think that it will be quite easy to address in a proper way the evaluators comments; only the "genuine mobility" worry me. The project needs a long stay in this country, that could justify my new submission.
@IOR if you will be eligible next year, I think it shouldn't be a problem.
I submitted last year IEF ENV, I had 69.7, very bad result but expected. I resubmitted this year same program, IEF ENV same host institution, where I am working since 2 months. This year I got 86.2. Probably still not enough but anyway there isn't any bad comment about mobility in the evaluation of this year.
Good luck
I think I'm screwed.
88.4 in CHE/IOF
@JTP
Not at al! you are above last year's cut-off. You have chances to enter in Group A and, if not, be in the reserve list (Group B). Don't be so pesimistic! Good luck!
I´ve got 84.2 in LIF/IOF. At the beginning I was very happy with my score, but after reading all the posts here I am thinking that in February I will apply again...sniffffff
I know two people that got funded last year in LIF with 75% and 84%. How is this possible? Are you sure that it is only based on the score or will the EU has to give fundings to ALL EU countries and different areas of the same subject (i.e. cancer, IVF, expression ect)??
Also does anyone know if the career restart panel is based on the date of the award of the PhD or in the submission date (then there is viva, corrections and re-submission)?
I think there are many people with lower scores than posted here. There were more than 2800 applicants and we know the score only for a handful. And it is the upper 'handful' who posts their scores. So, our sample is very biased. ;-) But still, it does not change the fact that this year there were 20% more applications. What I find the most hopeful sign for us around 85-89 points is that there were 24.26% proposal below the threshold this year instead of 22.56% last year. So, this would indicate somewhat stricter evaluation than last year. Still, it would be wishful thinking to expect to get such low cut-off as 80.5 last year in ECO. And there is also the new 9th panel this year, career restart... So, we have to just patiently wait, but at least I am fast running out of patience.
@SG, hi last year my friend failed in IEF - LIF panel with %85 and she was not even B list, i think there is a misunderstanding about %75 it is nearly impossible. but if it is correct, it is a non-ethic situation. i do not want to believe.
by the way, this year we should expect some interesting points because of new panel CAR. CAR panel contains people from other panels, because of that this year is hard to guess. i hope they will announce the results this week or may be next monday. be patient guys, if you have any official news please post here.
good luck all
@tag-2010 Yes, let's hope results come in these days. Are you planning to contact the NCP to see if they got the ranks this week?
I couldn't sleep last night!
@RL
I sent an email to NCP, they told me that they will be informed this week. so let's wait. if get any info you will hear about that, asap.
but this year everything is changed, because of that predictions are useless. just wait.
@tag-2010 Do you know if they are going to publish the preliminary rankings on the CORDIS website ?
I contacted my NCP yesterday (in Ireland). They said we would be contacted directly by the Commission (REA) regarding whether projects will be funded or not. Their time frame for us finding out would be 2-3 weeks after getting the information about being above/below threshold. For IEF this was issued on 18th Nov. So...I think we could find out anytime between now and 6/7 Dec. Any other info from anyone?
Correction: Just got another email. It will actually be posted on the Cordis website. The NCP in Ireland says not to expect anything for about 2 weeks. God. I don't think anyone knows anything!!!!
You mean they will post it on the Cordis website after 2 weeks ?
@Eric The Irish NCP is saying that the notification of funding/reserve lists will be posted on the Cordis website (as opposed to being emailed directly to applicants). And he is saying not to expect this to happen for about 2 weeks. I don't believe him though. Other NCPs in other countries are indicating this week is when we will know, and last year it seems that notification was released on 1st December. So...I think it could happen anytime from now on, to be honest.
OK, thanks !
someone should inform us, I can't work anymore :)
@tag-2010 I know exactly what you mean !
Hahaha. I am with both of you. I am getting repetitive strain injury from hitting refresh on this site, and on Cordis.
...the same for me!!! Happy to know that it's not "so strange" getting anxious for this waiting!
hi, guys, I am here too. Best wishes to all of us!
The UK NCP has said that they do not yet know the exact date as the proposals need to be ranked and the
money assigned to projects. Hopefully, this will be before Christmas, but they've heard that there is a possibility it may not be until the new year...
Actually, this is really my fear...
@LG how can you be so cruel!! I don't believe this either. I think the NCPs are trying to cover their backs as they don't really know. The REA said early December. In previous years it was in December, last year seemingly on 1st December, so I think we have no reason to think it won't be. The threshold lists were published earlier this year than other years, so I am hopeful of this week/next week
New Year!? Argh... Continuous reloading here too. ;-) And no real work getting done :-(
Noooooo... next year? it's impossible... I wan't believe!!!
I still hope that today will be the rigth day.
Good luck to everyone!
Hi guys, I am also waiting to see the final results. This is really killing me!! I got the feeling that they will be published really soon, not next year as somebody else mentioned. Good luck to everybody!!
Same compulsive refreshing here... I had a rough night, even a nightmare where I noticed my proposal had been ranked below threshold all this time and I hadn't realised!!
We should start betting on the publishing date:
I say Dec. 2 (just because things have been coming in on Thursdays, I think)
@RL I think you are right on the Thursday thing. Tomorrow could be a big day for us. What panel are you in?
@skymonkey IEF-PHY, how about you?
IEF-ENG. I don't think all the IxF programmes came out the same time. My friend was IOF-SOC and only got ESR on Monday, whereas IEF seem to have all been last Thurs
I wonder will the preliminary result publication be programme specific or will IOF, IEF, IIF etc all come out same day. Seems cruel if they stagger them!!
@skymonkey, Do you know the results of your friend in IOF-SOC?
IIF came out last Thursday as well.
Does anyone know if there is any attempt to distribute the fellowships between countries or institutions? Two of us applied from the same department, and we both have just over 90 and will probably be near the cut off. My worry is that if they want to spread out the fellowships, they may decide on only one from this department :(
@Damo. I am in the same situation. I think nothing is said in the guidelines about spreading between countries and/or institutions. In any case, if there is something like that, it should about the host institution, not the institution were you work now.
I think that now, only the evaluation scores count. Am I right?
@damo I don't think there is any attempt to do this. The cut-offs are set based on the number and quality of all applications. As they say, they start with the best and work backwards until the budget is gone. The score is all that counts, not where you are based.
@SOC I think my friend is out of the running for IOF. Cut-offs for last year were 91 or something
I got 90,9 in LIF IEF. I think it is 'sitting on fire' category also and I worry.. but will see..
@en 90,9 seems a good score to me. I'd be very hopeful! Having said that...it is hard not to be worried. Just publish the damn list already!
@en: 90,9 is very high!
@skymonkey
how is the situation in ENG panel. do you know anything about the rankings. How much you get, honestly i am desperate with %85. but we will see. I can be in B list may be.
@tag-2010 I honestly have zero clue. No idea at all! From what has been posted here ENG seems to have had lower cut offs than other panels, so fingers crossed for you!
@skymonkey: Yep, I got the same info from the NCP (Ireland)as well, 2 weeks is what I was told to expect.
Dear all,
I think we should write to the European Parliament to ensure more healthy information spreading. It is really a pain to wait for details and -obviously- it damages the productivity of Europes brightest minds! What the hell are they doing? They could finalize their evaluation secretly and present everything all in one!
@pete But...in the comments here, there is at least one person who contacted the Dutch NCP and was told that it would be this week. I don't think the NCPs have a proper idea but are guessing.
ok, it's official. I am going insane refreshing this page.
Anyone knows of a forum where people would post their scores?
The fact that there is so much speculation regarding the release date, even from numerous NCPs suggests to me that even they do not know. I am hopeful we will see something tomorrow or friday, but trying to temper my anticipation in the event they are not released this week.
I have let you all down in only consuming two beers the other evening in our honor, but they certainly relaxed me a bit. Might I recommend a few Hobgoblins to the rest of you to calm the nerves.
Me too. But its good to share!!
I bet they will publish the list on Dec 22. That's it. However if I had 90 or more I wouldn't be worried at all!! I'm anxious beacause I have less than that. I hope to get the EMBO scholarship!!
I agree with ASB. For IEF I wouldn't worry with 90 or more. But 88.8 in PHY-IEF is just too close to call... On the other hand, I can still understand that even people with more than 90 are worried until the real results come. I just don't understand how it can take so long...
On the other hand, people posting here must be skewed (or screwed!) towards people in our situation (83-90), The "Sitting On Fire" Club. People with much lower or higher scores know already their future for the next six months and I'm sure they are not posting here their results (at least poeple with very high scores). So don't be scared, about what you see posted here.
If one looks at the cut-off scores for IEF for 2008 and 2009 one can see that there is even a slight decrease of the cut-off score in some panels. An increase of 2 or 3 points is rare, and more in the range of lower cut-off scores 85.3 (2009) from 82.3 (2008) of IEF /ENG. Moreover there was an increase in the number of applicants in 2009. This year the expected success rate is lower (20% compared to 25% last year). So there will be probably an increase in the cut-off rate. I am not really sure if it will be that dramatic for the range of cut-off scores above 87(for 2009). I personally am trying to stay focused (a lot of work and students) and .. yes am refreshig this site every 15 mins + the CORDIS site :-).
THE RESULTS ARE SCHEDULED TO COME OUT NEXT WEEK, THE WEEK OF 6 DECEMBER.
@ Ki Sounds good - where did you get that info?
@RL I also had a nightmare last night - I dreamed that the cut-off was released and had increased to an astonishing 93 :(
I'm with all of you...I haven't been able to work properly because I'm just refreshing this and the cordis page :(
Best wishes to all and hope we hear soon!
We should go to http://hubpages.com/hub/EU-FP7-Marie-Curie-People- Anonimous, shouldn't we?
@ASB LOL :-) But now I really have to get some programming done...
@ASB
I did not get the point :) what u mean
You might find this useful:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/115
it is free and fully configurable :-)
Guys its written in official letter, they gonna support 504 of 2161 project. so percentage is not so small or what is your opinion, it is almost 24%.
hope never dies :)
@tag-2010
Compared to last year (575/1857) = 30 %, it's a big decrease ... and cut-offs scores will increase
I also thought around the 6th. Here's why. This site has an announcement about the above/below threshold announcement (the document is called PreliminaryResults.pdf under Attachments on the webpage, http://www.wbc-inco.net/object/news/76280.html. The announcement is dated 4th December 2009, which means that the above/below list was issued later last year than this year. (Right?). It also looks like, despite what the documents from last year say, that the final funding lists were published on 22nd December. Which leaves an 18 day gap between the two lists (22-4). (Right?). If we apply the same interval to this year, we received above/below notification on 18th November. Fast forward 18 days = 6th December. That was the date I had in my head originally, but based on some NCP comments I don't know anymore. I think it could be anytime from today on, to be honest.
This is the site I meant http://www.wbc-inco.net/object/news/76280.html
The decreased number of funded proposals is cause for concern. But I disagree that that requires the cut-off to increase much. Sure, that makes sense, but that assumes all other variables are constant and they are not. Evaluator tendencies should not be assumed to remain constant from year to year. In addition, it is likley that the number of proposals submitted each year will continue to increase whereas the funding may not. Does this mean the cut-off scores will also just keep trending up. I dont think they can, because I doubt many proposals are getting marks above 93-94. For sake of argument, a score of 94 requires a 4.7 average in each category (yes I know they are weighted a bit differently). I would be amazed if evaluators were routinely handing out multiple scores for each category at or above this number.
It is likley, as has been suggested, that the scores will probably just start bunching up closer. Then it would only take a small increase in the cut-off score to remove a bunch of proposals from contention. I have stopped trying to figure out what teh cut-off will be for my particular area and am just waiting impatiently for the darn results to be posted.
I would say the definitive results would be one day after last year (the 23 decmber), because in this doc :
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
they said that applicants received the ESR on November 24th, this year we received the 25th ...
However, successful applicant will probably receive letter next week
I would say the definitive results would be one day after last year (the 23 decmber), because in this doc :
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
they said that applicants received the ESR on November 24th, this year we received the 25th ...
However, successful applicant will probably receive letter next week
@reddog
Here are some speculations:
In the guidelines for for referees, it says about 10% of applicants get 4.7.
In IOF, the percentage of funded projects dropped by 5% every year, because of an increase in application but not in budget (25%, 20%, 15% this year). So, following the same trend, it could be 10% of funded project next year, and a cutoff around 94....
This year the cutoff should thus be somewhere between what it was last year and 94...
In any case, referees are instructed about the expected distribution of their evaluations. so this criteria should remain the same. It follows that when the number of applications increase, the cutoff value increases as well, but in what amount remains a mistery...
@SOC Cut-off of 94% seems insane to me. For IEF it is expected that 23% will be funded. Honestly, I find it incredible to think that the top 23% of applicant's could possibly score 94%+. Not even Marie Curie herself would be capable of getting one of these fellowships if that were the case, I am sure.
94% is a high estimation for a year where only 15% of applicants would be funded (would be next year for IOF, if the budget does not increase, and the number of applicants keeps increasing)
From the 2000 evaulators guide:
The score distribution of each expert should normally be as follows:
· Proposals of exceptionally high quality (>90): no more than 5% of all proposals marked
· Proposals of very high quality (80-89): no more than 10% of all proposals marked
· Proposals of high quality (70-79): no more than 20% of all proposals marked
If that is indeed the case, then the suggested numbers do not jive with the cut-off scores or the % funded. Perhaps the evaluators do not exactly follow the guidelines or the guidelines have changed since 2000.
2000 was a different programme, fp5 or fp6. Now we are applying to fp7...
I know and the grading was a bit different, but I cannot find a more recent guide for evaluators. So, if this one holds any relvance to this year, the numbers do not make sense.
Has anyone found a more recent evaluators guide online or know someone that has one? Would be good to see what it says
Perhaps IOF is different. The cut-off for IOF-SOC was 91 last year, which seems really, really high. The other panels, particularly IEF ones have much lower cut-offs. God, I am sick of trying to figure out what the cut-off might be. Just publish the list!!
@reddog
I do not think they follow the 2000 guide. In all three programs(IOF-IIF-IEF) the % of proposals above 70 are about %60-%70.
Of course, with a score of 86 at hand, I wish they followed this!!
@reddog If this were the case only 20% of the proposal would pass the 70% threshold, which is clearly not the case.
These guidelines however indicate that there was some normalization in the way proposals are graded, and if it is probable that this is the case for the new guidelines. An indication is that fewer proposals (in proportion) passed 70% this year.
Current guide for evaluators as of 2009:
The cutoff last year were higher for iof than ief, cause 20% of projects were funded for iof and 25% for ief. As the number of funded projects does not vary, there is a direct relation between the percentage of funded projects and the cutoff score.
@skymonkey I think you are right, 91 seems really high.
I think it could even decrease this year :)
In my opinion, it is very likely that as the number of applicants increases, and the evaluators get better at being objective and following the guidelines properly year by year, all the cut-offs for all disciplines and calls should become homogeneous.
Just because people mention the 2011 calls here already. Funding is expected to increase for the 2011 calls.
IEF --> 110 Mio €
IOF --> 40 Mio €
IIF --> 40 Mio €
http://www.humboldt-foundation.de/nks/bewerbungsau
Good luck!
@2011, thanks for the info, that's really encouraging!
More proposals will be funded next year :D
@RC But if the current situation continues, there will be even more applicants next year... No, I am not a pessimist. ;-)
Considering IEF in total, reviewers where somewhat stricter than the year before (24.26% were cut this year instead of 22.56% in 2009). However, this trend is not followed in all the panels. Can someone check? I have already checked the ENG and in this year seems that it was much easy to pass the 70% threshold. Bad for the ENGs good for the rest...
@YY
for the IEF/ENV, it is close between the two years, i.e. 24-25 % were cut last year and this year
thanks. In the guidline it says it woudl be exceptional if more than 10% scored above 4.7 or below 2. More than half might score between 4 and 4.7 (80-94). They state that if the average lies somewhere around 80% they would be all marking to same standard. So I guess they are trying to get them to be diligent on uniform scoring.
@YY
In IEF/PHY last year 23.8% cut, this year 20.6% :-(
@FR thanks for this info you should be Ok this year !
Any other exemple this year of resubmitted proposal with increasing total score ??? THANKS :)
@HK, true! But also an increase of 15 millions is huge :)
Hi! The difference between almost excellent and very good is philosophic. So, just very excellent, i.e. close to 5 can be clearly determined. However, I am afraid that such peaple have no mobility chances if really exit in moder world. Whats about statistics of previous years on the highest scores close to 100?
Like I said before I scored 88.4 in CHE/IOF panel.
In the same letter it was mentioned that only 120 out of the 583 proposals (that made over the treshold) will be funded.
I have only reasons to believe that, as the number of proposals has increased this call, the threshold for sucessfull aplications will follow the same path...
In conclusion: good luck for everyone, but I think I'm out.
Hi, gays, again. I do not think that Cordis commission use direct evaluation scores. Since although it looks like an entropy it seems it is not good when 1) this entropy is over 70% threshold for 70 % of applicants; 2) such entropy should take into account applicants from different countries and Institutions because looks on the last years results, all thresholds different for different sections and it means that they already do not use direct rating, i.e. excellent life scientist equal s to good engineer.
Even it is not an enthropy but moving to one direction. For instance if you want to investigate just something sunny to be happy - it is always excellent whereas any dangerous things will be out of attention? Do not make me laugh.
guys, i'm dead. i won't check anymore any website. just wait for the results. i can't work like this. i hope all we will get what we like to have.
now its time to drink a beer, :). cheers
@tag-2010 I know what you mean... I tried not checking the site anymore, but here I am. Of course you HAVE to check the site tomorrow, in case someone has found the statistics for 2007, which seem to be the holy grial at the moment.
@RC I ran into my boss today, not very happy with my weekly progress...
Good luck! (with getting back to work)
@RL Same here, can't work :( This is becoming addictive and has increased my options for procrastination! I might even miss you all when the results are finally published, hehe.
Me too. I am somewhere with no internet and I spent ages finding a weak signal so I could check this site again!! Curse you REA!
EMBO LTF results are online ... might be interesting for some of you, I guess. Again, good luck!
At least I got the EMBO!! In
MC I have 84.2
@2011
THANK YOU!!!!
I got EMBO!!! I'm not so on fire now!!!!
Hi all, just found you with all the posts. It feels good not to be alone in this situation. I got 85.9 on IIF/ENG. Waiting to see my future...What is taking so long...Good luck to everyone!
good luck to all of us!
Guys, I am not quite sure that during the ranking they consider the score only. I think there are other considerations such as "Commission's own assesment" whatever that means, accordance with the work program, maybe industrial partner participation. Maybe that is why they are not so eager to publish rankings and cut-off scores. Also they take under advisement the reviewrs comments. For example I have very good comments, but my score is below 90. Which means probably that that score is not bad ?
@Eric the same here. My comments were very positive, only couple of negative points (mainly quite minor). And I think my score was just below yours in IEF-PHY. So, I indeed think/hope that it means that the score is still good enough. But maybe everyone is just brilliant this year. Which we of course are. :-)
@HK and @Eric I don't understand what you mean when you say that. Do you mean that the scores we received in the ESR aren't final? And that there is some other factor we are unaware of that is being taken into account as they formulate the ranking lists? Do you mean that someone with a lower score in the ESR could outrank someone with a higher score? That seems strange to me.
@skymonkey What I mean is this. If you have to applicants and one has say 88.7, the other one has 88.5 (+industrial partener, which is missing for the first one) the commission might favor the second project. But I think this would apply to relatively small differences in the scores. If you read carefully there evaluation procedures, AFTER the evaluations by the reviewrs they rank the projects, and the commission has it's own considerations (besides the scores). But again I read somewhere that "as a general rule the commisson follows the rankings prepared by the reviewrs".
@skymonkey I was just stating that my comments were surprisingly positive for a score less than 90, but maybe that is normal. I have no clue how they do the final ranking, and I expected it be based on these scores. But after Eric's post I started to wonder about it... Still, I think/hope that it is just the score and not politics.
@Eric. Thanks! So, politics is indeed involved. :-( That at least explains why it takes this long...
Ok, that seems possible, but as you say I think it would only happen in cases where there is a very small difference between scores. Otherwise it seems terribly unfair! I just found this general graphic about the evaluation process. It's not specific to MC but for the FP7 generally I think. http://eu.tuebingen.mpg.de/application-procedure/e
What bothers me that I have very good comments and only 88.9 points. How should I understand this ?
I don't know. My friend got very positive comments and only scored 81.6. I would focus on the score rather than the comments at this stage though.
The longest December ever... :-)
@Eric, In addition, they have also to take into consideration the conclusion of the Ethical Issues Report for many reports, it can take a lot of time
@nano I undestand. Not nice.
Help me!!! someone can tell me how can I work on a paper or prepare a talk during this never-ending waiting?!?
Guys, it's impossible to work and to do any other stuff than wait and refresh the MC website... inside me I know that probably we should wait until next week, but I cannot stop myself to refresh the site.
However, I would thanks you all because refreshing this site give me some small psycological help, and at least something new appears when refreshing it.
Thanks to make the waiting a little bit more torelable :-)
@C, you almost made me cry!
Does anyone have any idea when are these results due ?
I did literally nothing yesterday except refresh this site. Today can't go down the same hole! @C yes, this site is psychologically comforting. At least we know we are in this together! I just wish we knew some more information. If they gave us a concrete date it would be fine. Right now we are like Skinner's rat, hitting the button in the hope a treat might pop out.
I mean really DUE :-)
ok...thank you guys: just reading your posts it's making me smile :-)
Yes, this is what we need, smile in face off this stupid waiting. I would just have the possibility to let them know how cruel this waiting is...in my opinion, I had preferred to know everything all togheter, even later on. To give us the scores and not the graduatory or a sure date for the outcome it's simply cruel. And I don't know about you, but I'm becoming crazy and the other people surronding me in the lab seems to not understand what it means for me. It will change a lot in my life. I need to know ASAP, in any case.
I think that one reason for not giving definite answers at this stage is that people might use the redress procedure to ask for a re-evaluation.
Still, I agree that a more definite date could be provided, and that results from past years should be easily available under the package call, at least to give a guidance as to where we are standing.
Hi guys, I wouls thank all of you for making me all this terrible waiting time better. I will wo on holidays for a week next saturday and I guess my wife is going to kill me because I will be insane going to places with wifi to could take a look to this page. The good point is that I will go to NY then, there I will have some time "free" of comment when you would be sleeping.
Good luck to everyone. If I don't get the job I think I will start considering selling parts of my body I don't need!
This reminds me of the wait 4 years ago. Then I had applied for a prestigious fellowship and I knew I was high up on their list because they interviewed me. But those 1-2 weeks after the interview were simply horrible, waiting for the answer. That time I was lucky and got a nice Christmas present. I hope this year turns out the same way, but I am not too hopeful.
I strongly agree with C. Just tell us everything together and say that you will do it on December 22 (tobe safe that they can do it before that). We will then wait patiently (or at least more or less patiently ;-). This giving hints drives me crazy.
this really has turned into a nice forum :)
Cheers!
A question arose to my mind: "is this waiting worth it?", but all of us know that it is...
nice forum :-) ... just contacted German NCP and asked besides others when to expect the ranking ... they don't know but expect it to be published mid of December
@bucf Crap. Not what we want to hear. This tallies with what the Irish NCP said, but is at odds with what the Dutch (I think) one said, who was expecting them this week. Ok, I am limiting myself to ONE refresh of this page and the Cordis website per hour. One. See you at 12.21!
good idea... one refresh each hour!
guys why not we are exchanging the emails that we can keep the connection for a long time, because here we organized a good team. international scientist from every different nation, topic maybe continent.
not here of course, we can organize a small closed forum or lets organize a facebook page, closed :)
Maybe we'll all meet in the Marie Curie Fellows Association http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie_Fellows_A
...
@RL There is still another good reason not to give all the results now. Before they can tell exactely how many application are accepted, they need to calculate the cost of each fellowship, since they can be very different depending on many factors (ie. number of months, lab based or not, host country). So I think they have to start with the first in class, calculate the cost of the fellowship, and so on, till all the budget is used. I think this will take a while...
@Faith I think I could do it with a spreadsheet and a cup of coffee in the few hours. Maybe they should hire me to sort them ;)
I vote for a facebook page. :-)
Firstly, I broke my own "once an hour" rule. I checked twice already. @Faith This is probably a good point. But.....I still hold out some hope that we might hear something sooner rather than later. I am of the same opinion as others here though. It would be much better if the REA came out and said "You won't hear anything before xth December" or whatever. The not knowing if it will be today, next week, the 22nd or whenever, is simply torture. I would deal with everything better if I knew a concrete date.
@Damo They took 3.5 months to give the scores, so...
I agree with you all guys, defenitely better if they would have sent the scores and results at the same time!
They do have a rough estimate of the number of the projects that will get funding (504) so they can release a preliminary result based on that and saying that the number is likely to increase. They also could release the ranking so that everyone knows how far in the waiting list they are...
I bet there are some REA people peeping at this forum and laughing right now!
Ok, lets refresh only once a minute. ;)
No one from IEF ECO panel? My score is 84,7.
I love this forum :)
Hah! This forum is really brilliant!-) However, another thing that I'm curious about is the gender.
I really would like to know who is more nervous, who of the posters here are male or female??
(I am male;-)
Well I am a male too, as nervous as hell !
Spare a though for poor old rider_tiger: I bet he never thought his helpful page would become a clearing house for Marie-Curie-themed-anxiety. I can see him now, crouched over his keyboard in frustration, as he gets yet another email alert that one of us have posted a message on his page ;-)
We acknowledge receipt of your message and thank you for your interest in European Union (EU) funding for researchers and Marie Curie Intra-European Fellowships for Career Development (IEF) in particular.
In response to your enquiry we would like to inform you that preliminary results (ranking of proposals in A,B,C,D categories) for the call for proposal FP7-PEOPLE-2010-IEF will be published on the "Participant Portal" of the Directorate-General for Research of the European Commission before the end of the year:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/a
In order to access the call page, please click on tab ???Closed??? and then link ???FP7-PEOPLE-2010-IEF???.
Finally, we would like to inform you that the Network of National Contact Points (NCP) provides help on all aspects of FP7 in the national language. For contact details, please consult the following URL:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ncp_en.html
We hope this information will be helpful to you.
Kind regards,
EUROPE DIRECT Contact Centre/ Research Enquiry Service
@eric, thanks for sharing news, unfortunately, it seems that we have to wait ...
good luck to everyone
Yep ! The "good" part is that we don't know for how long we have to wait.
so who will organize the facebook page.
i think its good for us to keep that network.
I'll miss that place
..."before the end of the year".. nothing and everything! arg!
Hello everybody. joined back after a two day break.
@Lodore - your comments on rider_tiger made me laugh for the first time in last 3-4 days !
Before the end of the years. Cheers Cordis. Most helpful and re-assuring :-)
"Before the end of the year".
:-(
Should we move to that site? (so rider_tiger will be happy?)
I don't know! Either work fine I think. Just if people want to :-)
we would be more relax and also we can share contact info there. i think it is a good idea.
let leave the rider_tiger in peace :)
@chem
most of us must be "Sheldons" and a few Leslie Winkles. he he
@Lodore
rider_tiger must be proud
My NCP doesn't know any estimated date of release for the results.
@Lodore, You made me laught about rider_tiger, hehe
@ASB, I agree that he must be proud, I think his page has turned out to be more helpful than he had anticipated.
Gentlemen! We are a privileged lot. This page is destined to become the holy grail for future generations of anxious MC applicants.
@abhi Agree! But, what about Ladies and Gentlemen? or just friends, doctors? :P
@RC, Thanks for the corrections !. On second thoughts "dear proposal coordinators" would also fit the bill !
My NCP informed me that the final REA answer usually does not take long following the initial evaluation results, however, they have no idea as to when that will be or as to how the applicants have generally scored.
Im wondering how many projects raise ethical issues and how these will be evaluated. I havent heard anything on this- maybe this is what is also being done now.
It seems to me that most of you are from Europe. Different time zone than mine. I missed you all yesterday afternoon, as you were sleeping. It's not only waiting that kills me, but the whole planning thing. If I get it, I am moving with my 5 member family from Canada to Europe, if I don't get it - we will be eating this green Canadian grass for supper every day, he, he...
Hey, let us know if you open that Facebook page...
@T
My information is, that the ethical issues are only discussed and only need to be approved when the negotiation procedure is starting. This makes also sense, because it would be a loss of time to do this when the proposal is even not accepted.
@JJ
we migh be on the same time zone, wich part of Canada?
@ ASB
Vancouver. UBC. Are you applying for IIF?
yes, I am applying for IIF. I'm not at your same GMT though. I'm in Buenos Aires, almost at the opposite corner of the continent! he he
@JJ
88.1 on the LIF panel. We're in the same situation: above 2008 cut-off but below 2009. ON FIRE!
Regardless to waht others are calculating and trying to guess, I think it all depends on the scores of other proposals in each panel. You could be the best score and the cut-off could be much lower, but also, you could be much below the best one, and below the cut-off. That is why I am not guessing, but rather waiting (not so patiently any more) and hoping that others were as bad as mine, he, he...one less day to go...
A couple of thoughts which will only be of interest to you, if you belong to the LIF/IEF group:
In 2009 there were 769 applications in the LIF category (excluding ineligibles), 631 were above the threshold (cut-off: 87.2).
In 2010 there were 876 LIF-applications (excluding ineligibles), 684 were above the threshold.
This means:
2009: 631/771 = 82.3% passed threshold
2010: 684/876 = 78.1% passed threshold
The total budget is exactly the same for 2009 and 2010.
Assuming that the distributions of scores is similar, I would draw two conlusions:
1. The grading has been stricter this year
2. The final cut-off will still increase above 87.2, because the stricter grading does not suffice to compensate the increase in the number of applications (8%).
However, for some of you this might still be good news, because the increase in the cut-off won't be as drastic as you expected.
At least, what I can say for sure is that for you there is one competitor less (I am below the cut-off from last year).
@ASB
Can you tell me where I you saw the results of 2008 and 2009? I saw the ones from 2010 (posted beofre) and if the thing stays the same, I'm out with 88.4 in CHE/IOF.
Hi guys, I took care of the nightwatch. No news yet. Now I'm goint to bed, take care! :)
I was the first who put the question on the "winnig scores" 5 months ago... -:) That was the most interesting issue which accelarated the rating of this forum... We should achieve more open policies from them...
http://alturl.com/h6sjp Good luck!!!
ASB 16 hours ago
@JJ
88.1 on the LIF panel. We're in the same situation: above 2008 cut-off but below 2009. ON FIRE!
JJ 15 hours ago
Regardless to waht others are calculating and trying to guess, I think it all depends on the scores of other proposals in each panel. You could be the best score and the cut-off could be much lower, but also, you could be much below the best one, and below the cut-off. That is why I am not guessing, but rather waiting (not so patiently any more) and hoping that others were as bad as mine, he, he...one less day to go...
JPT 13 hours ago
@ASB
Can you tell me where I you saw the results of 2008 and 2009? I saw the ones from 2010 (posted beofre) and if the thing stays the same, I'm out with 88.4 in CHE/IOF.
dv 89 minutes ago
Hi guys, I took care of the nightwatch. No news yet. Now I'm goint to bed, take care! :)
AH 2 minutes ago
I was the first who put the question on the "winnig scores" 5 months ago... -:) That was the most interesting issue which accelarated the rating of this forum... We should achieve more open policies from them...
http://alturl.com/h6sjp Good luck!!!
ASB 16 hours ago
@JJ
88.1 on the LIF panel. We're in the same situation: above 2008 cut-off but below 2009. ON FIRE!
JJ 15 hours ago
Regardless to waht others are calculating and trying to guess, I think it all depends on the scores of other proposals in each panel. You could be the best score and the cut-off could be much lower, but also, you could be much below the best one, and below the cut-off. That is why I am not guessing, but rather waiting (not so patiently any more) and hoping that others were as bad as mine, he, he...one less day to go...
JPT 13 hours ago
@ASB
Can you tell me where I you saw the results of 2008 and 2009? I saw the ones from 2010 (posted beofre) and if the thing stays the same, I'm out with 88.4 in CHE/IOF.
dv 89 minutes ago
Hi guys, I took care of the nightwatch. No news yet. Now I'm goint to bed, take care! :)
AH 2 minutes ago
I was the first who put the question on the "winnig scores" 5 months ago... -:) That was the most interesting issue which accelarated the rating of this forum... We should achieve more open policies from them...
Be careful of the link in the previous comment.
alturl . com does not seem to be a very trustfully site.
Interesting. I just read that the budget is 28 million plus of minus 10%. I've also been told by a professor here that they can and do shift money between panels or calls depending on the number and quality of proposals. That said, I don't know what he bases that on, so it may just be his assumption as to how things work. Here's hoping the shift another couple of mil into IOF/LIF ;)
yes, I still check this site way too frequently and now also the google group. What the professor said (shifting funds) seems correct based on one of the linked evaluator documents on this thread (and some other related document I recall reading at some point).
@loth I concur that the weblink and post seem suspicious.
Maybe it is not really the topic but I wonder if anyone knows if there is a reserve list on EMBO long term fellowship?
I m waiting as you guys for Marie Curie, but with a score of 78, I have no more hope... maybe in B group, if there is a miracle.
Good luck for all!!
And thanks for this topic, it s good to not feel alone!
@Isabelle: I am afraid there is no reserve list for EMBO, because the number of applicants (only Life Sciences) and the number of funded projects is much smaller than for Marie Curie, so there aren't many cancellations. However, if you are in the LIF category, I wouldn't give up hope with 78 - it's still better than some of the cut-offs for previous years (and as far as I know, the cut-offs only apply to the A group).
Hey guys,
I was brave and sent an e-mail to the Research Enquiry Service, asking them for the date of the results release. I don't know if they will answer, but if they do, I will inform you all.
Cheers!
I already did. The said "by the end of the year".
Hmmm... I asked for a more precise date, but their answer will probably be the same...Anyways, let's wait...
Greetings. I got an 82 in IOF-ENV, well under the cutoff range. But I wanted to ask a few questions anyway. I did ok in the science, researcher, and impact sections, but lost points in the training and implementation sections, and I have no idea why. I put lots of genuine training activities in and I thoroughly explained how the project would be implemented. All of the comments were super vague, so it will be difficult to make specific improvements if I resubmit. One comment in particular was that the proposal lacked a risk management section. Here is my question: did those of you who scored well have helpful advice from others in your home university for these sections? I'm from Slovenia, and we have little in the way of resources for marie curie proposals. Second question...how many of you resubmitted previously rejected proposals, and if so, did your scores increase? Only one person mentioned this in this posting, but it would be really useful information for those of us who plan to resubmit. Thanks....
I re-submitted IEF MAT and improved from 77 to 87,5. We introduced many more subsections and added more redundance... We basically took all comments from the first review into account. Still, it's on the edge. Last year the cut-off in MAT was ~83... so this year? ... Good luck anyway!
Hi Tan, there's a google group (see above) where people are posting comments now, perhaps it would be good to post your comment there. It's bad news you had vague comments on your application. Perhaps those that will get positive answers might give you some feedback when final results arrive.
hi
any body please discuss on the significance of the Implementation section in IEF or IIF or IOF. as this section is given a note as SELECTION section during ranking or final funding.
Hi mpr, would you please elaborate, what do you mean that this section is given a note as a selection section. Where is that note ?
hi
any body please discuss on the significance of the Implementation section in IEF or IIF or IOF. as this section is given a note as SELECTION section during ranking or final funding.
also please give your discussion, for my openion..'i hope during the final slection of projects, the DG REA may select the projects who got maximum scores out of 5, then they may consider the scores of award sections score, once after they filtered the best scored proposals from Implementation section. As i hope the implementation of the project fails means giving funding to that type of projects is in vain. So in this context please give your comments and argument.
If it is a selection section why would it have 0.15 contribution to the total score ?
If you observe the evaluation criteria table in guidelines for applicants or the ESR sheets we recently got for our proposals, there is mentioned in parenthesis in each section of the 5 sections like, 1.Science (award) 2. training (award) 3.Researcher (award) 4. Implementation (selection) and final 5. Impact (award)
In this above contest i hope we have to re think regarding the REA ranking announcements for proposals, as per the above discussions from other colleagues, they are saying getting the maximum score will get first rank
Did you find abything in the guidlines for evaluation ?
I think "award" means you are getting funded.
as i remember, the EC has all the rights, in selecting the projects for funding, which it fells very significant and useful and also taking in to account mainly the scores achieved against each sections (1 to 5 as i discussed before) of the proposal for maximum 5, among all the projects crossed above threshold (i.e., 70).
But this is all just my assumption that i got, seeing the selection option note in parenthesis against Implementation section and some writing contexts in guidelines.
Hi Eric, you are right, but i am not getting the mean of Selection in the point of EC view, mentioned against the Implementation section.
hi Eric, actually i got my score in between 70 and 80 (i know it is very less compared to other colleagues written comments in this page, and that is why i felt shy to express my score) and crossed all the threshold against the independent sections with highest scores in Researcher and Implementation sections and remaining average.
As I am a positive minded person, i am looking forward with a little hope by analyzing in all angles (how the EC will rank the proposals)and how my proposal will be treated by EC.
Thanks for participation in discussion.
Hi mpr,
There is some reason in what you are saying about the importance of the sections. I couldn't find any soecific rule about this in the guidelines for evaluators or applicants. I think "award" is the final step - ranking A, B, C, D. I understand you being anxious - I think we are all on edge. The good news is that if we fail, we can resubmitt. There is a strong indication that after addressing the reviewr's comments one can increase the score. But if course we all hope to succeed this time, so -good kluck to us all.
@Tan: last year I had your same problem. Very vague and subjective comments by the reviewers especially in impact and implementation. They also asked me about the risk management, which by the way, is not even cited in the guide for proposers, so I did not think it was needed. This is the way they use to bring down the score of a proposal. They use the sections that are more subjective and where you have very small space to explain your project (I think that impact was only 2 pages). Anyway, I got very frustrating and subjective comments and I felt like they were very unfair.
I tried to redress because some comments were completely inconsistent, but I had not luck. So, I think it is useless to redress.
This year I resubmitted taking in consideration all the points raised by the referees and I inceased my score from 82.5 to 90.3.
With regards to the "award" and "selection" issue. I do not know what is the meaning of these words. However, it is very clear in the guide that each section has different priority. So, in case of ex-aequo, the proposal with the highest score in the highest priority section wins. In our case "researcher" section is n 1 priority then we have training and ST quality.
So if two projects have the same score but only one can get funded, the one with the highest score in "researcher" wins,
hope this helps,
bye
last year (2009) i got a 82.5 at IEF - LIF. this year i resubmitted and got a 91.6 (hopefully thsi will get me a deal!).
I have some general comments.Some comments are bizzare. this year they say that the proposal is high impact yet i get only a 4.5. in the training section everything is excellent with only good comments yet i got a 4.6...
I am suspicious the scores sometimes are arbitrary.
Lastly and very important they need to see a very good research plan with delivarables and milestones. I improve that section thsi year and the proposal was significantly improved ( both in score and structuring)
I hope this helps!
Thank you all for your comments...they are very encouraging. I will certainly try to improve the proposal and resubmit in 2011.
Do any of you know how resubmitted proposals are handled in the evaluation stage? If I recall, you need to specify in the A section if the proposal was previously submitted. Does this mean that it's treated differently, or perhaps they compare it to the old version.....?
Thanks
@FR Also got 90.3, in IEF, comments were not very concise as well. In some sections comments were all positive, still I got 4.5 or 4.6. How about you? which call did you apply to?
Hi guys ! I applied for CAR panel and I got 82.5. I have no clue about the chance of funding, as CAR is a new panel. Does someone have an idea?
@selot is : I think the rank for CAR was already there? What is your position in the list?
hi goodluck
you are wrong, there is no announcement regarding the rank list in updated result document. It is only added another panel to before one for CAR, saying above or below threshold.
Yes mpr is right. There is only above and below list :(
Yes mpr is right. There is only above and below list :(
:-) Another long week ahead
I think goodluck is right. The results of the CAR panel are not sorted by proposal number.
I m?ssed that point about CAR panel. The results are not l?sted accord?ng to number, but does it mean it is the ranking list???
Mine is 32, there are 106 projects.??
I missed that point. The CAR panel is not listed according to the proposal numbers, but does it mean ranking list??? Mine is 32 of 109 projects. I dont know how much budget for CAR panel? The number of submitted projects is 109 for CAR and the eligible number is 76.
@selot
the total number that are going to be funded this year is about 23.3% of the total eligible proposal. Therefore, the number of proposal that are going to be funded in CAR panel is approximately 76*0.233=17.7 (17-18 proposals).
I asked the NCP of my country, the CAR panel list is not the ranking list!!!
If he could tell the date for the ranking list, this would be great !
is there any chance by hook or crook if any individual criterion value is below its individual threshold but the overall threshold is higher??
seems for this year I lost it...
I just received this from an email inquiry I sent last week.
"Thank you for your query, which has been passed to us here at the
Marie Curie helpdesk. These results are normally posted towards mid-
late December and this is still the aim; however, we have been
informed that they may not be available until the New Year. I'm afraid
that we cannot offer you a more precise answer than that at the
moment."
This was from someone at UK national Contact Point for FP Marie Curie
Actions
So, it seems as if no one has any definitive time frame, but several
people (including the call document) suggested mid-late December and
this seems to confirm that time frame at the earliest. It is a
downer, but perhaps now I wont check the darn website so often.
(also posted to this to google groups page)
Hi MCP
Could you please say your total score and which section you got less score than threshold. As there is sections no threshold...
MCP, if you score below the threshold in a particular section I think the application won't be considered unfortunately :-(
Hi, I scored 89.70 on IIF, PHY panel. What are the chances to get this? Good luck to everybody!
I'm gonna give you about 75% chance on that score. Well done... almost...
Hi mpr, I have scored 80.20 and I have missed by 0.30 in the 'RESEARCHER' criterion. IEF PHY panel. Good luck to all of you. Help me next time :-)..anybody from this panel?
Hi MCP, sorry to hear that you missed 0.3 points. I am from the same panel and feeling the heat :-).
I am also in the same panel with 87.0 and when I saw the comments there were 1-2 that could be addressed in 1 sentence... I know I will miss the cut-off by 1% and be really frustrated :-(
Hi there,
I am really happy to have to have found this "Wailing Wall". I came late into the discussion but I will to add my info on some of the issues mentioned:
-Score 90.3 IEF/LIF. I was mildly happy about this score, but I have now seen a lot of people with better scores posting here.
-Last year I got 82 with the same project. I have since started working in host and the fact that I have worked in the field seemed to have favoured my application (I am moving between two fields of research). I have addressed the issues raised last year, but the improvement was mostly due to now having the PhD (I was in the process of obtaining it last year and that *really* influenced negatively my score).
So yes, I am sitting on fire.
@krespim your "PhD" definitely made the difference as I haven't seen many in the "obtaining" category get this grant
@CS: at the time, I took the guidelines seriously when they mention that one with >4y experience could apply. Having >6y and being close to having my PhD examination I naively thought that I had shot. Well, may this serve as a cautionary tale to others.
Speaking of others: good luck to all of you out there.
any body has any idea regarding, any proposals with score between 70 to 80 got funding in previous years in any panel?
hi sss
i do not have any idea. But every chance is there to get funded, as EC final selecting committee think that the applicant and his mobility and some important sections scores are good,and the host institution handling administration experience and genuine are good. Then those proposal may get funded. Overall i think, the proposal score is not only criteria in selecting the funding sanctions and announcing the ranks.
@sss
yes! I know people that got fund with 75% and 84% last year. EU has to fund all nations as Oxford and Cambridge cannot be compared with other institutions in Romania, Greece, Portugal ect. Otherwise only top class institutions would be funded....
Hi everybody!
My score in IIF ENG panel is 81.9. Most probably, I am out in this year, but who knows...
By the way, I have seen only one post from Jasna with IIF ENG score on this page. Does it mean that all others are shy to publish their scores?
The interesting thing is that how the Commission prepares the so-called "Commission Ranked List" is essentially a black box, or at least less clear than the evaluation by the experts.
Regarding the post by SG, I don't understand, the cut-off scores don't exist at all? The claimed cut-offs have no absolute meaning? Are you sure that the people you know are awarded below the claimed cut-offs?
I am also interested in unserstanding what AH asked. What is the meaning of cut-off score if the ranking is not based on the score? Please can someone confirm what SG is saying? This is very important, I guess, because it means that the score is not that important afterall
Some quotes: "As a general rule, the Commission follows the priority order of proposals suggested by the
experts. In exceptional cases, duly justified and authorised at an appropriate level, a proposal
may be placed in a different order than the one suggested by experts. The reasons for arriving
at the order are set out."
"The responsible department draws up the final list of proposals for possible funding from
those that passed the evaluation thresholds, on the basis of the results of the evaluation by
experts. Due account is taken of the scores received and of any advice from the experts. It will
also take account of the available budget, the strategic objectives of the programme, the
community policies, as well as the overall balance of proposals to be funded."
"Following this internal consultation, the final Commission ranked list and negotiation
mandates are established. If the consultation reveals that very similar work is already funded
elsewhere, or if a proposal would result in work that is manifestly contrary to established
Community policies, it is possible that a project that had originally been put forward for
funding by the responsible department does not appear on the final Commission ranked list."
@ Eric, so it seems final score is not determinant to be funded but quite orientative.
This is some hope for my "around 80" score (hello I'm one of the shy people).
Hi Shy,
I think that as a rule they follow the ranking given by the evaluators. If they do not, they explain very carefully why the ranking list is rearranged. Of course I am not sure, but I think that such a change in the priorites list is more like an exception than a rule, and my guess is that it would apply in greater degree to scores around 90.
Shy, but the meaning of the cut-off is that no project can be funded below that number and at the same time all the above projects are subject to funding in exception of those that are moved by the Commision... otherwise no sense to speak of that kind of concepts.
In fact so far I have not seen a single official document published BY THE COMMISSION which gives information on the cut-off scores from previous years.
If comission does not publish any ranking list with scores, and Cordis let you know its decission by personal e-mail, how can anybody knows previous years cut-offs?
We have them from a presentation of the MC program. Where the presenter has them from - I don't know. And I am not saying that the Commission does not publish such results - I am simply saying that I have bot seen such a document.
of course this is just a speculation waiting the real results. Do any one think that big countries like German, French and so on will not obtain a number of funded application proportional to the money they put in the EU?
I do not think so, probably they have to manage also the "political" part. I repeat, that's just a speculation. But I don't think that 500 spain researchers (example) could win the IEF in england even if they have the highest score in all the panels.
While I was pretty stoked with my results 82 IEF/LIF I realise now that I don't have a chance.. good thing I applied for another job and got it! Good Luck to all of you
Hi Eric...I wish you all the best wishes..i really hope u get it this time..at least one candidate will be less for the next year application :-)
u must give me tips to make my proposal better next time.
hi everybody, already this end of 7th Dec. Any body has idea regarding announcement of Ranked list?
A preliminary estimation of cut-off scores has appeared in the spanish webpage:
http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
Although not official, it could be a more serious guess.
@Krespim. I have finished my PhD in July this year and presently doing a postdoc but my graduation ceremony will only be in march next year.Do you think that will be a problem as I dont have the official certification as of now.
@Peter
I do not think so. The University should be able to supply them with some kind of certificate proving that you have finished your PhD studies. I am not even sure if the EU actually requests for such documentation before the contracts are signed.
My case was different as at the time of the application my PhD studies were not completed yet.
@SP
Arg ! If this estimate is accurate, I m out :(
Last year, IEF ENV cut-off was 86.9 > It would have increased to 89.4 ?
@ SP
Interesting, thanks for the link. There is actually at the bottom of the page a link to the slides of a presentation which seems to originate from the REA and which shows a pretty final picture of the evaluation.
Hi SP
Finally, the game is going to end from this high competition of less budget and more candidates. More colleagues now feel relax and take further steps.
Yes, click on that link and the page will show percent rates of success and the female/male distribution. Only 15 proposals were funded in IIF-ENV and 6 were female. Given that I am male, I have only a 1 in 9 shot of getting it and my score was right at last years cut-off. Fire no more, I am ashes.
best of luck to the rest of you.
:( :( :( :(
document looks official and they have to say preliminary to cover their rear ends. I cant imagine they would put this up and have the numbers be that much different than reality. Increase in cutoff makes sense given the increase in proposals that cleared the first threshold. I was holding out hope the reviewers were more strict this time (so scores would not have to increase substantially for success) but it appears I am wrong.
At least now I can try not to click on the cordis page so often.
This document is really depressing: overall Success rate dropped to 17,80% (24% in 2009)!!
My only hope is that preliminary estimation of cut-off scores are wrong (how these estimations were done ?)
R1, it says that the estimates are conservative. However, from the slides it appears that the overall success rate has decreased for all panels.
How can they do something like that ??? This is more than unprofessional. According to this chart I was awarded, but I just do not trust them :(((
:-(
Although I am above threshold I am keeping my cool, as I would if I was slightly bellow. Those numbers are not yet official.
To do their estimates, they used the same sucess rate (17.8) for all pannels even if the increase of participation vary among pannels :(
reddoc, your score is higher than the page indicates?
Bye Bye Marie Curie 87.9 IEF (CHE)........
I think they should not have send the ESR before the annoucement of final results, I really hoped during two weeks that I will maybe have the funding because my score was close to the cut-off scores of 2009 but now I am really depressed ...
Good luck to everyone
I have a simple question: can a proposal above threshold be rejected?
@AH
no, I was right at last years cutoff and holding out hope.
Unlike those of you that can try again next year, I cant. This was going to help fund an extended sabbatical leave. Not sure if I will travel or not anymore.
How bout you?
How they "estimated" the number of males and females and host institutions by countries ? They either know or not. The same goes with the cut-offs.
reddoc, I am below the 2009 cut-off and higher 2008.
Jesus! If those values are even aproximate, it will be a blood bath.
i feel really depresses with 82.5 for CAR panel. the cut-off seems 88.5, i am not sure if we have trust that result? I mean if it would be just a ranking list it must really quick, after first evaluation reports, isnt it?
May be it is better to wait with patience???
@SP- This is a bomb shell- I am also in ashes !
wow, treshold = 92 in IIF-ENV - if correct, this is going to be beyond my worst dream!!
@narthur
I am also in IIF -ENV. cutoff increased by 3.5 over last year. Seems like a lot. but quite possible
Dear All, i applied in IEF/ENV, for first time. I do not feel any shy in telling my score (even it is very low of all above). Could you please assess my possibility and chances or zero chances in getting funding?
My score is-74.1
1. S&T quality-3 out of 5
2. Taining- 3.2
3. Researcher-4.4
4. Implementation-4.5
5. Impact-3.5
and i am > 10 experience researcher, the comments and my score looks like it is willingly filtered to get reduce the burden on competition from EC side.
Give your opinions for my scores and chances of funding.
Thanks in advance.
hi..i am IEF/CHE and i hve got the score of 93.10
I am still waiting for the final result....because
i hve got everything very good score above 4.5 but in the researcher, i hve got exactly 4.0
will it be a problem????
krish.....
hi krish
you are sure going to get funding. the border score 4 shows they saved you during consus report preparation stage, so that they can give you funding.
I strongly believe, the EC may decided regarding the final list of proposals by the time, when it is prepared ESR report during consus report preparations stage itself.
The time gap between 18 Nov to till date is may be due to the EC is doing financial calculations for all the proposals going to be funded and after having complete idea then they will announce the rank list and further they concentrate on negotiations stage. This is my understanding. What is your opinions.
hi AC, i have seen your scores, you too have border scores for 2 sections. That means you too have chance of getting, but not sure. There will be several factors when they decide to give funding, the strategies of the country wide distribution percentage based on the no of qualified applications from the particular country and actual statics from the EC side to each country etc., also some times will make luck. In that condition your project is fundamentally eligible to fund, that is why may be you are in border marks and saved during consus report preparation stage.
Lets wait and find your luck.
bye
today i talked with a friend who had IEF grant last year. She got 83 but she had the funding. her score was below the cutoff for last year. That is why my opinion is, the ranking is going to be listed soon, because many factors can affect the chance for funding, not only the score. I feel so confused after many discussions.
@ selot
This info gives us all hope. I was also hoping that the score is not the only factor (as mine was not that high). Let's wait an see... My anticipation is burning, but I will be patient...
Dont really see how you can make any estimates on the cut off score based on a 20% increase in applicants. This does not automatically means that the cut off score will increase by 20 %. If fir instance the 20 % extra all have scores below last years cut off score, it would not result in a higher cut off. And basically, noone knows anything about the distribution of scores, not even the psanish website:-)
Hi selot it is a joke or ???
Hi Leo!
I am not joking. She got 83 from IEF and sha got the funding.Does anyone sure about the distribution of funding, is it just score or somethingelse??? No one know, i asked my NCP, they could not say anything about the chance of funding. For sure higher scores above 90 have more chance. But above treshold, my NCP says wait untill the list, even for the reserved list.
Hi selot, do you know how much below the threshold she was ?
@ RF
"I have a simple question: can a proposal above threshold be rejected?"
I have the same question. Does anyone know?
@loth The Commission generally follows the ranking list given by the evaluators. In rare cases they may suggest merging of proposals or not fund a proposal because similar work is being done in another project. I get the feeling that these are rare cases. But in general the Commission can change the priority order suggested by the evaluators.
This is explained in the "rules for evaluation..." file.
However I am not buying the information about proposals with 75 points or even 83 being funded, unless they are close to the cut-off scores, or have some other advantage - industrial partner or very high scores in some section. If your proposal has a cut-off score above the one published in the spanish site, I think it is hihgly probable you will get funded.
@ Eric
thank you for the information
there appears to be fairly big differences in cut-off scores between IEF, IOF and IIF and also within a specific call for he different panels. For the IEF last year the cut-offs ranged between 82.3 and 88.4 depending on the panel. Are you sure her score was below the cut-off score in the actual panel she was in. I find it hard to believe given the competitive nature of these grants that the commission often changes the ranking or gives funding to those below the threshold. The circumstances, it seems, would have to be quite extraordinary.
While I still check this and the other site way too much, pessimism has kicked in and the I am going on the notion that the cut-off scores on the spanish site are correct (or very close to correct) and thus my only shot is to be on the B list. I hope many of you find yourselves close enough or above those cut-offs to have a shot.
@selot
I am highly sure that you or your friend have a wrong info about the score, i have 3 friends they lost even with 86 in IEF-LIF last year. or maybe it was a special topic that is so immportant for union.
thanks mpr....in my lab, i hve freinds who are IEF 2008 the scores are 88 and 89....so everybody says i got the best 93.1 score... still i have not finished my phd.....
anybody has idea of starting time for funding approximately?
i hve one friend got score last year 85 but not funded
we hve to see n wait for the final list....
Congratulations to everybody who got it.
I am quite sure I am out :(
Hi Shy
are you sure, is Rank list announced by EC?
Yes, it seems official. If I were closer to the cut-off I could maintain some hopes as they say the scores are "cautious".
@shy Official from where? I have only seen the Spanish estimates, nothing official...
Selot, which panel was your friend from last year?
from LIF panel. she got 83 and she got the funding.
Shy, I see nothing official here. Do you have another link?
@selot I think it a little bit more complicated than this.
My guess is that they have to deal with gender issue and that probably females get average lower scores and so they have to fund some of them which are below the cut-off scores. Anyway, this process seems completely mysterious. They should just publish the list of all the proposals acronyms with the scores. This is the fair thing to do, if they do not do like this I always will have the feeling that they can do whatever they like and fund the projects they want to fund.
I am loosing my faith in this process and this is very sad!
By the way, I got 90.3 in CHE/IOF and probably won't get the fellowship. I think it is insane to expect that only proposals above 92.6 can get the fellowship. This means that the average score in each section must be 4.7/4.8. So it is sufficient to have 4.5 somewhere and you are done...
It is just an estimation that an oficial site has done from previous data. But, at the same time, it seems they have some information from REA (see pdf file at the bottom).
Of course, they repeat a lot those cut-offs are conservative.
I understand that if you are above that threshold you can be sure to get it. If you are near, you´ll have to wait (a bit more :)
They say:
En base a la experiencia adquirida en anteriores convocatorias, la Oficina Europea del MICINN ha llevado a cabo una estimación de las notas de corte preliminares de las convocatorias IEF, IIF e IOF.
which means:
From prev
In there first with the news! I got it. Email recieved 30 seconds ago. Invitation to negotiate!!!!! Woooooohhooooooo!!!
@Damo Congratulations!!! :-) Which panel are you in?
Congrats Damo!!
@Damo what panel and call are you?
Hi all. Busy running through the hallways screaming, and now am being sent out to buy champagne by my boss. I was in IOF-LIFE, and my score was 90.6. The email basically says, "Please find enclosed the invitation to negotiate the above mentioned Marie Curie Individual Fellowship grant." and then has some attached PDFs on the negotiation process. Good luck to everyone else!! :D :D
Congrats Damo!
I know this is a moment of nervousness and I don't want to be a whining person but I would like to highlight the high number of Spanish who have applied for these grants (also Italians). It denotes a lack of funding sources in Spain (for example, this year grants from the Ministry have not emerged). What can we do the Spanish researchers rather than entering into despair?
Anyone from IEF receiving such lovely e-mails as Damo got?
Yuhuuu! I got it too. IIF, PHY panel!
@RF Congratulations RF ! Can you tell me your score ?
@RF Congratulations!!! What did you score?
Eric, 89.70. Good luck to everybody
Any one received it for the IEF
Yes...any IEF emails?
By "yes" I meant, "yes I agree with MA's question....any IEF emails". I did not mean "yes I got one".
At least here there is a complete silence concerning IEF (I am in PHY, score 88.8, so just above the Spanish estimate). Now this waiting is really killing me!
i am in IEF-LIF ....nothing yet:(
Nothing here IEF as well.
Guys, the IEF applicants are much more, so take it easy.
Invitation to negotiate with 95 (SOC/IIF). Thank you to all of you for sharing information and never-ending waiting.
Good luck to everybody!
Congrats to the recipients so far. Who got the notification e-mail - the applicant or the supervisor? Or both? Thanks.
PD, the email is addressed to the supervisor, but both receive it
Thanks RF.
Everyone - the cutoff estimates on the Spanish website seem to be verified judging from the score of those who have already received the invitation for negotiation e-mails. Has anybody received an invitation e-mail with a score below the Spanish estimates? I got a 91.4 in ENV/IIF, which is below the estimate (92.2). I guess my best hope now is the reserve list.
The minute anyone hears about IEF please post here and/or on the google group. DYING!!!!!!
I sent a message to the grants office of the university a while ago. They are taking a while to answer... maybe they are getting emails and sorting them out!
The silence before the storm ?
@Eric. Apparently! I hope this doesn't last for long.
you know, there is a very old torture method from china.
you can cut your victim with a knife, 1000's times.
a slow dying process :) now it is like this. every minute is a knife cut :)
fingers crossed
@tzu That really cheered me up tzu ! Good luck :-) !
We can play the game how often you refresh this website :-).
every 30s for me
I don't know about you guys, but this wait made me hungry. I'll eat before I get an ulcer ;)
Scientist at work. I just estimated based on the number of proposal in IIF and IEF, and the time difference between the first result from IOF and IIF announced on this website that IEF resultsshouldcome 55 min after the IIF results. That was now! Give us the answers! And let's not discuss measurement errors or systematics in this very scientific calculation... ;-)
@HK Did you account for the lunch break ? :-)
Has anyone received a rejection notice yet?
I'm expecting a IIF rejection notice but have not received anything.
I am not sure they are supposed to send a rejection notice. At least last year I did not receive any rejection notice... and still I was out!
I am not sure they are supposed to send a rejection notice. At least last year I did not receive any rejection notice... and still I was out!
I don't think rejection notices are sent out at the same time. In fact, I think they are sent out much later. If you think about it, they can only formally reject everyone who scored above the eligibility thresholds once everyone who has been offered the fellowship accepts.
Has anybody heard something from IEF? I can't concentrate!!
Nothing for me from IEF anyway. Dying. Of. Tension.
That makes sense - no rejection emails. Congrats to all who made it!!
My boss just came to my office to ask if I wanted to go for lunch. I think I better go otherwise I will just sit here and refresh this page every 30sec. I am too nervous to be hungry, though.
I can not find any information using google that IIF and IEF are sent at the same time. Maybe IEF needs one more week since the applications are more than double the IIF.
Got it! in SOC IOF. And I got my PhD on monday.. This December is already a month to remember!
Good luck to everyone!
@SOC Well done SOC ! Could you tell us what was your score ?
any news for IEF???
@MA Please!!!! Not one more week!!!
no news yet from IEF...
I got 95.2 and I have here with me another victorious applicant (yeah!) with 92.5!
good luck!
I think I am having a stroke from all the tension. IEF come on!!
waiting for IEF.....
I GOT IEF/LIF, 92.1
Got it in IEF, LIF panel, with 89.4 (male).
Good luck everyone.
yepeeeeee !!!!!
@loth and KafeeTasse; did you get the letter?? Who sent it?
I got the letter in CC, it was addressed to my supervisor
e-mail from REA.
it was sent by REA, Project Officer
I got it IEF/LIF with 91.9
@loth and KafeeTasse; congratulations!!! So the wait will finally be over today!
I got it IEF/PHY!
:-) invitation letter received, IEF/LIF
Thanks all and good luck!
@goodluck What was your score ?
Good luck to everyone here!
@Eric: 91.1 IEF/PHY
OK...
@bucf: I am also in Germany and the same panel (IEF/LIF). Could you please tell your score?
My mailbox is empty.
just got the e-mail from REA.
Good luck to everyone!
just got the e-mail from REA.
Good luck to everyone!
@krespim: 94
Good luck to you!
i GOT IT!!!!! 91.6 IEF-LIF!!! NOW I CAN START DRINKING BEERS ALL THE WAY THROUGH VACATION
GOOD LUCK TO THE REST OF YOU.
@bucf: as soon as I posted I got got the email. Invited to negotiate! I hope this is good :D
90.3 was my score.
Thanks for your support and info guys. I spread the link and the info here contained to other people in the institute.
Good luck to all of you!
Got it! 90.3 IEF-PHY Good luck!
Good luck all. Just got the email IEF/ENG. Yay
IEF-PHY 88.9 - GOT IT !
Congrats Skymonkey. can you please tell us your score? it seems that the spanish website was correct
@Eric Well done!! Congrats!
@Eric, @skymonkey: Congrats!
anybody in IEF-ENV ?
My score was 92.1 IEF/ENG
anybody got reserve list letters ?
Has anyone heard from the IOF-Env panel?
anyone granted with IEF/LIF with less than 89 or 88?
@anxious what is your score? I have 86.6 in PHY / IOF which is only slightly below the 87.2 of the Spanish website. So there is some hope to get onto the waiting list which should not contain more than 2-4 people in my panel. But who knows how it works? Are we going to be informed? Or do we get no letter at all until all other negotiations are settled?
@MM
For people who won't receive email today, probably like me, we have to wait the end of December to know if we are on the reserve list
@MM 88.6 in IEF-ENV, so 0.8 below Spanish estimates, although they are claimed to be conservative.
Guys I want to thak you ALL. You were Great. Talking with you made these two weeks of painful waiting easier. I wish you ALL good luck in what you want to achieve in life !
Just back from lunch and with a very nice e-mail in my inbox waiting for me! :-) So, I seem to have gotten it too with IEF/PHY 88.8. Anyone lower? Congratulations to all the others who got it and patience to the people who could be on the reserve list!
Woo, got invitation to negotiate. IOF-PHY, score 90.6
Good luck everyone.
I got it! IEF-LIFE 90,9. Thanks all and good luck!!
Always nobody in IEF-ENV ?
Congrats to all who achieved it, good luck to those who are still waiting like me. Anyone who got email for IIF-CHE?
IEF-LIF 91.5, got the grant. Thanks everybody for all the news updates etc.
Anyone from IEF-CHE have received the invitation yet?
hi friends..
I got the mail to negotiate the grant....IEF-CHE-93.1 score
thanks to all of u and good luck..
The German office has the full list of rankings, including the reserve list placements. I have 86.6 in IOF/PHY. This is place 6 on the waiting list. Since there are only 14 winners in this panel I am definitely out. (I guess not 6 of you will be appointed to permanent positions or choose alternative funding... If you do please let me know!)
Congatulations to AH and all the other winners! Enjoy your time abroad! I will resubmit my proposal either next year or elsewhere.
And good luck to everyone who wants to try again!
Got it... 92.8 IEF/CHE !!!
MM can you give the link of the german office?
@ MM have you a link to the list of rankings?
@MM
Did the German office send you the rankings by email or is there a link to a web page?
89.1 IEF/ENG Invitation to negotiate!!!
The list is not published, I asked them by email and just got an informal reply. No files etc. But they know it already and everyone could probably try to ask at his/her national contact point.
@MM Thanks. The problem is French NCP does not reply my emails.
Got it, in MAT 1.2 points above the "spanish" cut-off.
A friend of mine got IEF/PHY with 88
@orlando: that's a good news for people slighly below the "spanish" cut-off !
So.. at now, no mail means bad news.
Let's hope in the reserve list.
Congratulations to all of you that were successful!
interesting, that IEF-PHYS score is below the "spanish" cutoff
?s there anyone one from CAR panel???
"spanish" cut-off.what does it means? I posted that because some one was asking if below 88.8 in PHY anyone got it. Of course it is a good news!!!
anybody knows whether all successful applicant will receive the emails by today itself or one can expect it tomorrow also?
just being optimistic :-)
@sansun I would like to hope so, but now we have to be realistic, if we haven't receive the mail yet, we didn't get it..
@C Well you are right. It seems we have to accept it now.
:-(
flurry of emails has died down considerably implying to me that all those that were successful have already been notified. No email = no success (at least A group).
I plan to drink heavily this evening :)
The day is not gone yet so lets wait and see. Depends ón panel too how Quick mails go out
:_( :_(
@C and sansun I would hate to give false hopes to anyone since maybe I didn't get it, however I scored 91.5 in IEF/PHY and have received no email yet. Seen how some people got it with 88 in my category I would expect to get it too, though you never know... so maybe hang in there and keep reloading the mailbox a little longer!
I guess you are right. If this is is a comnputer program farming out emails, then it should happen right quick. If it is an individual sending them out, then I guess there may be some delays on sending them.
While sad, at least I can get back to normalcy
yes, from tomorrow at least I have not to reload the mailbox or this website, but this was one of my big hope for my future. When I got the scores last week I was quite happy but now I'm drowning, as all the applications I have done from this summer were going bad despite I have always received compliments for my CV. MC was probably one of my last chance to escape from this country and my dying university system. I still hope for reserve list..who knows
@JB I am sure you'll get it if 88 got it.
Let us know, Good luck to all of us.
C, where are you from???
Today in Italy is holiday! That's probably why the mails are not coming.. :) :) :)
italy...
no one from IEF Eco panel?
@Faith I hope you are right... I am from Italy too :P
Don't want to burst the bubble but today is a holiday in Austria also and I know at least one person in Austria who got an email today :-(
Are they sending mails from Brussells? Then we have 20 min. more of working day, I guess
:-)
Anybody from IIF/LIF pannel?
ARRGHHH!!!
No one from IEF ENV panel ?
It seems its over now! no good news for me. Congrats to those who got it!
I have to resubmit next year and go through this all again.
@R1 I am IEF/ENV=90 I have recieved an invitation letter.
Congrats to those who have gotten their fellowships. Good luck to those that are still waiting to hear!!!
Congrats to those who won!
Unfortunately for me, I will have to think if I will apply next year or not.
The 6pm mark is hit and no letter as expected...
The long B-program waiting has officially started!
A note of hope for those who did not have it this year: this is my 2nd application and addressing the comments on the report will surely make your application stronger as it did with mine. I went from no passing the threshold on researcher to being funded.
Good luck and I feel your pain.
Hello, I have received an invitation e-mail from the REA on negotiation for the grant agreement. I applied in the PHY panel of IEF and got a score of 88.
No e-mail for me yet...IIF/ENG 85.9. As I expected, but still I am hopeful...
Congrats to all who received the funding. Great job!!! Maybe you can give us a few tips on how to improve our applications - more tables, more details, ...
So a lot of people in IEF/LIF have got emails right? I didnt get one. I was not very optimistic in the first place but it seems we are not even sure when to stop hoping!!! Has anybody got any info from their NCP whether its all finished??
So a lot of people in IEF/LIF have got emails right? I didnt get one. I was not very optimistic in the first place but it seems we are not even sure when to stop hoping!!! Has anybody got any info from their NCP whether its all finished??
i asked my NCP, they dont have the ranking list yet!!!
hi all
any results for IEF-SOC yet?
Anyone from IOF/CHE was lucky?
@ ozon
not me personally, but I know of two applicants for IEF SOC who got it
@sansun, the emails did not arrived all at the same time today. So you can still get good news tomorrow. You got a good score!
@afg
do you know their score by any chance??
I got an invitation as well (IEF MAT)! :-D
Good luck to all of you!
@ ra
no, but I think above 90 - I'm at 89.4 so below the 'Spanish' estimate, which appears to be accurate
I see. I have 89.2 IEF/SOC. uff.
@ ra
looks like we're on the wrong side of 90...
@RC
Thanks for keeping my hope alive. I am waiting for tomorrow but not with much enthusiasm.
Please, people recieving mails from REA post program, area and score. PLEASEEE!!! ARRGHH!! I'll get mad!!
Did anybody with a score just below 89 receive an email in IEF-ENV ?
Got it. 91.7 in IEF/ENG.
But don't know if I will keep it (today I received a job offer, too).
Come on... wake up REA and continue sending those e-mails... I am still hoping. Guys, if anyone else gets the e-mail from them, please, let us know...
@ JJ
I really think that they have all been sent out, unfortunately.
@nano > 88.2 in IEF/ENV and no email ...
88.1 in IEF-CHE and no e-mail... :(
no mail
Anyone over the 'Spanish' cut off with no email?
anyone get an email for IIF/LIF yet? good luck if there is still a chance!
Dou you think we have more chances in IIF for 2011 with the increased budget?
@AH I think it's impossible to evaluate the chances for next year. There will be a lot more applicants, too.
I guess no emails are coming anymore, so they must be finished with informing succesfull applicants.
I received no email so far - so I guess I'll see you again next year in this forum :))
88.8 IEF SOC and no email: on the 'wrong' side of the 'Spanish' cut off :(
It is really frustrating... Out with 87 in IEF/PHY with the Spanish cut-off at 87.7 :-(
...and discovering a mistake in the scientific quality section a while after submission which was the only evaluators' comment...
Congratulations to those who got it!
The rest of us will probably meet again here next year
Guys.. see you next year, hopefully we'll be more lucky! Thanks for these weeks. See you around the web ;-)
More applications doesn't mean higher number of competitive projects...
@sansun and C up there. It turns out I got it but they wrote my email wrong in the invitation so I never received the email... My boss just forwarded to me (he was traveling yesterday). Good luck to the rest and courage!
Hi guys, I haven't write before, but thanks for the support this last couple of weeks.
I am in the IEF/PHY panel with 87.2 and haven't received an email yet ... but!... the MC contact point at my proposed host institution just sent an email saying: "I see from my LEAR page on the Commission’s website that your project has been successful"
My current approach is not believing this until I don't get the email, in case she made a mistake or something. But anyway, this may also mean that there are some more emails to be sent.
Best of luck to everyone!
The spanish site has updates a revised cut off mark list http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
@scutti> Let us know if you receive the email !
anyone got information on the reserve list from its NPC ?
Hey guys, for those who got it, can you please let us know if there is any indication in the invitation letter about a 'date' within you have to say whether you will accept the offer (so that those in the B-list will know till when they have still to suffer)?
Anyone got it in IIF/ENG?
@afg > thanks for the update link !
I have exactly the score of the cut-off ! but did not get email ...
@ki
in my case a grant agreement preparation form has to be send until the 22/01
hey guys just joined back and missed all the action yesterday. What a tumultuous day !
@ Eric, skymonkey, goodluck, Damo, HK, RL, krespim... congrats to all of you.
The revised spanish list has very marginal "revisions".
@ sansun and RC - have you got any mail (IIF/CHE) ?
I just had a look to the results that applicants received last year on the 22 December and they are just informed of the status of their proposal (A, B C ...) but not on their place on the waiting list ... So I guess we'll have to wait longer before to know.
I think I'll be bald after that
If we have not yet received an email, baring miracle, we are toast.
I will now finally close this tab and focus on more productive things. Good luck to you all in your future endeavors.
I contact with my NCP and NCp of germany, no ranking list was ready they told me. there is just emails.
@JB Congratulations! I was really wondering why you should have not gotten the grant, when I got it with much lower score. Now that was explained.
And thank you all for this stress relief forum that was really needed the last weeks! And good luck to all still waiting close to the cut off scores!
@abhi
I haven't received the email. I think its over for me now.
@scutti: which country is your host institution in?
@sansun - hardluck, you were damn close! i am sure u would be in list B. So far we haven't spotted any IIF/CHE result. It would be interesting to know the spread of qualifying scores.
Off to 2011 and all the best for your carear!!
My score is 88.5 in IIF PHY what is 0.1 less than the announced cut-off 88.6 in the spanish site. I called to my national contact point and after looking their ranking list they said me that i am really on the edge between A and B lists and should wait because they do not send all letters to winners at once. If i will be in the B list, they said, then, in the beginning of it.
This means those who slightly below the cut-off scores can still hope to receive invitation letters in the remaining days before publication A, B, C distributions.
Good luck to everyone.
@R-br> you give me a new hope, my score is the same that the announced spanishcut-off. Difficult to work in this condition ...
Hope that some of us will receive email in the few days !
Any other letter?
with 88.1 in the IIF/LIF pannel I think I am out.
:'(
not to create false hopes but: my national contact point maintains that as of today no threshold has been decided and no ranking list finalised, and not all the 500 successful applicants have been contacted, so the 'Spanish' cut off may drop a bit more again, so people close to it are not neccessarily out...
according to new estimate by spanish website, I am 0.3 points below the cuoff. Is there still any hope?
Hi everyone, unfortunately no email with IEF LIF 87.7 :(
The updated spanish site does not contain the preliminary results ppt file anymore - would anyone who downloaded it be willing to share it?
Thanks so much and good luck in 2011 :)
has anyone received email from REA avoid wednesday? do you think all the people has been already conctacted?
@KI
Not yet for me IIF/ENG. Has anyone from IIF got it? I am slowly loosing my hope :((((
85.2 points..IEF/CHE :o( ... so much work for nothing...
@ JJ - the IIF basket has been relatively empty till now !
@ RCS
Don't think like that. You can always apply for the next year or use your proposal for other applications. That is a good score, meaning that your idea was good, just some improvements are needed. The same with mine. I feel sad, but I am determined to try again, here or elsewhere.
@ abhi
Hmmm, let's hope...Although probably some people that got it didn't even bother to come back to this forum - they are busy celebrating @#$%^%##!!!
@ RCS
I agree with JJ. I also think that to a good degree, their ranking is, and maybe has to be, based on a list of keywords/phrases that they want to see addressed or just named in a successful proposal. By not explicitly mentioning those you may loose a few points - enough to get you out of the game in an especially oversubscribed year. Bottom line: it's disappointing, but don't take it necessarily as a real measure of the scientific quality of your proposal and yourself - which should count most in my opinion ... I mean, c'mon it's for a PostDoc position ;)
@2011 I agree, it's easy to loose points by not mentioning things that are part of the assessment criteria explicitly. Another thing: in my case I spent some time looking at the strategic areas
of development in the cordis website and tried to make clear on my proposal how the research would have an impact on a specific area.
@RL
Yes, I did the same, but the problem is that some areas are "cool" one year, but are not so "cool" the next one. That happened to me. I had a comment in the Impact section (where I scored the lowest) that the benefit of my research depends on the general funding in that area. I can't just change the area I am working on because someone decided that it is not "in" that year.
To all my fellow posters who were not successful, take heart. I have applied for a number of things over the years:
2007: Humboldt fellowship (crap proposal I realise). Rejected - they don't give a score, just yes or no.
2008: Irish Research Council/Marie Curie joint fellowship 80% (cut off was 85%).
2009: Irish Research Council/Marie Curie joint fellowship 85.5% (cut off was 87%).
2010: Marie Curie IEF/ENG. Got it. 92.1%.
The rejection killed me. I was so disappointed the years I didn't make it. What I learned was
1) Keep trying if it is important to you.
2) Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Apply for everything going.
3) Listen to the reviewers comments and make improvements in your application.
4) Ideally have a friend who will go over every part of your application and tear it to shreds. Having an objective eye look at your proposal can really make a difference and really help you see weaknesses/flaws in your project.
5) Address EVERY SINGLE POINT mentioned in the Guide for Applicants. Every single one of them. If you think it "isn't relevant" for your project, find a way to make it relevant and address it. If you don't mention it, you will lose points.
6) Look at other funding opportunities. Ireland has IRCSET the research council for science, engineering, technology that offer post-doc fellowships and you don't have to be Irish or European. Ditto the German DFG. Most countries have similar programmes. Find countries you would like to work in and apply for these programmes.
7) Don't despair and good luck!
@skymonkey
Thanks for the encouraging words. best wishes!
I agree with skymonkey, if you already took the time to write one proposal, it's much easier to apply to other ones as well.
@sansun Have you tried ringing the NCP in your host country?
@skymonkey
Thanks. It's nice to read your advice.
@ skymonkey
Thanks for the suggestions. It does pay off if one is persistant and determined. Enjoy your MC! And everybody else! Thanks for making me company these tough few days :-)
I got 89.2 on the IEF/SOC panel. Two questions - anyone know what the cut off score for SOC is? Also, where would the email have gone to? To me (the researcher and applicant) or to the scientist in charge? It is just that the email address I applied with is no longer valid but I thought that all correspondence would go to the scientist in charge! Would really appreacited feedback.
@Tom
e-mail will go to both you and supervisor.
many thanks do you know anything about my chance of getting funding with that score or where I can find info?
@Tom: You are right, all correspondence would go to the scientist (host) in charge
@Tom: you may find some information here
http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
but it is not completely official
@Tom: sorry, this is the right link
@skymonkey- thanks for all the encouraging suggestions.
It would be nice if anybody could also provide some handy tips on the "Training/transfer of knowledge" section which is where i scored the lowest.
I will also add my 'final' comments here.
I have been doing this business (trying to find research funding) for some time already. It is 8 years since my PhD, I am married and have 2 kids and my husband is also a scientist. Really a bad combination... On many occasions I have been told that I am too old or too young, not working in a sexy enough field, etc. And then when I succeed I have been told that it is because I am a woman with kids working in physics. Admittedly it is usually old male colleagues I hear these last comments from. I try to ignore these people, but sometimes it is difficult, because I naturally want to be acknowledged based on my research, not on my gender. But here I am, still in this business. :-)
This Marie Curie application I wrote in the middle of moving countries and without knowing the keywords and phrases to use. Still, I was lucky and got good enough points to just get it.
My message is: never give up! If you really want to do science, then keep on trying until you get there. And also remember that we all have our occasional doubts about our own sanity when fighting for funding and working crazy hours. :-)
Congratulations to everyone who got the Marie Curie grant this year, patience to those close to the cutoff scores (you might still get lucky!) and good luck to everyone still looking for a job!
Thanks HK!
congrats to all those with MC fellowships! Can anyone successful in IIF/LIF please post your score and also any tips for those of us who did not succeed?
@skymonkey
@HK
Thank you for the advice. Maybe next time will be my time. Congratulations to all successful applicants.
has anybody gotten letters that they will NOT get the funding?
i have not received a rejection/acceptance letter yet, but i believe the IEF/SOC results have not come out yet.
@ hope - IEF SOC results are out, see messages above
Hi, it's the first time I apply for the MC and got it. However, I had tried three times before with national grants w/o succeeding. So, it's just a matter of liking what you do and never giving up.
I got the IIF in PHY panel, with the score 89.70. I tried to state the objectives very clearly and set up a very detailed plan, in such a way that success or failure can be easily assessed. I also described my project as essential for progress in my field: I know that this might sound a bit arrogant, but by experience I tend to believe that modesty does not pay when it comes to look for funds.
Thanks for posting and big congratulations to you RF. Good advice.
Hi, I inquired from NCP at UK about the rank list. Following is the reply:
"We think the threshold for funding may be around the 90 mark although this is varying slightly by panel. Indeed they are starting to send the invitations to negotiate, so if you do not hear in the next few days it may be that you are not on the funding list. However, you could still be on the reserve list. We do not have the full rank lists yet. Please contact us again next week to see if we have more information."
hi! can you let me know where i can find the IEF/SOC results? i dont see any results. thanks!
i mean, i know my score. but i have no acceptance/rejection letter. i dont think IEF/SOC have sent out acceptance/rejection letters yet.
@hope
they send acceptance (invitation for negotiations) letters to those who get funded. As the negotiations progress and some funded projects may not receive the full amount or are withdrawn, projects from the reserve (B) list are invited for negotiations. Rejection letters are sometimes (if in the reserve list) sent after *all* the negotiations are finished, something which can take up to one year. So, if you are close to the cut-off don't expect any rejection letters soon...
@ hope - search this page - the results are out
@afg
there is no link!!
thanks, but if i don't have an acceptance/rejection letter - does that mean there is still a chance?
@ asb
no link to what? The results I'm talking about are on this page
@afg
Sory! I missunderstood! hehe, I'm so anxious!!
@ sansun- the NCP's are also guessing at this stage.
I think all the credible info at this point of time is either at this page or on the spanish website....
But it's rather strange that not a single IIF/CHE qualifying applicant has posted here in comparison to PHY.
@abhi A friend got it with 91.8 in IIF-CHE. What was your score?
@ RL - thank you very much for the info.
Mine was 88.2, seems the spanish cut off estimate was very much on the mark. I am just a bit curious to know the maximum spread ( > 93, 95...)
@ abhi
I think other applicants of IIF-CHE have not seen this page.
I am also wondering about the spread of score this year.
I know someone from last year who got IIF-CHE with 88
Any IIF/LIF got it?
@ sansun - yeah, last year the cutoff was 87.9. Was it his/her first attempt ?
I think there is no harm in the REA being a little bit more open and publishing a list of all qualifying scores. It would encourage prospective applicants to set their target scores more realistically.
@ abhi
yeah it was first attempt.
I think this time the cut off has increased a lot for CHE.
I also wonder why REA doesn't publish the details.
Forget about REA posting the scores.
Remember there are distribution between genders and probably also some destined for "less research competitive countries" nationals.
@ sansun- this cutoff was also beyond my imagination !
@ JPT- I can understand your thoughts. Many countries giving financial contribution to EU wouldn't be amused if majority of the funded proposals went to a handful of ivy league schools.
But as recorded in this forum, everyone above the cutoff have indeed received funding; so the results so far seem to be strictly based on the scores only.
I have now couple of times read on this page people talking about 'gender issues' when distributing the grants. If there were really such things why would they let the fraction of women getting IOF drop from last year's 42% to 32% this year? This was clearly written in the presentation that used to be on the Spanish site and can now be found on this page. And as abhi pointed out, it seems that the people above the 'Spanish' cutoff have been invited for negotitations, recardless of their gender - as it should be done.
Does REA stands for "Research Executive Agency" or "Reasearches executioners agents"?
@ GRF
;-)
sorry for asking this again, but where are the IEF results? i dont see anyone on this forum speaking of IEF, so perhaps the acceptance letters have not been sent out yet? do we get rejection letters?
@ hope
I think there is no hope for you, hope, as you cannot find what are hoping for. I had hoped if you searched this page there was hope you would find the results, but my hope was misplaced because you don't seem to know how to search a web page - what hope is there if you cannot master this elementary skill? I dohope you figure it out hope
@ hope, I am guessing you received below a 90 on the IEF SOC (the Spanish cut-off), otherwise you probably would have received an acceptance letter. If you're close to the cut-off you might still be accepted later on or put on the wait-list (you probably don't have much hope though if you're below an 88). There really are a lot of people posting here (from 3 and 4 days ago) saying they got an IEF: I found at least, 2 IEF acceptances in ENG, 2 in PHY, 1 in MAT, and somebody saying they know 2 people in SOC who got it. I cut and pasted some statements from above:
here is an excerpt of somebody who got in IEF in ENG on this forum:
"SirDDT 3 days ago
Got it. 91.7 in IEF/ENG.
But don't know if I will keep it (today I received a job offer, too).",
"RL 4 days ago
Got it! 90.3 IEF-PHY Good luck!
skymonkey 4 days ago
Good luck all. Just got the email IEF/ENG. Yay
Eric 4 days ago
IEF-PHY 88.9 - GOT IT !"
@afg I don't see the point of being sarcastic and even mean with people. We all had a rough time waiting for the results... perhaps a bit more of sympathy would not hurt.
@hope: several people reported getting acceptance letters as of this Wednesday. However, as Alex said, if you are near the Spanish cut-off (look above for a link) you might still be lucky. Good luck!
@afg: I certainly agree with RL that your attempt at sarcasm was unnecessarily unkind towards hope. Furthermore it was unscientific. 1) You cannot assess a persons general intelligence by their ability to observe things when anxious. Many people's intellectual performance is impaired by stress. 2) One test is not sufficient - obviously - rather, you need to obtain a score derived from many different intellectual tests and then compare it to the norm.
If your own scientific ability and linguistic skills are to be judged based purely upon that single inarticulate paragraph that your crafted, then you may not come off so brilliantly yourself.
Hi guys, anybody has an idea about the B list declaration date ? maybe we can get a chance in B list, you know hope never dies.
@afg, i think that community is not suitable for you and we don't share knowledge with rough bullies. you should apoligize.
I'm waiting too for the B list. I know some people in B list in the previous years founded, so...who knows, maybe we'll be still lucky! I guess and hope before xmas.
Do some of you know if someone received the negotiation letter a day different from wednesday? I still hope they have to send some other few mails ;-).
However, at least I'm far less nervous than one week ago, unluckly it has been ended in the worst way, despite the nice valuation I had.
But I'm sure other opportunities are waiting for us!!
Hi Everyone,
I just talked with my NCP. they did not have the final list yet. They told me on thursday, there will be final negotiations in Brussels. They told me everything will be clear in this week. Also they said it is very difficult to get from B list. Lets wait and see.
Again... no lucky people from IOF/CHE? Thanks and thanks everybody for sharing ;)
I have a score of 84.4 (IEF-LIV) - since all who posted were well above this score and some have not received a postive answer yet, I guess my chances are nil.
To everyone who did not received the invitation!
I got 83 from CAR panel. I saw the cut off values from the spanish web site. However i will wait the final answer from the REA. Of course scores above 90 has got it. But i believe that there is still chance who is above treshold. I will keep my hope. I am a girl from a third world country. I know what it means to struggle, try to find a way and keeping hope. I managed to find many chances in Europe for courses, for grants etc in the past. I applied for MC this time, i will wait the final answer. Then better to think the new solutions. If we loose our courage and positive feelings, it will make the things more complicated. Sometimes when a door is closed, many doors are still open, just waiting to discover. I wish good luck everyone still waiting for the final results. As a believer, i belive in destiny. You do your best and the rest is destiny. I did my very best to prepare the project. I will be proud of myself, even i will not get the funding. But i still have a strong feeling that it is not over yet. thanks alot for everyone who is sharing in that page.
@selot> good luck, you're right to keep your hope. If you really want to make research, there is no reason you do not succeed.
Some of us will perhaps have news at the end of the week. As it is mentioned : "As a result of negotiations, funds sometimes become available due to savings made
during the negotiation process or due to the withdrawal of proposals."
hi! thanks everyone, for the messages. fingers crossed, let's hope more people get acceptance letters this week.
hi! thanks everyone, for the messages. fingers crossed, let's hope more people get acceptance letters this week.
@ selot and everyone else
You are right - never loose hope and stay persistent. Once I read a saying: When everything goes well at the beginning - it is one's beginner good luck. But later, after that, it is a matter of persistence and courage that will determine who continues and who does not. So, let's continue and stay in touch. Cheers everybody!
I just had a look (again) to the power point available at this link:
http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
It is written that the budget for IEF is:
Budget 95.000,000 + 4.275,000 = 99.275,000 Euros
I thought it was only 95 millions, like in 2009 and in 2009 they founded 575 projects with 95 millions. So I can't understand why they would fund only 504 projects with 99 millions ... So I keep the hope that we could have good news soon.
I know that I have to face the truth, i.e. it is probably finished but I want to believe a little bit more so fingers crossed !
@nano I hope too...! still waiting for the final results (bad or good) and in addition I don't understand why the "spanish" cutoff were changed between 7 and 9 december. however, I guess we'll know soon.
@C > for the "spanish" cutoff : I think that the first cutoffs were really an estimation made with the number of funded projects per section. The second cutoffs probably the real cutoffs of successful applicants who received an email. They probably had a non definitive list the 9 december, that's why they don't diffuse the information ...
I suppose soon all of us should be receiving an acceptance/rejection letter.
Probably there won't be any rejection letters till next year. It would be rather insensitive to send thousands of rejection letters just a couple of days before Christmas.
@nano The salaries were actually increased between 2009 and 1010, but this would not explain all the difference in numbers.
I meant 2010!
@beta I believe we'll never receive rejection letter, and I also suppose that no other acceptance (negotiation) letters have been sent avoid than on wednesday, so sadly, we are not founded. however, I'm waiting the list (that I think will be pubblished on CORDIS website) so we'll know if we are in the reserve ("B") list, even I think the possibilities to be founded in the reserve list are very small. we'll see!
Selot spoke about final negotiations which will take place in Brussels on thursday, so maybe other acceptance letters could be send then !!?
Also, a project with (>10 with family) can make 45%+ more than (10 with family) can easily account for the difference. Is it me, or are the salaries too high for a postdoc? More research can be accomplished with lower salaries.
Also, a project with (>10 with family) can make 45%+ more than (10 with family) can easily account for the difference. Is it me, or are the salaries too high for a postdoc? More research can be accomplished with lower salaries.
The use of less than and bigger than screwed up the text, maybe the system read it as a html tag. I meant to say:
Also, a project with (10+ with family) can make 45%+ more than (less than 10 and single). Thus a 3% increase of successful (10+ with family) can easily account for the difference. Is it me, or are the salaries too high for a postdoc? More research can be accomplished with lower salaries.
@okv. These are supposed to be prestigeous grants and have to take into consideration standard pay-levels in all Europe including Scandinavian countries with high living costs, wages and taxes... By experience I know that there are a lot of extra expenses especially with a family, when you move around, stay in sublet places, try to keep contact with your home country etc. so I think the pay-levels are fair. Part of the reason behind these grants is to avoid brain drain to the US, so they have to be a good offer to attract all of us, the best young scientists there is.
I also think there will be more news after Thursday and that they still have a buffer of the budget which has not been used for invitations, so there may be a few more letters soon and there will also be a couple of projects from the B-list funded. However, looking at previous years, it may take well into the spring before the B-list cut-off is final.
hmmm, its seems the wait/pain is not over yet.
I have no email yet but 85.4 IIF-PHY. I suppose this won't be good enough, but it seems to me that if they know the rankings well enough to be able to send invitations to grant negotiation, then they should be able to post the ranked list!
I don't see why those of us on the B/C/D lists should have to wait an extra three weeks!
to JN:
I have 88.5 in the same panel IIF-PHY and no mail as well, but in local contact point they said me i still have a chance to be in A list and should wait.
@r-br Ah, that's good to know... good luck to both of us!
I was checking last year's IEF and it does say that letters are also sent to unsuccessful applicants
@T. The link provided is related to 2009 and before results. They have not sent out rejection letters and will not do so before they are sure of the cut-off for A and B lists. I think they will post the A; B etc. list before Christmas and that the meeting today in Bruxelles will decide the final cut-offs for both A and B and then they will inform the NCPs and post it on the cordis side soon. Then they will send out rejection letters afterwards and for people on the B-list there will probably be a few more months of waiting.
Still no B list. I can't imagine them to send thousands of rejection letters just a few days before Christmas, so they will probably wait till the new year.
I applied last year and never received a rejection letter and I waited for a long time. Once the A,B,C list is posted. It is pretty clear that if you have ranked C, D or E you wont be getting any funding. I am assuming the letters are for people on the B list and they wont be sent out until the negotiations are completed which I believe can take until June.
I just heard from a friend that some additional acceptance letters were sent out for IEF-PHY today. I still haven't heard anything myself.
Nothing yet!!! :(
Yesterday the french NCR said that there is no reason for waiting, since last year everybody got the "invitation" the same day (8 days ago)...(someone else still waiting for an IEF-ENV?)
Hi everyone,
I did not get IEF-CAR! My NCP told me that it was over, no need to wait for invitation.
Goodbye
to SL
Yes, I am/was :( waiting for IEF-ENV with 88.5 ...
to SL
what was your score?
To JW
I got 87 and I give up.
dfdfdfdf
@SL
IEF/ENV 88.2 :(
IEF-ENV= 87
Fatal error dfdfdf
:(
I would suggest to CORDIS to provide another additional document: "top ten stories about desperate MC applicants"
My NCP also told me that invitations were sent this week. So no need to wait. Now, only hope is to get at top of the waiting list.
@sl. 88.6 still hoping for an IEF-ENV, but chances are not good it appears even to be on the top of the waiting list.
My NCP told me today that "most of the invitations to negotiation have been sent this week," and that if I don't hear by today then it's probable that I'm not on the A list.
I hope we get these preliminary results lists publisised before Christmas, so we can see what letter category we are in and if on B then what number.
@PP They usually publish the results a few days before Christmas. It was Dec. 22 last year. But they don't publish numerical rankings, just a letter grade. If you have C or below, that's a no, but if you have a B, there's no way to know if you're at the top or the bottom.
I saw a 2005 case in witch they told the applicant the number of applicants before him in the B list. He finally got it.
Good luck to us all!
Dear all,
For your information I found THE listing of the experts 2009 in charge of evaluating the 2009 application (see people_2009.xls available on CORDIS).
I don’t know for you, but in my case no expert (well known at international level) in my area or close area….such a crap..
Of course if I got the IEF fellowship grant I will even not have a look on this….:)
My question is how ‘scientist’ without any experience at international level in the field of the applicant can evaluate her/his proposal ???
FYI: I’m a senior scientist >10yrs exp and ~ 30 peer reviewed papers as first author…
@ASB
It was in a different financial climate...
@LEO
If you wanted to be judged by high top specialists you would better go for ERC not PEOPLE! But, in that case, you would have a few specialists and some of them would may have his/her own preferences even... before reading your proposal... :). The World is not perfect, I am afraid. Since I am in the same position as you (in terms of being out and some others mentioned by your circumstances) I believe you would not consider my words as a sarcasm but simple reality...
@LEO
Could you please provide us this list?
@everyone
Usually, no more than 2-3 applications in the "B" list by each panel are finally funded.
@JW
I agree. If you're near the top of your field, then there are very few people who are ever really qualified to read one of your proposals, and they have their own biases. This is why people don't get grants that they deserve, and it's also why even a really excellent proposal has to appeal to people outside your field.
@all. Next time it may be us who gets grants and others who think they were more deserving. It is just a question of the game being very tough due to financial crisis at the moment. We just have to use the comments and our common sense, improve and try again as well as try other grants. I know from previous experience that it is not very constructive to take on the victim approach. Much better to try to find something that one can do, like sending off more applications. Good luck to all of you and merry Christmas. lets enjoy the good evaluations and accept the rest as tough luck. Think about all that we have succeeded with so far and be assured that this is just a temporary down pour. Season greetings to all.
@all
Did anybody contact his/her NCP and had news about the FINAL RANKING LIST ?
@ nano
I have contacted the NCP of France but could not get a reply yet. So, no news on the final lists.
Good luck to all
Hi everybody, just found this wonderful forum.. for what I understood no more chances for me IEF/SOC 88.5.... It will be better next year.. Good luck to all of us!!!
I scored 91.3 in IOF/SOC and have heard nothing. So I guess the cut-off is at least 92.
@sundayschild : you are very close to the "estimate" or more likely the "real" cutoff scores of your panel: 91.4
have a look at : http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
You are probably on the top of B list, good luck !
Thanks for the link, Nano.
Wow, I cannot believe there are over 800 comments, I am so glad this has been a helpful hub, but I am sorry I did not see any of this sooner. I guess there must be an option to have them e-mail me when there is a new comment but I did not have that. Meanwhile, I am trying to deal with journal reviewers myself, and I think I understand some of your feelings at the least. I outlined 30 good ways to deal with frustrations in another hub: http://hubpages.com/stress/hub/off-negative-emotio
I am very happy that so many of you had the chance to discuss here, and I hope you continue to share...
Nice to meet you rider_tiger !!!!!!
your page has been very helpful for all of us and has made less painful our waiting for the results. Some of us, unluckily not me, have been successful and the others will try again next year (I'm sure we'll get it sooner or later).
Thanks again for this site, maybe see you next year!!
Meanwhile, our agony continues! :\
Come on, please! Publishe those results!! Arhhgggg!!
rider_tiger, this page has been more than helpful for all of us during this waiting. I would say almost essential!!! Sorry, I did not tell you before: thank you!
@ rider_tiger: Thanks so much for this hub. The discussion has certainly been crucial in helping us to deal with waiting/success/failure.
Last year results where published on Dec 22. Maybe today is the day!
I agree, it has been crucial to deal with all this time by sharing our fellings but also a very important source of information. Thanks rider_tiger.
thanks, rider_tiger and a Merry Christmas to everyone!
no news about MC yet? :(
You're welcome, and those who did not get it, I hope you apply again next year and get it, but what I would like to see more is a significant increase in budget so more scientists are financed and mobilized.
@rider_tiger
Big thanks to you for your site !
All the best for 2011 & perhaps see you next year same place same period :)
Yes a big thanks to you rider_tiger to give us a place to express our feeling !
Does anybody know when people on the reserve list who have been funded last year were advertised ? I guess it was not before the end of January or maybe later ...?
Nothing yet... Anyways...
Thanks to rider-tiger for this great hub page. We all made "virtual friends", shared experiences, learned many things. That is how scientists should work. I hope that we will all be back next year and celebrate together our fellowships. And, in the meantime share tips for preparing a winning proposal. So, let's stay connected.
Marry Chrsitmas and a happy and better New Year.
Agreed, I was so happy to find this page! Even to have people to commiserate with! :)
@nano
I think you generally have to wait until April to find out if negotiations fail. Maybe a few people would decline right away but it takes quite a while, from what I understand.
December 23th and still in the mist!
Merry Christmas to all the people who partecipated to this forum! Wish you good luck for your research career!
Probably, they didn't want to send thousands of rejection letters right before Christmas. Although Europe is running out of money, at least good manners are still respected...
@ Rainer
That looks like a valid justification :-)
I'm disappointed because I thought today was the day, they'll probably give us the results next week (i hope that it could be tomorrow, you never know)
Until that moment : Merry Christmas !
Merry Christmas and good luck for everyone here!!
I hope we have news before the end of the year!
Happy holidays all...
Hello everybody ! I have a question which is quite imortant for me. I will really appreciate information form current and ex Marie Curie Fellows. I won a MC-IEF fellowship this year. After I won it the Host Organization (a University) told me and the scientist in charge that the money for the overheads (which as you know are fixed) are not enough. This was rather strange because they said this after I won the grant. Currently they are not sure if they can host me (they want 5 times more for overheads). So I have 2 questions (1)Does anyone have similar experience ? (2)Are there any general rules (pulished by the EU) on how a MC fellow should be hired ? I am really confused about this last-minute requirement by the host, and I do not understand if that is general practice or not. What confuses me even further is that they want more money for overheads specifically not consumables. So again - I would appreciate some info.
I cannot believe they refused it after you got the scholarship. The project officer might drop your project and give it to whoever is next on the list.
I believe the host wants to do that because they may want to use the overhead money for consumables perhaps? You should talk to them and clarify that.
If that does not work, I think you have but one option, talk to the project officer.
Hi,
I don't believe it neither. The officer was kind enough to tell me that there are still options (changing the host), which I will probably take. Still have time to the 22nd of January to figure this out. But what I wanted to know is that this is not common practice. I am I right ? I spoke to several people and they were quite surprised.
I am surprised as well. The host should know better.
Hi Guy, I am also surprised and this sounds quite suspicious. Everything depends on the impression that you have of your host: If you think that they just want to take advantage of your fellowship to receive some additional funds for their own purposes, rather than caring for your project in the first place, you should definitely try to change the host. Every host should be aware that hosting a research fellow is a commitment and not a simple way to get funds.
Yes - you said it suspicious. I am not sure what to do. They insist that is the ofical policy now and want 5 times more money for overheads only.
@ Guy
I got the IIF grant at ETH and I am not having any issues like you described. Your university may actually be legally bound to accept you. Did they have to sign some forms when you submitted your application? Can you tell me what University it was, btw? I am curious to know if it's a British one because of austerity measures.
@Guy, Is it possible to change your host ?
@Fox I don't want to go into details right now (I will eventually because I am pissed of) but the university is not British. I don't know if they are legally bound to accept me. I can't do much right now - everybody is in vacation. I hpo in mid-January the issue will be resolved (with the original host or by changing the host). At some point I will tell more about this because I think it is very wrong must not be a practice.
@nano Yes, you can change the host. They told me it was a new procedure, and involves evaluation of the new host (not re-evaluation of the whole project). I don't think is recommended, but at some point I may have no other choice.
Hey Guy, I have a similar thing happening to me and from what I understood it's quite normal to have expensive overheads in my Institute. What will happen is that my boss will cover the remaining value to fully cover the overheads for the Institute.
I was told that every Institute has a fixed percentage that they require, but EU won't pay more than 10% to them. And by some law, the Institute is not allowed to take the remaining from your salary-that's where the boss comes in.
Try negotiating with your boss, they should be used to handle this situation.
I'm surprised that you can change the host.
Is it also possible that the host changes the candidate? This is rather worrying...
does anybody know when the rank list is due?
are all the letters sent already? The NCP in my country said that we should wait and that letters haven't been sent to everyone yet. Do you think there's still hope to get one? And...is there a B list for the CAR as well (there are only 17 projects financed out of 108 based on the ppt mentioned above)
@cell Thanks cell ! I tried this, but as I said they want something like 5 times the EU contribution, and my boss says it is too much for him, so my hope is that I'll manage to change the host.
@Guy
If the Uni is in the UK I can believe in it, if not -> it is a great surprise for me. I have now 2 individual MC Fellow with me from the previous year and :( was waiting for one more this year but it looks like no chance.
1. It is very suspicious that you can easily change the Host (it is one of the criterion to be satisfied and EU should ask for an additional evaluation (of the new Host) or simple reject you [it is written at each document that EU has right to stop the negotiation at any stage!]
2. However, if it is true -> go for the best option for you. Usually, Host professor should have enough power to persuade his/her university research office. Of course, an option is he/she will pay the difference from other sources (this means -> you are really good one J )
3. Tell us please in which panel you are. Just in case. Maybe, if you still have the problem, some of us will be able to help you with a new Host. But the best option, if the problem continues, contact someone from your area who is good enough!
Good luck with this strange problem I would say...
@t
that is still a mystery, no clear answers as different NCPs are giving different replies.
Well, 5 times is in fact quite a lot... in my case EU contributes with half and I thought it was already too much for the lab to cover the other half.
But there should be a legal limit for overheads... from what you're telling me your Institute is asking for 50%? that sounds way too much... I know that for all grants the same rule applies, have you asked around if everybody there gives half of their grants to the Institute?
@Guy,cell
It is impossible to ask for more from the EU than those 10% overhead (in fact there is also a portion for management here! so all together maybe even near 15-20%. It depends on whether you are ExR (then more) or MExR (then less)). But this should be NOT YOUR PROBLEM!
It is an internal matter of your Host Uni. They can:
1. agree with what they would have from EU, and that's it.
2. Ask for the Department (the Host professor) to cover the difference (for the Uni administration)
3. do NOT accept the EU grant.
The last is the most dangerous case for you as it is your recent Host is the coordinator of your grant (not you!) and I cannot understand how YOU can change the Host! Formally speaking, it is him/her should reject the offer first and ask EU to change the Host... It all sounds for me as SF :(...
@GE
Thank you for the additional info.
I can not change the host. The original host can agree to be substituted with a new one. And this requires evaluation of the new host. I see why you think this is impossible (the host is an integral part of the whole proposal), but I asked the project officer and he said that there is such an option, although the procedure was heavy, and I don't think they do it that often.
Both the Scientist in Charge and the PO are sympathetic to the case. I have an option for a new host, but again I don't want to change hosts if this is not absolutely necessary.
The problem is strange I agree. It is quite suprprising for me, as well as for everybody else I talked to. The host demands a huge sum for overheads only, and I do not know how do they justify such a requirement. As you said this is an internal matter. I hope foe a "peaceful solution", but I have no idea how things are going to play out and what is the logic behind them (I am 2000 kilometers away). That is why I am asking. The university is not British. Once things are setteled I wil probably tell the full story.
@cell Yes - they as for 50% :-).
@Guy
in the UK the standard UK research grants have usually the so called FEC (Full Economic Cost) procedure which sometimes is near 80-90% of the total amount (Personally I believe it is not sustainable at least in recent financial environment). And this is a fully legal requirement in the UK! But, many UK University understand that EU grants (in particular Marie Curie) have other construction and agree to take MC Fellows. This explains, why UK universities are not so happy with the EU funding.
@cell
I am not sure we are speaking about the same things! If you think of funding which is necessary to buy things for your experiments it is OTHER story. "They asked" you said, whom :)?
And I am not in the UK either.
It should be illegal to ask for 50%, I will ask around to see if I can find out more info on that.
@GE
No, I'm not talking about money for my experiments, I'm talking about the overheads that Institutes ask for managing (or whatever) your project.
It is usually a percentage of all "direct costs" of the grants, in this case the salary. It's their money, I wish I could see any of this for my experiments!
@GE Yes, the university calls it Full Economic Cost. Thanks for the information for the UK practice, it may be useful.
@cell
It is illegal (according to the EU low!) to ask from you (any portion from your salary) as any contribution for your Host institution. It is illegal (again EU law) to take any portion from the category E (ToK, research money) as their overhead. The only what your Uni can do is... to take their total overhead-management (Category H). If they have taken from you anything else you should immediately contact EU PO (via your Researcher-in-charge) or directly. Please explain in more details then I probably will be able to advice you something more specific.
@GE Thank you very much - you are already helping a lot !
The grant is in "Negotiation phase". After I won it the Uni-administration told to the Scientist in Charge that a posdoc should bring a lot more per year (50K) for overheads, than planned in the project (10K per year). As I said before this came as a surprise to all of us. Now things are in the hands of my future (hopefully) boss. A viable alternative is changing the host as I explained. But I still hope he will be able to convince them. I really don't know - is there any legal rule which prohibits the host to make such a reqiuirement AFTER the fellowship was won ?
Hi
The whole story seems strange to me
1- First when you applied with the host institute, you knew in advance how much you will get in terms of EU funding. All these information and how much you will get in each EU member states are clearly stated in the guide for applicants. Therefore claiming that the overheads are not enough is not valid from my point of view. When I applied with the host institute I know and the host institute knew how much we will get (salary, travel, administrative and lab expenses) and we got the same amount of money that we calculated before I submitted.
2- If the host institute miscalculated which I think is stupid if so, then I think it is there problems not yours. You have invested so much time and effort in writing the application with them and after you got it they can not refuse to take it because of their bad mathematics.
@MA Well, these are all are very reasonable points. I hope these arguments would be enough.
@Guy
I am afraid, there is NO legal law or procedure to punish your Institution for their requirement (clerks simply are doing their job...). You should understand, administration (any!) is about MONEY, not research, teaching, scientific progress, and other nice words... If someone from the TOP of your Host abolishes (take responsibility for this!) their own FEC in favour of this particular case (or your scientist-in-charge has enough funds to pay the difference from his/her Department to the administration) then... you are going to your Host as MC Fellow.
If nothing like this happens, you'll have the only risky option to start "changing Host" procedure.
Unfortunately, EU has not delivered any procedure to help you. Moreover, it is the EU procedure (higher than usual post-doc salary and lower than local rules overhead) is the source of the problem... EU though it would protect researchers... and expected that the University would appreciate this additional funding...
However, if you (your scientist-in-charge) have had any preliminary (better written) internal! application to the Host research office and they have agreed before the submission with this - this is a legal case for YOU (rather your scientist-in-charge) to sue them (what I cannot believe as you cannot win against the institution being 20000000 km away). But the administration can be afraid of the noise and this is the only half-legal pressure mechanism (under condition if your scientist-in-charge had their approval before the submission!).
@GE OK - thank you for the info !
@All
The main point is:
you can formally apply for individual MC grant WITHOUT informing your future Host! Only after the submission, the Host formally informed. And this gives the administration rights to refuse the funding.
However, as I have mentioned above, if your researcher-in-charge formally informed the administration (better in writing and in accordance with the institution procedures) and they approved the case - then he/she can start internal procedure to fight against CHANGING DECISION with a very good chances to win (simply by going UP).
@Guy
If turned that the host institute refuse your grant because of what you have mentioned I would encourage you to give us more information about the host institute and the department you applied with and believe me we can raise a very disturbing reputation for them. I believe that researchers are suffering in Europe because of lacks of funds. You were successful in getting funds and I can not believe that it will turn against you. I promise you if you give these information I would write in the media about your case.
hi, anyone know if more acceptance letters will be sent?
@MA I really appreciate your offer. I am not that afraid about loosing this grant - there will be other grants. But I am not rushing to give details because(1) This could hurt the reputation of the Scientist in Charge, and in this case he has done nothing wrong - he is trying to make things work; (2) I want to have all the facts before telling the full story. But like yourself I do think that we have to speak up about such cases. We all know how hard it is to win a Marie Curie grant for example. So I definitely don't want for any other researchers to be in my position - "You won the grant but you can't use it." I am not an accountant, a lawyer or policy maker. The Full Economic Cost idea probably has it's reasons, and probably is legal. But the end result in this case is that a perfectly good project with funding may not be realized. And the reason for this failure financial, logistical or whatever should b very clearly and well formulated.
@Guy,
You might also consider the following:
- Make sure that the officers at your host and at EU speak the same language. Officers not familiar with EU grants might seriously misunderstand EU overhead policy (I do not pretend to be an expert but had such problems with a quite different EU grant at my university - I had to explain why the numbers have changed at the negotiation stage).
- Try to find out whether your host institute has / had any other MC fellows and if yes, how did they overcome the very same problem you have (provided it is not completely novel). I understand you do not want to give more details but I would consider filling us in with some, there might be people familiar with such situation at your host (or similar ones in the country in question).
I know that none of the above could be easy, though (or you might ave done both already).
@Guy
You are doing well! (1) Try your best to have things right within options 1-2. (2) If you see that things are going wrong - try the last option 3. (3) If you need some advice ask your PO, Sc-i-Ch and your local NCP (also try here, if you need some help).
It is very difficult to change a policy (EU, your country, even a particular University). Even if you publicise the story, I cannot imagine this helps. I am rather pessimistic... But the best idea to ensure that every researcher has a kind of agreement with the future host before the submission. In fact, UK Universities require such internal application and ONLY NOW I see this makes sense :).
I can give you a fresh example (a real one) of probably not the best idea. That is the CAR panel. Imagine a woman with 2 small children who does not stop working (teaching + doing her research) has applied for MC and is just slightly below the threshold in her scientific panel and above that for CAR. Any comments on this case?
Guys - thank you for your support and for the information ! As soon as I have a resolution of this issue I will fill you in. This case could be of use to other MC applicants.
Unfortunately now everyone is in vacation, and I will have new information after the 10th of January.
@GE The case with the woman you mentioned sounds rather unfair...
@AB news will arrive soon (i.e., if we are on the B or C list), probably next week, nevertheless we'll probably have to wait more to know if extra funding will be available
I think that since it's vacation time for EU till the 10th we will probably know more by then.
Dear all,
anything new?
Hi! Happy New Year.
No News as far as I know.... Still List B is not available.
Cheers
Hi, everyone. I applied this year for the third time for MC-IEF (panel MAT), and this year I got it! The first time I passed all the thresholds but with only 76.9 points (list C). Then in 2009, with a completely reworked proposal, I got 82.6, and as I later found out from the NCP, the cutoff had been 83.6... This year I got 92.2 points.
The previous years, I never got any letter at all, neither rejection nor reserve list. I know which list I am on only from the list on the website (which was out in December both years). That list this year is still not out.
Advice:
(1) Don't wait for a letter if you still haven't got one, but instead check the website. If you find that you are on the B-list, then keep checking because they publish updates ("progress"). The projects are sorted by points, so you can see how far down you are on the reserve list.
(2) If resubmitting MC-IEF, address all the points of the evaluators, address all criteria exactly, stick to titles of subsections etc. This year, I added a page at the end with a list of how I had addressed the negative points of the evaluators.
(3) Don't despair, keep trying.
@rider_tiger: Another question. Is there a hub for successful candidates who are struggling with the paperwork? Where can I find advice for that?
@csilla Congrats! What is the website to check exactly? thanks
@csilla
Thats a good question I cannot answer at the moment but I will try to write a hub or something on it if/when I have enough knowledge on the subject.
@dd:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio
The updated lists appear under "Additional documents"
@CSillia Congratulations! You say that you added a page with a list of how you addressed the negative points. Was the page part of the 25 pages of the proposal and if so in which section, or did you just added it to the document outside of the pages?
@okv: I added it outside of the 25 pages, after the Ethical Issues Table, and before the final page. I also added a note on the cover page, stating the number of the previous proposal and a pointer to this list. The idea to add a list of how the evaluator's points had been addressed, had come from the NCP.
@dd: the url of the proposal list didn't come out right. Go on the page cordis... etc., people, closed calls, and then on MC-IEF-2010, then additional documents.
My questions re the paperwork for successful candidates: The "Personal Career Development Plan" and the "agreement" (as opposed to the grant agr.) never have to be submitted to the REA, right? Are there any model PCDP and agreements around? Does anyone know?
The final result A, B, C ranking are now in
research participants portal website.
Congratulation to all who got this time. My advance wishes to who apply future...
@ Klng Ram
How we can access the portal for A, B, C list?
Thanks
Thanks King Ram ERL, I am on the reserve list so wait and see ...............
@nano
Congratulation ! I am also on the reserve list (IEF ENV)... but my score is lower than yours !
There are 19 proposals in the IEF ENV reserve list !!!!
Hi all guys and thank you very much for yours posts and info!
I'm in the IEF/SOC panel, ranked in the B group. I have 89,90. Is there someone in the IEF/SOC reserve list with more than 89,90?
Hi All.
@King Ram ERL many thanks for the news!
I am also on the list B (IEF-ENV).
I think we could produce here a "local" ranking and if one has an invitation in future it would be clear for others where they are to that point! What do you think?
I remember:
REALIST=88.6
JW=88.5
LEO=85
what about you R1 and nano?
That's right!
We should recreate the rankings with the contribution of all of us. If authorities are silent, subsidiarity is the only solution: democracy from below!
Got on IEF LIF B-list with a score of 87.7 - together with about 40 others so chances are slim...
@Rob
Do you mean we need to use the following format:
Call-Panel: ACRONYM = SCORE
or something else? Acronym allows to elliminate double counting (with the same person joining with different nicks...)
Would be nice if tiger :) would create the final table then every new incomer could see it and add her/his score in the respective B group
@ JW
Maybe someone could not appreciate to publicly declare his acronym and score. I suggest to use the nicks. I counted 24 project in IEF/SOC B.
So:
IEF/SOC, B
Rob 89,90
I don't think people would be willing to submit their acronym and score here, but I can make a table for Call panel, nick and score. Double posting would not be possible by the same person under different nicks because 1. there is no logic behind doing that except culprit, 2. There is a way for me to see someone posting twice, even when they are under different nicks (no, I cannot see their real names or anything like that).
I think you guys can summarize them here at the comments and I can add them periodically to the text.
@ rider_tiger
you're great!
IEF-ENV
REALIST=88.6 (= anxious ?)
JW=88.5
LEO=85
R1 =88.2
nano "just below the 'spanish'cut-off' so 88.9 ?
IIF, score 88.5 list A, though i have not received any letter. Is there anyone else from A list who have not received a letter?
I have just added a small table at the top of the comments.
Hi everyone,
I found my project in the A list but I have not (neither by supervisor) received any formal letter about entering into negotiation so far. I was thinking its over but now I am confused. should I be happy? Any previous experiences?
Hi
I did not receive any formal letter as well. Yet my project is on the A list (IOF/ENG).
I assume that until recently it was on the B list.
Can I rely on the published results and celebrate?
These who are in the A list and have not received a letter from the EU should contact them immediately because the one which got letters (like me) had to submit the negotiation papers by the 22 this months and If it is the case with you then you have a short time to do so
i am in the B list ENG with 86.4. good luck to all
Hi everyone
I still haven't received the letter and I'm on the A list. Does anyone know to which email address should we contact the MC people and explain this situation?
Thanks
Hi everybody, I followed the discussion but I never posted so far. I'm in IEF-SOC with a score of 89.80 and I'm on the B list. I contacted the NCP and they confirmed that the cutoff for my panel is the Spanish one (89.90). I already asked about my position in the reserve list and they told me they cannot give me this information. However, they told me that since I'm very close to the cutoff, it might be possible to hear from them soon. Good luck to everybody in the reserve list!
Hi all,
like Berez and Sansun I never received an invitation letter but am on this list with A. (IIF ENG score = 88.9).
I contacted my NCP (UK) and they seem to think either the letter is in my junk mail box or I gave the wrong email address. Both of these ideas are wrong - I've checked. My supervisor never received the letter either.
I'm relieved to hear there are others in the same situation. Please write if you have further developments.
@fingerscrossed
@KHF
What does NCP mean? Where did you find the information to contact them? I want to contact someone to ask them about the invitation letter, which I haven t received yet! Thanks a lot
@gracy11
NCP stands for National Contact Point. You can find the telephone numbers and e-mail addresses following this link:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ncp_en.html
Tip: in the NCP function, select "Mobility"
@KHF
I also received the same message from UK NCP. They also told me that they will ask Europ. comm. to resend the letter. Like you I am also sure that I never received it. I have asked my supervisor to check his spam mail.
@fingerscrossed
Thank you very much!!!!
IIF SOC 91.3 B list.
oh my god!!!!! I'm on A list...but I never receive the negotiation mail. I'm absolutely sure the mail is not in the junk mail, as I have received the evaluation scores (and also my supervisor) but not the negotiation letter. what happens??? it is a dream????????????
I am in the A list (IEF ENV) and I didn't receive any letter to my email address, but my supervisor has already received the email with the "invitation to negociate". Does anyone from the list A has received a personal email?
@C
congrats!
It seems there are many of us who haven't received the negotiation mails. I received all other mails from REA so they have my correct email ID. My NCP sent the following reply to my query:
" Just to say that the REA has confirmed that the invitation for negotiation has been sent on 08/12/2010 for the A list to the scientist in charge (cc contact and fellow). They will resend the letter so you should receive it today or tomorrow hopefully."
@sansun
I just got that same response from UK NCP.
But it seems very strange to me that there are so many people in this position.
@csara
what was your score please?
@sansun
I hope it is not a error, as we are not alone in this 'no-mail' situation. I nearly had a stroke... in Italy is holiday today, so I've just wrote to my NCP contact but I'm not sure they will reply me before next monday. if you have any news about our situation please let me know. I think it will be the best nigth of my life!!
@JW
95 (ENV-IEF)
I contacted the German NCP and they said me my project (89,90 IEF/SOC) is "one of the first proposals on the reserve list". Fingercrossed said he was told the spanish cutoff is right.
So I guess there are two or more projects ex aequo at 89,90 and then the others.
I update the IEF/SOC B (cutoff 89,90):
Rob 89,90
fingerscrossed 89,80
@berez
Hi how do you know which list you are on for the IOF, what is the website please?
thanks
@dd
go to : http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal and then to 'FP7 calls'. it is similar to the cordis site, but I don't know the differences.
good luck!
I have made it onto the B-list in IEF-PHY with 87.1. Does anyone else on the IEF-PHY-B want to share their scores?
Again the bad news from my NCP:
"I am very sorry but we just had another message form the Research Executive Agency (REA) saying that there has been an error in the publication of the A list for the IIF and IOF calls. They have just updated the information on the Portal and your proposal is in the B not the A list."
Now, what the hell is happening?
I tried to check the website again but its not opening, I think they are updating.I hope this doesn't happen with others in the same category.
IEF/CAR 88,2pt on B list
There are 6 projects in the B list. Is the spanish cut-off real? (=88,3pt are A?)
@ sansun
oh no....
I find the new pdf... I'm on B list
stupid stupid website!!
@sansun
same happened to me
@ sansun & KHF
I'm on IOF and you?
@ C & KHF
I am on IIF-CHE.
Its very sad!
I still could not get the updated pdf.
@ C & KHF
I am on IIF-CHE.
Its very sad!
I still could not get the updated pdf.
Hey guys, one comment. I am in IOF reserve list. Today I found out that one of the project in the A list of this year (CHE-IOF) has the same acronym of a project that has been signed last year after being on the reserve list. The project is called Peptide Dendrimers. Anyone knows something about this? Does this mean that there will be one extra place for CHE IOF?
thanks
Anyone in the CHE-IOF reserve list? I have 89.9 score, anyone else with other scores?
@C & sansun
IIF ENG
The pdf I downloaded just now still says I am A. I guess they are still in the process of updating.
@ sansun: where are you looking for the updated pdf? thanks
@ C & KHF
Our waiting period starts all over again.......
These guys are incredible, it was not enough a long waiting! Now, we also got mixed up ranking list. EU people, stop drinking wine, please.
yes, it's unbelievable... how is it possible they make a so big error... they are playing with our future. I'm very angry now.
Updated: IIF SOC 91.3 C list. Next Year!!
by the way, if results were ready on 15 december (as the pdf states), why wait so long to publish them on the website? just cruelty?
CHE-IOF 88.4 = C list
Maybe another year, but IOF is probably out, since I'm already in the US.
@ C
I think they are enjoying our suffering
By the way, they have not updated the lists yet. I am still in A list.
@sansun : maybe you are A after all...?
@ SANSUN
it depends on the way you use to get into the website. you see the differences between pages looking under
Latest information on Call.
you'll find
05?01?2011 [-]
or
06?01?2011 [-]
the update pdf is, of course, on the page 06?01?2011
do not go into by 'Latest info' but by 'people' and then 'closed calls'.
it is just a mess and I can't believe they have done so big careleness!!
I had already called my supervisor and started celebrating... so sad.
@sansun
I thought this for a long time - until I closed the browser and completely reloaded the page. But now I can see the list is different - I am B. You can check you have the new list by looking at page 2, number of proposals on status A is 137 (if yours says 163 that is the old version).
@ c & KHF
I have reloaded the page several times in new window. I am still seeing the old file 05?01?2011, no matters from where I enter the site.
@ c & KHF
Well I see that IOF is updated but not IIF.
@ t
I pray that you are right, but it doesn't look like so.
I pray that you are right, but it doesn't look like so.
@ KHF
I think you are also from IIF. Can you mail me the updated pdf?
talktostrangers2000@yahoo.com
Sansun, I think you should be optimist. I think you are probably in the border of accepted grants. Even if you are in the B list in the updated pdf, I am sure you will get the grant anyway. I am sure you are on top of the reverse list and so you were probably in the A group previously, that is why they mixed up. Now, they just want to be sure that the money will be enough for all of those that are above you and I am sure as soon as they make sure of this they will contact you to have the grant signed.
Wait a second.........I got the updated list now and I am B here.
Don't know, just a few seconds ago it was showing old list.
Phew! long waiting now
@ IOF-CHE
I hope you are right. But this long waiting is painful. Let see.
In IOF they did the same. There is a proposal in IOF-CHE that was in the A list and now is in the B list (PALLAS). I am sure this will be the proposal that will get in among the reserve list proposals...
Hi guys,
At 6pm I was in the A list and two hours after in the B!! What the f*** is going on with EU?? I am in GMT+3 so my question is: is usually there someone in Brussels' offices at this time???
Finally, is someone download and save the first list?
Let me know because I am really angry now... and I would like to have proof!
Thanks everyone for all your posts. It is my first one, but you were the only support I had during all this long waiting time.
I also appear on the B list now, and was on the A list this morning! I'm really angry with the way these people handle the results...
Does anyone have the first pdf saved?
If you are on the B list, how do you know your exact position and your chances to get a fellowship? Is additional information published later on anywhere? Or do we only get to know if we are A or B or C..?
there is no way to know the exact position in the reserve list. Again, my guess is that people that were in the A list in the wrong version and now are in the B list are probably the people that are on top of the reserve list. I am sure they will get the grant after all. EU just wants to be conservative and makes sure that there will be enough money...
@ WellDoneEU
I have downloaded the first version of the pdf but only for IOF. Is it your action?
I'm in the same situation as well as many other people here (see above comments)that celebrate the A list and after a while realized that they were in B list in the updated version. It's a shame, but I can guess we are at the top of B list.
I realize that in the old version of the pdf (the lucky one) there were more funded proposal of what indicated by the reliable ppt of the REA that we found on the spanish website, whereas in the updated version (the unlucky one)the number of successful proposal coincide with the number in the ppt.
I have also understand that errors were made only in IOF and IIF and not in IEF.
hoping this could be helpful.
Do you think that if for example in the mean time as you're waiting for the negotiations to proceed (being on the B list) you get other work option
and then you get invited for MC after all and you turn down the MC, does that mean you never can apply for this grant with a different project?
Or it doesn't matter?
Hey guys, thanks for the updated info.
CHE-IOF here on the B-list with a score of 91.1
Had given up hope. Not sure if it is a good or back thing to be back on the line. Was in turmoil over Christmas with this.
Can someone post the first (now incorrect) IOF pdf?
In case anyone will find this useful, I contacted my NCP and he advised me that my B-list score of 87.1 in IEF-PHY was very nearly in the middle of the B-list, i.e. around number 10 out of 19 B-listers.
I think last year 9 out of 20 on the B-list were funded, but that is no guarantee of anything.
best of luck to all of you who are still waiting for a result.
@RobbieG: hey, I am also in the IOF-CHE but with a lower score. Is there any chance your proposal is PALLAS? Otherwise, I think I am definitively out since I will have 2 proposals before mine, please let me know, bye
@C
Yes I am in the IOF action. Could you send me this file?
of course. give me your email and I will send it to you!
@ WellDoneEU
which panel?
@IOF-CHE
Sorry, it is not PALLAS
@C
Maybe you can post up the pdf file on a fileserver such as megaupload? I'm not sure people want to post their email addresses?
@sansun I think you should not give up hope sansun, I remember you had quite a high score and I really wish you get the fellowship. I am also impressed of how temperate you have been, especially after the ups and downs, and even the mistakes in the ranking list! Whatever the outcome, I think that an apology letter from Brussels would be a sensible thing to expect...
Good luck to all of you!
@IOF-CHE
I just read you comments, I guess PALLAS is ahead of both of us. Anyway, my advice is to forget about it until April.
By the way, I can't find a NCP for Mobility for Ireland. Does anyone know who it is here?
@ all
I have put the old version of results (05 jan 2011) of IOF.
you'll find it at :
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4WKK5I8J
once opened the link you have to wait some seconds and then click on 'download standard'.
the site says the pdf is available from now up to 21 days if I understood correctly.
the new version of results can be found into CORDIS site (http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio or into the research partecipant portal.
I think from tomorrow I'll stop reload this page daily, but I hope that if anyone has some news (especially those on B list) will inform all of us on this page.
So...it was nice to have shared with you this adventure, and I hope next time will be the successful one.
Good luck for everything to all of you! it's time to publish good papers now!
Bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@C
This is exactly what I want! Thank you very much man!
I don't know if this pdf will be useful but at least, in few years, I could laugh about this story by looking it!
Well, I was on the B list on the first pdf and remain on the B list in the second... Many people that was on the B list are now out... The bad news (for me) is that people that was on the A list and being now on the B one are on top and it still exists a chance for them...
@RobbieG: I guess you are right. I am sure PALLAS will get it and probably, since PEPTIDE DENDRIMERS seems to get the funding from last year, I guess that there will be another place available. Good luck with that! I am probably out.
@ WellDoneEU
you're welcome!
P.S. I'm a girl
Just heard from my NCP that with 87.7 I am the 41st of the 46 proposals on the B-list - at least the good news is that I can stop hoping and also that I can use the claim that I 'almost' ;) made it to extend the funding I am on at the moment - good luck to everyone else and thanks for the support!
PS. The previous comment is on the IEF-LIF panel :)
@ MD
Could you please say me/us which is your NCP?
Mine didn't reveale my position (L.A. confindential...)
@RL
Thank you for your thoughts.
I am not very hopeful now.
There are 6 applicants in B-list in my panel (IIF-CHE). If you go by last year's results, only one made it from the B-list.
My NCP just informed me that my position on the reserve list was 2nd for IOF-CHE with a mark of 91.1, if this is of use to anyone. I was also told that only those that are first or second on the least stand a chance. Since CHE is a small panel, I guess that puts my out too.
Its strange that some NCPs have this info while others don't have or don't want to share.
My NCP is not giving it to me.
@RobbieG: I would not be so pessimistic. Again, there is one proposal with the same acronym of a proposal that last year was in the B list and now is under negotiation. It may be that this project will be withdrawn because it cannot take the funding from two calls. Why don't you ask your NCP about this project? it is called Peptide Dendrimer. If you look at the status of the calls presented in 2009 you will see that now a project with the same acronym is under signture (ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
@Rob: my proposal concerns the Swiss NCP
ok, thanks a lot MD!
I was on the B list in the old pdf and I still remain there in the new one, together with other ten guys. I got 88.40, in the IOF-LIFE panel. Waiting for the reply from my NCP...
@jw and others. Realist=anxious, ief-env score 88.6 on B-list.
@Realist
many thanks for the information. This means I am a bit up on the list ;)
@rider_tiger
Please correct the table above :).
@All in IEF-ENV
bearing im nind that the spanish cut-off score is 88.9
it should be at least one more proposal with 88.8...
anyone else in IIF-CHE from B list?
I have 90.5 in this panel.
@nano
Are you on the IEF-ENV list B with (as I undertood from above) 88.9? If yes, please confirm this. Then rider-tiger could add you to the table.
Could someone summarize the correct and added info?
@rider_tiger
My understanding is that
on the list B in IEF-ENV there should be:
Nano - 88.8/88.9 ???
REALIST=anxious - 88.6
JW - 88.5
R1 - 88.2
LEO - 85.0
I also guess that there should be someone between Nano and REALIST-anxious. Otherwise, they are cruel wrt Nano...
@Nano,
Please confirm.
@All on the list B IEF-ENV.
Ask, please your NCP on your position on the list.
I've done this and will hopefully have ANY answer on Monday. Even if not all NCP provide the information, having something definite at least from one/two together with our table will show us the full picture...
IIF PHY score 88.5 - B list in the corrected version. If anyone from IIF PHY B list, please post here your score. The spanish cut-off is 88.6, and there are 6 people in B list. If someone learnt from a local contact point his place in IIF PHY B-list that would be helpful to know together with the score. This way we could have an idea of what to expect before "April the earliest", as they say.
I am in B list SOC IEF, with 89,2
I have updated the table, you can look at it and see if I am missing your score...
Dear rider_tiger
Could you give a reference to the table? Where i can find it?
Sorry, i found it on this same page. I am there.
hi, i'm on the SOC IEF reserve list with 89.2. Anyone know how good my chances are?
IEF SOC, if it can be of any help, I am in the B list with a 88.9 score. Certainly no chances for me.
@rider_tiger
Please add to my score in the table (in a parenthesis?)
9-th on the B list
I have the answer from my NCP. Cut-off for IEF-ENV is indeed 88.90%. But then, several proposals scored the same...
@nano
Good luck to you in hope and waiting!
@All
See you next year here :) and good luck for future!
I took a look on old posts and this could be the partial B list for IEF/SOC:
Rob 89,90
fingerscrossed 89,80
afg 89,40
Tom 89,20
ra 89,20
Nara 88,90
ozon 88,80
Trowel 88,50
Any other info, please?
I have updated the table. Thanks for the summary.
just a late reflexion, for the record, under these conditions, with these high thresholds and few money,
applying for a Marie Curie is no use; in many branches (at least for the Humanities) they are not going to fund more than one proposal by discipline and country.
Honestly if have knew that I would have gone to the beach...
Can anyone tell me where can I find the final result of IIF,2010?I am an applicant for IIF in CHE and my score is only 79.9. I am quite aware that I have literally no chance but I would like to know my position in the list.Can anyone please help?
What about IEF/CAR? There are 6 B proposals waiting in line... Is the cut-off 88.2% and a lot of us scored the same or is it higher?
@ sohelchem
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/a
then go to 'Latest Info' tab under 'FP7 calls'
I am on the IEF-ENV list B with 88.9, excatly in the cut-off. You can add my score in the table.
@ rider_tiger
I'm on IOF - ENV, list B, with 90.9
thanks
I got 88.0 IEF-ENV and got placed into the C list please add to list.
@ rider_tiger
IOF not IEF for me
@robobobo
I am at IEF-PHY B-list with 87. I guess that puts me to place 10-11, so slim chances... Maybe next year
IEF
ENV
B
LEO
85.0
and
IEF
ENV
C
Hilly Billy
88.0
So, what is actually the criteria this people use to place a certain proposal in a certain category. I have been observing the discussion on this website and looking at the development of the story including my own evaluation, and tend to believe that there is something very unjust in the evaluation. There is no guarantee that in some cases the process is not biased in case the referees know the applicant and boosts his result. In fact, i am sure that this is the case in certain circumstances. As long as there is no a transparency in the evaluation process and results (numbers) are not published, they can basically make any choice they want. I happened to apply in CHEM IEF, my project was heavily based on theory development, but applications were planned as well. It was evaluated with 83 in total, but it was striking that, for instance, the project section received superlatives, but at the end it scored only with 4.30. At the same time, the supervisor and the fellow received some not very nice, i would say unjustified comments, but still scored with 4.10 and 4.15.
The situation was the same with the other sections. There was no consistency between comments and scores, or very little after all. It made me also a strong impression that the scores for all sections were set between 4.10 and 4.3. As long as i do not have a detailed explanations, how were those scores built and the report of each of the referees, nobody can convince me that the result was not simply subject to a referee's good or bad intentions. My believe is also strongly supported by some of the comments given for the fellow (me), which were merely designed to discourage anybody's efforts.
In conclusion, those who did not get the fellowship, do not despair and think less of yourself! There might be and there are many factors that would play a role in this evaluation process. Factors, beyond your reach.
1. Leo is possibly wrong for his rank?
2. It is impossible evaluation at scores with decimal digits when total is 100. I also evaluate students for such system. This scores are surely nonsence, lie, although I agree that evaluation criteria are quite solid.
@astonished,
You clearly stated that "...nobody can convince me that the result..." so I will not try.
However, you should understand that those with a conflict of interest are strictly forbidden from the evaluations.
I edited the table and Leo is in the correct list now. This table is based on user comments and my ability to place them to the table program they have on this site.
to rider_tiger
I understand, that as a person who has himself evaluated proposals, you would express such an opinion. And i would love this to be really the truth. But it happened so that i know that this is not the case. You stated :
"However, you should understand that those with a conflict of interest are strictly forbidden from the evaluations."
This is a beautiful theoretical statement, the practice is however something different. May be, you were a fare evaluator, and this is really great!
In all cases, i am not interested in arguing at all, i just expressed my opinion, that is all. Everybody has the right to agree or disagree with it.
@astonished
If you got the fellowship, I guess that your thinking would be different, no ? I think we just have to accept this evaluation even if we are on the wrong side ...
Every evaluation is biased and there are no perfect evaluation procedures, although I find the MC process more transparent than many other fellowships - e.g. the EMBO you just get or not without having any idea what could be improved in your proposal if you don't. Don't take it personal, try and improve your proposal and hope you have more luck next time!
to @o
This is really my last posting, since i did not really want to get engaged into a discussion. Getting or not the fellowship is not vital for me. This was just a try. I have more pragmatic attitude to such applications which is:
if i get it, good for me, if not, well there are other possibilities i will try. Of course, i realize, that not everybody out there is in the position to think like me. People really need those fellowships, they care about them very much, they are stressed all the way, they give the best they can to achieve the best possible result.
I can not help, however, not noticing my evaluation result in combination with all the inconsistencies of the comments, the presence of merely "nasty" comments about fellow and scientist in charge (which is not authorized by the way, officially) and other things, i can not unfortunately share here. Surely, i will not allow somebody out there, even if (s)he is an evaluator to put my enthusiasm down with such comments. Anyway, this is of no importance anymore.
My initial point was, that people who did not get the fellowship should not think they are on the wrong side or their work is worse that the others work. That's all!
I agree with your inital point
I also think that for people who have "equal proposals", the way how the proposal is writen is very important and can make the difference (I mean there are some words that referees want to see). That's why tips are very important for this kink of fellowship
@astonished Being confident that your evaluator did not adhere to the assessment criteria, did to try to use the redress option?
There's an update on the Participants Portal (for IIF - have not checked the others). It's a list with the projects in order - so if you're a B you can see how close you are to the top...
@ KHF
thanks for the update
Updates for IEF and IOF is also there !
there's still hope...
...and I'm happy to have discovered that I'm not the only one still checking the websites!! :-)
What does mean "redress"?
I think, and maybe I am wrong, it's for people who were on the B list first, and after correction of the wrong list appeared in the C list... Why is there nothing like this for people who were first on the A list???
Interestingly, it is still too early to see the status of the lowest ranked 'reserve' projects changed to "Not likely to be funded", even for panels without 'withdrawals' (such as IOF-ENV).
Is there any mentioning of reallocation of the remaining funding between panels at this point?
@Great MC: I think these are the proposals that await a second review. Starting the 'redress' procedure for such reevaluation was no longer possible at the time the score listings were released in January.
ok it may be late and i've been debugging all day but the IEF "ranking" in http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/a looks like it is by proposal number rather than the score of the proposal.
Only the link of sansun worked and proposals are ranked by number not by score.
If somebody got a pdf with ranking by score, it would be really healpfull
Sorry I found the link with the pdf which list proposal by score:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/a
However no proposa have been withdrawn in the priority list
in the pdf: "The first negotiation for proposals on the reserve list will be carried out from March 2011."
It looks like the Peptide Dendrimers in the IOF-CHEM actually got funded from last year instead as it has withdrawn, which means that the PALLAS project in that category should get funded. Well done if it does! The rest of us have a little more hope too.
Personally, I would really like to thank rider_tiger for getting this hub together. Not just for information and tips and tricks. Hearing peoples personal stories through this as well has helped the ups and downs.
Hi guys,
I am about to sign my contract with the host organization soon. Out of curiosity - does anybody know what is the expected net salary (say for the Netherlands) - Living + Mobility allowance. I could not find no such info on the web.
@Eric: Sorry no idea about how much you will get net (depends on family situation, tax etc. - but I am sure it will be enough...) Gross is given in the papers your coordinator got from the REA.
But my question to you, and whoever is on the A list (I am IEF). What happened after your organization submitted on the Participant Portal? We never heard from the REA after submitting, 3 1/2 weeks ago (deadline for negotiations was 19 Jan but my coordinator submitted earlier). Is this the normal way things go? Are you signing your contract with the host organisation before signing the grant agreement with the REA? Or has the grant agreement with the REA already been signed?
@Judith I have not been shy about emailing my project officer. In fact, I have probably annoyed the hell out of her to be honest. So I would send a quick mail just to see where things are at. But...to answer your question, once the project officer closes the negotiation in the portal, the agreement is generated and sent to the REA finance people for approval. Then the agreement is sent to you and to the host institute for signing. I think.
hth!
@skymonkey: 1. You have emailed her personally, or your coordinator has emailed her?
2. How can you see that the negotiation has been closed by the REA officer? What it has been saying on PartPortal, since our submission, is that it has not yet been verified by the Commission. My worry is that they haven't even looked at it, maybe?
3. How long does all this take, expected?
Thanks!
@Judith I emailed her personally. I figured they send the emails from personal work accounts for a reason, so decided to get in touch if I had a question. I never had access to the application portal so I don't know if you can see from it or not whether the negotiation has been closed by the PO or not. I only know in my case because my Project Officer told me she was going to do it (again in response to one of my email questions :-)
I wouldn't be worried that the Commission hasn't looked at your submission! But, to put your mind at ease send a quick email. Again, I don't know about specific timelines, I would imagine it might vary from project to project. My negotiation was closed off around 25th Jan or thereabouts. The agreement is sent to the finance people (maybe this is the "verification" by the Commission, I don't know). And once that happens the agreement is sent (by post I think) to both you and the host for signing.
Hope that helps you :-)
@skymonkey: Thanks a lot for the info.
you have an idea about net salaries for MC IIF?
thanks
Today my host received an email from MC (PHY-IIF panel) that they are going very soon to start negotiations with us (i am the first in the B list). Someone else received?
@BENMIL These vary depending on the country you are going to. A guide to the gross salary is given in the guide for applicants I think, right?. You'll have to try and figure out what the net might be by looking at the tax of the host country and using an online tax calculator.
@BENMIL A friend of mine in the UK is getting roughly 2900 pounds a month after taxes. But Roman-br is right, it varies a lot depending on the country because of the correction factor (around 1.25 for the UK) and the tax level.
A small correction to the table (B list) above on this site: I have got an invitation for negotiations. Thus, some others from the beginning of their B lists i guess also received letters.
@Roman-br Congratulations!
I am 1st on the B-list for IIF-ENG but have not heard anything. Still hoping... Did anyone else get a letter?
there is no change for IIF CHE
My negotiation has been launched with 91.3 for IOF/SOC. Thanks so much to rider-tiger for facilitating this forum!
@sundayschild Well done! What position were you in on the reserve list?
The host institution told me informally that the negatiations have begun (IEF/LIF), but I haven't received any formal communication yet... Is it normal? Anyone else in a similar situation?
Congratulations sundayschild!!
Congratulations to all who got it, and for the rest, better luck next time. Your welcome sundayschild.
@sarina: Did your host receive an email from MC saying that they are going very soon to start negotiations ? If it's the case you should receive an email soon like Roman-br.
It seems that negotiations for people on the reserve lists are beginning ...
hi guys! it seems to me that negotiations for B lists are beginning only for those panels with some "withdrawal".
@SKY and @RL
Thank you much for this information. my host country is Germany and I will use the online tax calculatorto get idea about net salary.it is important to fix the appartement budget..thanks again
I think C is correct. I heard this from the REA via my NCP (UK): "I confirm we have launched the negotiation for the reserve list following withdrawals of proposals in the main list only."
Anyway, I'm the first one of the IEF/SOC reserve list, there's already a withdrawn project within the A group, but none of us (me/my supervisor/host/etc.) has received any mail yet...
@Rob
I haven't seen any withdrawn project in the main list of SOC. Is it an information of your NCP?
@fingerscrossed
No, I haven't contacted my NCP. I just saw that BRONZEAGE-TECH, that was in the A group, has been withdrawn. You can found it at the end of the list.
@fingerscrossed
Sorry: you can FIND it...
Freudian lapsus, I guess...
@ Rob
Thank you! Very good to know...I am sure you will know more soon.
You're welcome!
And I hope...
@Rob
How do you know you are the first one in the B list? Is it an information from your NCP?
@ ra
No, the ranking has been published some weeks ago on CORDIS.
@Rob: Could you specify where, please?
I've only found lists sorted either by
proposal number or by negotiation status.
Thanks.
@bucf If you look at the additional documents on CORIDS you have the "Indicative Funding Decision" and the "Grant Agreement Production Progress 2011". You just have to look if the withdrawal projects of the "Grant Agreement Production Progress 2011" were in the A listof the "Indicative Funding Decision".
Thanks 'waitingforadoodnews?' for your reply.
Probably I miss something here but I don't see
how I can infer the total ranking within e.g. LIF...
If I see a withdrawel in the "GA"-pdf it doesn't
matter whether it was before A,B,C or D in the "IF"-pdf, it will just be mentioned as a withdrawel in the "GA".
Plus, how can the few withdrawels tell me anything
about the total ranking within e.g. LIF.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks.
@bucf The indicative funding decision document is listed by rank. If you are first on the B list in your panel, then it will mean that if someone from the A list in your panel withdraws, then it is very likely you will be invited to start negotiations. By seeing what projects have been withdrawn, and by comparing it with where you are on the B list you can estimate the chances that you will be funded. To be honest, only very few projects will be withdrawn so unless you are in the top couple of projects ranked on the B list, the chances are slim :-(
Thanks 'skymonkey' ... but I'm still confused.
Maybe I'm using the wrong document, I'm speaking about this one, which should be your "indicative funding decision":
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
And there, the proposals are just sorted/ranked according to the proposal numbers.
Probably you guys are right, I just can't see it. Thanks.
bucf, if you are in LIF panel, you will see at the end of the list of the "Grant Agreement Production Progress 2011"that 8 projects have been withdrawn.
If you tape the name of those project in the "Indicative Funding Decision", you will see that those projects were in the A list
to sum up: if you are in the LIF panel and your project are in the 8 first projects in the reserve list, you have a good chance to be founded.
I see this point, however, what you assume is the following:
1. The first project in LIF with the status "Proposal in negotiation" is ranked higher than the second and so.
2. This also holds for "Proposal in selection procedure" and "Reserve List".
But this only holds under the assumption that as soon as one project with status "Proposal in negotiation" changes to "Proposal in selection procedure", it will be ranked again in this section..
This would be a strange system and would, furthermore, not allow to compare the ranks between "Proposal in negotiation" and "Proposal in selection procedure".
In essence, how would you compare the rank of the first project with status "Proposal in negotiation" with the first project in "Proposal in selection procedure"?
I think it is impossible to infer a total ranking of
all LIF projects from the lists and by this also no ranking for the "Reserver List".
However, I also don't understand how the projects are
sorted in the way they are.
Thanks.
I think you think too much bucf, the reality is very simple. You can compare with the results of previous years
All the projects of the main list and the reserve list are ranked according to their note of evaluations. It means that the first on the reserve list have a better evaluation than the second.
If a project in the main list is withdrawn, funds are available for the first project of the reserve list. If you compare with the results of previous years, you have approximatively the same number of withdrawal projects and founded projects on the reserve list. The number of founded projects on the reserve list can vary dependinf if money are saved during the negociation
OK, to clarify my confusion, please give me the ranking of the following proposals (I just provide the numbers):
276132, 274946, 274841, 276275
Sorry for all the postings and again thanks.
All those projects are on the main list, thus you don't need to know their ranking. I can't certify that the project 276132 are the first on the main list because the ranking on the main list depend on the status of the negotiation. However I can certify that the project 275726 is ranked first on the reserve list and will be the first funded.
@waitingforgoodnews?: Thanks. So we agree that it is impossible to know the total ranking for all LIF projects (and the ENV-List etc.).
I still don't see why then the subgroup "Reserve List" should be ranked but this might indeed be the case.
Thank you and good luck to the people in the reserve list.
You're welcome. The ranking for the reserve list have likely been done to help the applicants to know if they have a chance to be funded
I think waitingforgoodnews is right @bucf. The absolute ranking of the A list is dependent on the status of the negotiation, but since everyone on the A list is "in the clear" as it were, you don't need to be concerned about their relative rankings. The B list, on the other hand, is static, so has been ranked according to score (as waitingforgoodnews points out, this is give people an indication on whether they have a chance to be funded or not). If you see that any A list project has been withdrawn and you are at the top of the B list, you have a good chance of being funded. Similarly, funds might become available if the estimated projected costs of the A list comes down during the negotiations.
@ t
Also in B list IEF/CAR with 87.3
I would like to get in contact with you for figuring out how does it work (the B list)
Cheers
By the way, if "t" or somebody else of the IEF/CAR B-list wants to get in contact with me:
esotrasbces@yahoo.com
Cheers
@ Mon
It seems we just missed it by the hair :( and there are no withdrawals in the A list
Anyway, I'm currently applying to other options, since the probability is small
@ t
Maybe you have missed the last document from RAE, actually, there is a withdrawal in the A list:
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
I would like to discuss with you about the order of the projects in the B-list. We are only 6, and it seems that nobody diclose acronyms here. That is the reason for discussing the matter by email, but of course, anybody else in the IEF/CAR B-list can join us by email.
Cheers
A new list has been published tonight, but all the reserve projects in the CAR panel are still in reserve. I don't expect that any will be selected for funding. The withdrawal was an A project? Still, it may mean nothing.
Has anybody's NCP given them an idea if there will be further project selected, even without there being withdrawals? I'm starting to believe that my NCP is an automated response script that replies "I have no further information about \%string:SubjectLine" when I e-mail him.
The new list published contains absolutely none new information as there are no new withdrawal proposals and proposals in reserve lists in panels where proposals have been withdrawn before are still in reserve list.
I was surprised to see that there are still some 'proposals in negotiation'
The fact that there no withdrawal proposals in several panels (CHEM, ENV) while last year there were between 2 and 4 is not a good new for people in reserve list I guess
@ waitingforgoodnews?
The IOF list does have some changes. On the panels where there was a withdrawal, the first on the reserve is now in negotiation.
One thing I don't understand (for the IOF anyway) is why they have so many on the reserve list compared to last year (twice as many in some panels)
You're right RobbieG, I was speaking about the updated IEF list.
For IOF, it seems that some negotiations have been launched since sundayschild received recently a letter form REA to start negotiation. I'm also surprised to see a lot of withdrawal for 'small panel' (in term of number)
Hello, everyone! I would have one question.
I know that we have right to sign a contract in English (and not in the language of our host institution), isn't it? Has anyone the link to some place where this is written?
@ t
The proposal EGGS-2-EMBRYOS was in the IEF/CAR A-list, as you can see at,
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
and it was withdrawn, as appear in the document,
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
which was delivered on February 1st.
So, very likely, in March-April, the first project on the reserve list will be invited to negociation.
What I want to know is whether or not the reserve list is ordered by the evaluation scores to estimate my chances, which are, unfortunately, slim.
If the list is ordered by the score obtained in the evaluations you must be the first of the list with a 88.2
Are you the first of the list as it appear in the document? In case that you are not willing to disclose that information in public you can use my email esotrasbces@yahoo.com
Cheers
The guide for applicants states that the language of the proposal should be in English, and that if you submit in a language other than English that you should submit a translation also. I can't remember reading a stipulation that the contract had to be in English also. As far as I know (could be wrong here) your host institution takes on the role of the employer, so conceivably could issue a contract in the main administrative language they use. Most places are happy to provide a translation though, or have someone explain it to you. I would contact your NCP to see what the position is.
Note that negotiation for proposals on the reserve list for IOF started in February (as it says in the document) while for IEF they will be carried out from March. That is why there are some proposals in IOF that were on the reserve list and now are in negotiation whereas not in IEF. In my case (IOF-ENV) negotiations finished as late as middle February.
Regards
Thanks quant, does anybody know when the negotiation for ief are supposed to be finished ?
@waitingforgoodnews?
For the proposals on the A list negotiations started on December 8th and the deadline was January 25th. However in my case negotiations extended up to middle February. Usually you can expect negotiations to be finalised in between 1 and 2 months.
@skymonkey: thanks for the reply...I will continue to check.
In the latest list my project has the status "proposal in negotiation". I was first on the B-list for IIF-ENG. However, I never received a negotiation letter and neither did my host. Is anyone else in this position? After the mistake they made before I do not want to get too hopeful. Thanks.
@KHF, did you try to write to your NCP ?
@waitingforgoodnews, yes, I emailed them yesterday so now waiting to see if they reply. I think maybe I've annoyed them with all my emails! ;o)
@KHF, still no news ?
Tomorrow the new MC calls.
1 year is gone.
Keep active this helpful forum during the next applications.
@skymonkey, do you know the deadline for the negotiation of proposals which are still 'in negotiation' for the IEF section? Thanks
@waitingforgoodnews I don't know if there is a hard deadline which negotiations have to be concluded by. If you look at the additional documents for the previous year's call (published in 2009) you will see that in November 2010 there were still negotiations going on. You can see the docs here http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio
@skymonkey: Yes, negotiations were going on only for applicants on the reserve list.
There is probably a hard deadline since they said that negotiations for people on the reserve list will begin from March and they have before to conclude all the negotiations of proposals included in the A list.
I guess we'll have news soon, wait and see ..........
New Marie Curie calls are out today
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseactio Seems to be a new "Outreach" section which is new.
salaries will be higher than this year. The budget too will be higher but I don't know if they expect a higher success rate.
Still no fresh news for applicants on the reserve list ?
no news, bad news... still waiting.
the update progress report should be out in these days.
I realistically think that (avoid for the lucky list in which some have withdrawal) we'll have some news on June. Of course, I'm not happy but I'e still hope !!
no news, bad news... still waiting.
the update progress report should be out in these days.
I realistically think that (avoid for the lucky list in which some have withdrawal) we'll have some news on June. Of course, I'm not happy but I'e still hope !!
According to a response to an enquiry I sent, I would not expect any action in the next few day. I was told to be patient, so I'm guessing June is a muuch more realistic timeframe for an update.
Is there many people on the waiting list still checking in here?
I check it almost everyday! Sincerely I was confident to receive some info in April. The number of withdrawals will tell us something anyway.
@ Robbie G yes, I'm on the B list and I'm still checking this site!
same for me
@Robbie G : you think that they won't produce an update for March like they did in January and February ?
Still checking too
the same for me
i hope they will update lists for March
The current progress (March 2011) on grant agreements is out! Check it at
ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/pub/fp7/docs/calls/peop
Good luck!
Does anybody know if there are any reserve list projects invited for negotiations? It seems to me that they are not...
@gg : according to info that we have on this forum, only Roman-br (reserve list of PHY-IIF panel) got an invitation.
@waitingforgoodnews
Waiting, I was given the impression that there will not be information regarding possible funding of reserve list project until then.
I don't think the I see any reserve list projects (for the IOF) that have been accepted yet unless a withdrawal has allowed it.
I am also checking here. I am first on the reserve list IOF but all of the projects above have completed negotiations. So I guess there is no hope? or is it? I dont understand why they do not put all of the reserve list projects to the category "not likely to be funded". Anyway, I guess waiting is the only thing we can do. (maybe some praying for those who have not lost faith yet :)
@geo
I'm in the same situation. The impression that I got from the REA when I contacted them is that they just don't know yet.
I guess until every agreement ahead of you is signed, they cannot make any move to the reserve list. Also to be considered is the redress list: people wanted their projects re-evaluated. They have to consider the possibilities that those projects may actually have to be funded if a re-evaluation is needed.
It's like the wait around Christmas time all over again. In fairness, compared to the previous years, they give out much more information than they used to with regards to the agreement process.
What I think is that they should finish all the negotiations for all the panel before calling people in the reserve list. In other words, I think all the people partecipating in IOF (or whatever) that were in A list have to sign the contract, before they can think about us (reserve list).
I still think June will be ok to know something new for reserve lists.
still hoping.
bye!!
If you compare the status of some projets between the new update grant agreement and the preliminary results, you will see that negotiation began for reverve list projects for IIF (at leats two projects) and IOF (at least tow projects too).
For IEF, it will begin probably soon too.
Nevertheless, negotiation began only for panels with some withdrawals... for others without withdrawals, it could be longer without surety to have funds available ...
It is tricky indeed. I have given too much thought in this but we are missing some information probably.
As regards the regress list, I initially thought the same. Hypothetically: there must be money non-allocated for those who have applied for re-evaluation, and if the re-evaluation is negative, reserve list projects could be funded. Actually I even made some calculations that the originally mistaken results (the first coming out on december) which had my project in A category could be a version of the results where the regress projects are omitted. That said, it means that there is budget left for x projects more so that if y
This is a good reasoning, they maybe keep money for the redress projects. This is strange that there is no redress list for the IEF panels ...
@ geo and all.. I hope so, also my project was on A list in the originally results, and on my panel there are no withdrawal. so I think they have already called the reserve list only if there was some withdrawal (of course not in my panel, murphy's law is always with me) and they wait to call people from reserve list for those panel without withdrawal, both for the eventuality of redressing project will be founded and because they do not know how much money the will save until they have finished ALL the negotiations for the entire call (i.e. IOF, IIF and IEF separately). This is what pop out from my insane mind from that damned wrong results list!!
please, I need to hope...
@ C : I think your mind is not insane but the situation is, It's very difficult for us to wait without information on the date they'll give their decisions ...
good luck everybody, I hope we'll have (good) news soon
good luck everybody, I hope we'll have (good) news soon
my message was clipped.. here the continuation.
That said, it means that there is budget left for x projects more so that if y smaller than x regress projects are successful, then x-y projects from the reserve list would be admitted too. And indeed the number of erroneously announced A projects was equal to the number of regress projects.
But there is a counter-argument. They announced that 120 projects will receive the fellowship and they have already given that many fellowships. This leads to the second and less cheerful conclusion that the only reason we are not given an official rejection is because until the fellowships are officially started, there is always the chance that someone withdraws. This means that our hopes are thinned greatly.
btw, do you know whether a chopped funding scheme is possible. i.e. if 2 year money is left, do we get to take it or not? If yes, this could be a good reason for delaying the announcement since if some more funds become available, a full scholarship should be given instead.
It is nice to share these thoughts with you guys!
@geo
Good analysis geo - I don't think I had anything that good in my proposal! :)
@ waitingforgoodnews
Yes, eventually I found out I got it. I was very lucky. Apologies for not reporting back sooner. Good luck to everyone still waiting or planning to reapply this year.
Congratulation KHF !
is there anyone here who can calculate the net salary from MC table. (FP IIR).
the host lab is located in the netherlands
Negociation officially started today for me, being the first of the IEF-SOC reserve list.
Congratulation Rob and thank you for the news!
Well done Rob!
congratulation Rob!!
Thank you guys!
Well done Rob, thanks for letting us know. Have a great fellowship!
Does anyone know if you can apply for a IOF in this year if you turn down the IEF fellowship from the last year (from a reserve list)?
I made other arrangements since I my project was rated B and I would rather go to my new host (who seems more interested in having me in his lab). Now they sent invitation for negotiations. It really is such a tough decision and I don't know what to do about it.
Do you have any words of wisdom for me in this situation?
@tt Well, there was a project ("Peptide Dendrimers" or something) in IOF/CHEM this year (2010) that withdrew because it got funded from last year's (2009) reserve list. It went through the application process for 2010, got an "A" rating, and then withdrew when it was successfully upgraded from the 2009 reserve list.
That would suggest that it is possible to reapply for next year, if that is what you are suggesting, but your post is not very clear.
@tt I don’t see why not turn it down if it isn't convenient for you now. Obviously, nobody is just waiting for the fellowship. You have more than one plan initially, and then you have to choose later on (one year or so), in different circumstances… so I don’t see anything wrong in choosing the best option for you.
what i meant was - do you get minus points with REA if you decide not to take the 2010 project ,but apply with a different project and a different host in 2011. are there any restrictions?
This is what I'm worried about:
"applicants are reminded that only one proposal may be submitted at any one time for any of the IOF, IIF or IEF"
Do I have to withdraw the proposal or it's enough to just turn down the invitation for negotiations?
@tt I'd say that the rule you mentioned is to prevent people submitting multiple entries on the same year. The example I mentioned earlier is a case very similar to yours. However, instead of taking the Year 2 offer, they took the Year 1 offer.
How long do you have to accept the current offer? Surely it can't be until August, which is the deadline for next year?
No, it's about a week or so.
@tt Let me get this straight: do you want to keep your current offer until you find out about next year, or do you want to let the current offer lapse?
Either way it's not going to be an issue until August; the submissions are only checked for validity on the submission date.
Could you do me a favour: when you withdraw, can say you'd like the unused funds go to IOF-CHEM? :)
@tt – Two years ago I asked about that. They told me that it means that the same researcher can’t ask for funding of more than one project to IOF, IEF, IIF or RG in the same call. In your case, it means nothing, because you are asking in different calls, 2010 and 2011.
So withdrawing your IEF-2010 doesn't take any effect on IOF-2011
Anyway, you can ask to your National Contact Point (NCP) at
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ncp_en.html
by choosing your country and “mobility”, it gives you the emails and phone numbers.
Hope it helps you
Question: I am in the reserve list. I want to resubmit this year. Anyone who was in my same position last year and that got the funding this year? Can you give me suggestions/ideas on how to improve my proposal? I read that someone put an extra page at the end of the proposal with all the changes made in response to evaluators comments. Any other one did this?
Thanks, it's clear now.
@Frank: there's a book on how to write a successfull EU proposal - it's for all sorts of EU funding, there's a section on MC. It helped me a lot. It was written by an Irish guy, I can't remember quite the name, but I'm sure you can't miss it.
@tt
I have just found here the comments that you posted last week. I am second in the IEF/CAR B-list. When you made a decision, could you please let me know?
You can use my email if you prefer to: esotrasbces@yahoo.com
Cheers
@ Mon
I have turned it down last week, so you should be hearing from REA in these days. I wish you good luck with your project!
Good luck to all :)
@tt I am pleased that you passed twice, not all can do it.
@tt
Thank you very much for your message. I guess that my chances are very high now. Could you please let me know the last important detail? Did you applied for two years?
Cheers
new update by REA.
they cut the most of the reserve list proposal that now are "not likely to be founded". In almost all the panel there's now only 1 proposal on the reserve status (like me).
I'm still playing...still my fingers crossed...Anyone in the same situation?
@C
Still in the game myself. I see there are only two re-evaluations to be processed as well, one in MAT and one in PHY.
I guess it is a good sign? Has your NCP had any information for you?
@C where did you see the REA update? I still see the update from March 2011 only :)
here (the usual REA partecipant portal - latest info):
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
keep in touch about your situation skymonkey!
I've applied twice, the first time I only got over the threshold. But my host wasn't really interested in both years.
I hope I haven't ruined all my chances for the future applications by withdrawing this year.
What happens if the host doesn't want to sign the withdrawal? I have a feeling he might try to get someone else to do my project. Can he do that? I haven't heard from him since I notified him of my decision.
@tt
Sorry, it is not what I meant. I wanted to know if your project was to be done in two years.
I have applied for a project to be done in two years, so if your project was for less time it could mean that there is founding for your project, but not enough for my project.
Please, let me know that, I need to estimate my chances, it can take some time before they contact me.
About the other issue, I do not see how it could be any relation between the present call and the next one.
Cheers
Yes, 2 years.
"About the other issue, I do not see how it could be any relation between the present call and the next one."
Well, the decision to withdraw was a tough one for me, I'm just a bit worried not knowing what to expect that's all.
reserve list is exactly same for IIF.......
@tt
Thank you for your message, now I do not see any other problem to get the funding since my project can be done with the same amount of money.
About your worries, I imagine that the evaluator receive a parcel with several projects. He/she is busy with his/her own work, and evaluating the projects means more work (unpaid I guess), so the last possible idea they can get is starting an investigation on what happened with the researcher in the last call, whether he/she applied or not, and what happened in the end. Besides, the referees have not got such information.
So, if you get a good mark from those evaluators, how do you think that it is possible to reject your project?
About your host, I do not think there is any chance for him to do anything. It is clear that REA have evaluated the project, the researcher and the match between them, so if the researcher decide to withdraw, there is no any longer a project to fund. With another researcher, it would be a different project.
Cheers
@ sansun
it seems changed only for IOF...
Mon,
I wish you good luck with your project. I hope you'll get the invitation soon.
@tt
Thank you very much. I wish you too all the best in your IOF.
@ Robbie G
I don't have any news, but at this time I do not ask other stuff to my NCP, as I realize is just wasting time.
In which panel are you? I'm in the only one in IOF (I think) in which there's no withdrawal... lucky me... but I still hope in saving money from the budget.
Sometimes I look to the positive side of the coin, I got a very good score and so close to get founded (actually in the initially mistake I was on A list) so I've to be proud of myself. However, I've lost for just one single proposal #**!...very unlucky, and of course no withdrawal (more than very unlucky) as the other people ranked first on the B list, as me, have already been invited for negotiation (very very very very unlucky).
However, every single day I check my email box with the weak hope to find an email from REA.
In the meantime, I'm applying for other findings and of course, I'll try MC again this summer...
still no update for ief ...
@C
I'm in the CHEM panel. One withdrawal, so I got pushed to the top of the reserve list, the previous one ahead of me got funded. From previous years (and from the policy document), I don't think withdrawals matter so much on numbers of projects funded; it is more to do with number of initial applications.
To be honest, I've started to be a little more confident now. I think there is a good chance of us getting something, we shall see.
I know what you mean about contacting the NCPs. I don't think they get given very much info at this stage.
Hi
I have a question. If any project that got funding withdrew, does the money allocated for that project go to the same panel or not?
@ MOO
Yes, that's right
the last update for the IEF are here
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
Not lucky if you are in the CHE or ENV panel ....... still invitation for reserve list
@waitingforgoodnews?
Maybe these panels are a little behind in the the process? It doesn't seem commensurate that for the reserves MAT would get an invitation and CHEM would not, based on the numbers.
I hope you are right, let's go for another long month of waiting ....
Do you know if it is possible to know which projects were aproved last year in each one of the panels?
@biojose I'm not sure what you mean...the current lists show which projects have been approved or not for each panel. Maybe you could elaborate a little more :-)
First of all, thank you rider_tiger for your post. I'm applying for a IEF grant in the present call, and I got a bit worried when I read in your post that:
"Your profile needs to match the project, but this does not mean that you should do the exact same thing as your masters or Ph.D. You need to diversify your subject, yet it should fit your profile. If the project is a subsequent step in your career, thats bad."
The project I intend to carry on is somehow a continuation of my PhD: the technical objective is the same but I will use a different approach. Will this be a weak point of my proposal?
Thank you so much.
I am applying for the IOF this year and I was wondering about the incoming year - do you actually have to spend that year in the eu country the whole time? Because what if the host institution in the EU doesn't have enough resources to support your research? Can you visit the partner institution to do experiments which you otherwise couldn't?
@t This probably wouldn't look very good on the proposal. One of the aims of the MC is to bring the skills and technologies back in to the EU. If you can't do the experiments in the EU, they would probably mark you below the threshold in implementation. Remember, the EU is funding it for a reason: improvement of quality in the EU. The actually project subject always seems quite secondary, just as long as the skills are brought back in an implemented here.
Continuing a collaboration is fine, but there is no money in the budget for traveling back to the host to continue the project, which is a subtle hint in my opinion.
Dear Prius, the project can complement your previous experiences, but we emphasize that it should be the final push in your career that helps you become a mature scientist, as opposed to being just another step.
So it's not really such a bad thing to come from a low resources EU country as long as you bring the skills back.
Or should I be looking for a host outside my home country?
Because I do want to go back to eu after 2 years, I'm just worried that they'll see the lack of equipment and staff and deduce it's not okay.
Hi there
I just found this forum. Does anyone know what the threshold is this year for the Career Integration Grants (CIG) ? I know it's not the official topic of the forum, but it's the closest I have found...
Hi Everyone,
I am now preparing my application for IIF.
Does anybody have and can share an example of succesful IIF application (even if not finally funded), written by you or by someone else previously? I will enormously appreciate. Please give a link or send pdf to chemie@inbox.ru
Thank you!
Hi everybody.. One question to rider_tiger.. I am now re-applying for a MC IEF SOC panel after having been in the reserve list in 2010. Do you think I have to change completely my project or just follow the evaluation letter suggestions on where to improve? Honestly I am quite scared about writing a completely new project, while at the same time I have found difficult sometimes to agree with the evaluators' point of view on my previous application, i.e. I can't believe, for example, they said I have few publications as I am twenty-nine yo with 28 publications.. just an example of course
@trawel,
I advise that you follow their instructions and try to convince them more fully this time.
@rider_tiger,
If I understood it correctly, however, re-submitted proposals will not be reviewed by the same evaluators of the previous round. How will they be able to check the actual improvement of a proposal?
In order to apply for an Incoming (IIF), the "researcher must move from an Other Third Country to a Member State..." I am from the US, but I am already in the EU (came on a one-year job contract). Does this disqualify me? I will have been in EU for 10 months at time of application deadline (11 August). Thanks.
@DSR I don't think this will disqualify you. I'm not 100% for the IIF programme but for IEF the criterion was that from the previous 60 months, no more than 12 could have been spent in the host country at the application deadline. It gave specific scenarios including moving to the host country 6 months before the application deadline (this is permitted). So, I think you are ok. BUT...as I'm not au fait with the IIF regulations, read the Guide for Applicants very carefully and email your National Contact Point outlining your situation, just to make sure.
While it probably won't disqualify you, if you are already living in the host country you might be marked down in the "mobility" sections of your application, so this is something you need to write about carefully. HTH
@rider_tiger and @to all people have experience
i am in the reserve list for IEF 2010. i want to reapply again. it is good to put a page with the change made or not? because my idea is to present more or less the same project folowing the reviewer comment, but i am not sure if it is a good idea to remark it or not. thank you
@ franziska
I remember that a successfull applicant this year have resubmited the same project than last year including a page with all the changments made. You will find it on this forum but I don't remember who/where excatly ...
Anyway, I think that there are many ways to improve your projects. It is very important to take into consideration the reviewers comments when it is possible. This year my proposal had better note in some sections than proposal submitted by the same host last year because we followed reviewer's recommandations. It is very important to clearly answer to all the points present in the guideline. It is important that key words are present ..
Good luck
@notwaitinganymoreforgoodnews
thank you very much for your suggestion. yes i want to take into account the reviewer comment and clearly answer to all points of guideline.
thank you
...notwaitinganymoreforgoodnews ...why did you change from "waitingforgoodnews?" to this more pesimistic view? I'm still waiting. I'll give up at the end of june, not before!!
@ c, for my part, I prefer moving on, looking for other opportunities... I really hope you'll have good news but it is preferable to be prepared in case it won't work ...
But don't worry, I am not pesimistic, if it doesn't work with this fellowship, we'll find another ways to do what we want to do !
@ ...butmaybe--
I'm happy to hear this from you... of course, yes..we need to think to other opportunities (and I have already done it). Maybe one time we can have a "virtual" beer all togheter to celebrate our succesfull MC!!
The Research Participants portal has been updated again.
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
I don't see much movement though. Maybe someone with a keener eye can see if there is much change?
How many here still on the reserve list? I know waiting and C. Anyone else?
@ Robbie G
no news..bad news. The last month of hope. I will stop waiting after june, by wich time I think all (or almost all) the negotiations will be concluded, so if they save money will know it by that time. who knows!!
no change for me too. Strange that there are still some proposals in negotiation. Moreover this is boring because we can't know if money can be saved until the end of all the negotiations ...
No movement on the ENV IEF reserve list. We have given up and are now working on the application to take reviewers comments into consideration and reapply. But hey guys, there is one good news, budget is up from 95 last year to 109 millions in the 2011-IEF panel alone. So grab your pens and give it another go....I still love this program even if it has been extra tough last time around.
I am also in the same status in IOF. I wonder why they keep one applicant in each category still in reserve list...
I will begin to rewrite my application for CHE IOF again. Last year I got a 88.4, let see how it goes this time.
I have a question: if funded (A list) when is it possible for one to start working. What is the earliest month?
Thanks
@JPR If you are on the A List there are two options generally available for when you can start (and I'll base the dates on last year's competition). For IEF most of the emails opening negotiations were received on 8th December 2010. The REA told me that I could start on March 1st at the earliest. This is true but it comes with some caveats:
1. You choose this as a "fixed start date". The negotiations with the REA are generally still going on at this stage but it is possible to begin the project. The host institution agrees to pay your costs during this period. When negotiations are finalised, the REA transfer the funds to the institution. All funds are BACK DATED to the "fixed start date", which means that the institution gets repaid from the project fund anything that it paid you while waiting for the negotiations to conclude. In theory, no money is lost by anyone.
2. If you go for the "open start date" instead of a fixed one the project must begin within 12 months of the conclusion of negotiations. Even if you go with an "open date" you still have to provide an actual start date to the REA. Your Project Officer in the REA will advise you of a suitable date by which time all negotiations will be concluded. For me, this date was 1st May 2011.
Option 1 means that you have to get your host to agree to meet your costs until the negotiations have been concluded (where they will be paid back). This seemed too annoying for me to sort out so I didn't opt for it.
Option 2 means that by the time you start the project, the money has been transferred and it seemed easier to organise adminstratively, for me.
Does that make sense? :-)
Hello again! I was just wondering, has anyone submitted a proposal in a language that is not English? I assume that most people would opt for English, but is it actually possible to use another language from the European Union?
Second, has anybody getting the fellowship opted for a fixed start date of April or around and started being paid? I have been waiting for ages, but people in research services at the university still do not have received confirmation of the funds being cleared...
@skymonkey
Yep! Thanks for the info. I will write the proposal taking that into account. I will probably try to extend it the maximum I can (i.e. starting from March 1st).
Thanks again!
@RL I think it is possible to submit a proposal in a language other than English, you also need to submit a summary of the project in English. The Guide for Applicants will have the full details. However, if you can, I think it is better to submit in English given the international nature of the reviewers.
@JPR You're welcome. But just to be clear, what I wrote in my previous answer only comes into play during the negotiation stage and isn't really relevant during writing the proposal. For the proposal you should really only talk about generic "project months" in your outline and Gantt chart (e.g. Project Month 1, PM2, etc). In your proposal it is not necessary to refer to specific dates such as "March 2012" or whatever
:-)
Hi everybody,
I was second on the reserve list in the IOF panel and yesterday the PI of the host institute received the invitation letter to start negociation. So it seems that EU as some remaining money (no withdrawal in the May list), and they started to send invitation letter.
Hope that people waiting for good news (as me until yesterday) receive the same email. You deserve it!
Good luck al all of you
congratulations!!!!
and thanks for the notification! if you can spare the information of the discipline you were, maybe it can help us on some calculations :)
yes, thanks for your comment. Can you please give us the panel and tell us if you were in the reserve list or "not likely to be funded"?
thanks
Thanks for the good news and congratulations!
can I ask you which panel?
so... we can still hope!
@It is worth waiting
Well done! May I ask if you yourself received an e-mail?
@Robbie G
No I didn´t received any email. Just the PI.
@Other
I prefer to wait a little bit before saying my panel, I hope you will understand.
@It is worth waiting
Understand you not wanting to name until you know everything is sorted. Thanks for getting back to us!
understood,
it is just because in my panel no withdrawal from the beginning (december) and I would like to know if you were in the same situation.
However, "waiting" is my second name from december, so I will wait.:-)
Just let us know when you'll receive the mail and congratulation again!!!
@ C
There was only one withdrawal since december in my panel, but the first one on the reserve list has been invited to negociate since january. So I think they checked how much money remains (for example, 120 fellows alone or with family and in the US or in India, it is really not the same amount!), and sent some letters. Personally, I will go in a country where the correction is very important, meaning I will not cost a lot. I don't know if they took this into account.
Good luck for the waiting, I am with you!
thank you!
you really give me good news today...
keep in touch!
I was told by my NCP that we will find out whether or not most of the reserve projects will be funded "before the end of the month".
At least we will have a definite answer soon.
I just noticed activity on this thread through the RSS feed. I am surprised to see the final decision is not out yet.
The hosts and me were baffled after learning that my >90 score was not enough to secure a MC-IOF project. It was a lesson to me on the level of competition (congrats to the winners!) and hopefully a lesson to REA on the level of demand for grants.
Good luck for the few waiting near the edge of the reserve list.
I am preparing proposal for this year's MC IIF application. My panel is CHE. I have no idea what is the most important factor for a successful application. I have 14 first-author SCI paper, one patent, two book chapters. Is this enough to succeed? how important is a Host? and proposal?
@ Case
I think you should read this hub page and search google where you will find some useful presentations about this. Your CV is important but not sufficient. The objectives of proposal are very important. Equally important is the track record of the host institution.
I am sure you will find the useful information on the web.
Good luck!
@case, you should begin by read the guide for applicants, you will see which evaluation criteria of the proposal are the most important.
If your proposal have the same score than another one, the ranking will depend on the score you obtained in the different evaluation criteria. In this optic, the evaluation criteria concerning the researcher part is the most important, so it is a very good thing that you show a good productivity like numerous paper but it is not sufficient, you have also to demonstrate in the research part, your leadership qualities, the match between your skills and the project ... And don't neglate all the other evaluation criteria (training and S&T quality section), once again in case of ex aequo, it could do the difference.
So, read the guide for applicants and answer to all the request point.
Good luck
I am confused by the fact that the guide of applicants suggests to include the host's publications and projects in both the "S&T Quality" and "Implementation" sections. Where shall I include it, or shall I include it twice?
@desperate What I did last year was to use one of the sections to focus on my mentor's achievements/publications and the other section to focus on the achievements/publications of the group/host institution. I don't think it matters hugely in which section you put which information. I agree that both the S&T and Implementation sections seem to ask for the same information and that this is confusing. Don't just include the exact same information separately in both sections. This is a waste of valuable application space and will bore the reviewer. Try and think of different areas to highlight for both sections maybe (patents and publications in one, high profile collaborations in the other).
Something else you should note is that I didn't include ALL of the publications produced by either my mentor or the host. There are just too many. I of course mentioned that there was a huge amount of them, of which the ones I listed were a representative selection. Of course make sure you pick the best ones. It can be a good idea to include the impact rating of the journals they publish in.
Similarly with the international collaborations, there were too many. Pick the best collaborations to highlight. It can be a good idea to include the global ranking of the institutions your host collaborates with. Of course only include this information if it reflects well on the application. Don't list "University of Nowhere: Global ranking 2,899".
Hope this helps and good luck!
@skymonkey This is really helpful, I will follow your advice. Thanks so much!
I got the IEF this year (2010 call), and my advice is different from skymonkey's: Do repeat information in different sections if it is relevant in both. The scores are given separately so if something is relevant both for timeliness of project and for implementation and for the host's quality, then put it there again and again. The scores are given independently for the different points, and the evaluators will not leaf back to check an earlier point.
Most importantly: Do not diverge from the headings given in the Guide for Applicants, not even if you think they don't make sense. (Most of us think so.)
Of course do not put all of the host's publications. I put the number (more than X pubs in high-ranking int'l journals, such as ...), but this is also dependent on the scientific culture in your subject. Maybe ask someone more senior in your subject how it is usually done. I listed names of conferences they organised or for which they were chairs or on committees etc, names of journals for which they are on the editorial board. For the training, names of previous post-doctoral visitors/trainees and their current positions.
Re implementation part: rider_tiger right on top of this page suggests to use a GANTT-chart, but I disagree. I put a list of points into which I had broken down the project, including explanation of what exactly will be done in this part, followed by the number of months. I made sure these added up to 24. Most were consecutive, but some interleaved with the others.
Good luck to everyone.
@Judith Thanks also for your tips! I see your point. Congrats on your IEF!
Hi everyone
First of all thanks for creating this userful web rider_tiger.
I am preparing an IIF application for this year and I have a couple of questions. I am from Spain but I've got my PhD at the USA. I wonder if it would be good to emphasize the fact that I am looking for an academic career in Europe. If this is the case, where would be a good place to do it?
My second questions is about the possibility of having referees (letters of recommendation). I'd like to know if it would make sense to ask your PhD advisers.
Thanks a lot!
@Luis I don't know about much about the IIF programme, but as it is an incoming fellowship designed to attract talent back to the EU, I think saying why Europe is where you want to base your career would be good :-)
As for the references, for my IEF my referees were my PhD supervisor, the external examiner for my PhD and then a third professor who I had worked with but who had nothing to do with my PhD. So, I think it definitely makes sense to include your PhD supervisor as they generally know you best, have worked with you closely over a number of years, and are best placed to comment on your work/potential. Of course, if you have a bad relationship with your supervisor or left on bad terms then don't ask them. The references are uploaded confidentially so you don't actually get to see them.
HTH
update for IOF and IIF are now available
Anybody see any movement? I was promised news before the end of the month, but it doesn't look like anything significant
Dear all, hope you're all fine. This year again I will apply for IEF, do you have any advises how to inform the reviewers that it is a re-application. I got 85/100 last year and espect of course to increase my score this year based on the previous evaluation. Thanks, we keep in touch. Great web site !
actually, the new results are out, go to the portal and have a look
@Leo Hi there. I can't remember precisely, but I think that the electronic system does ask you if this is the first time you have submitted your proposal. Good luck!
For anyone who is interested in the IOF 2010 update, a brief summary according to my analysis of the report:
The were three withdrawals in the IOF-LIF section and one in the IOF-MAT section of projects that were already either negotiated or signed. That *should* free up some space. Accordingly, two projects on the LIF section have been upgraded from "unlikely" to "reserve", (but not for MAT - it already had two on the reserve which was unusual for a small section).
Elsewhere, the only movement is in the advancement of negotiation and signing procedures. The two re-evaluated projects have not appeared in the list, so one would conclude that the re-evaluations were not positive.
I don't know where this leaves those still (or newly) on the reserve list. I had been given the strong impression that I would hear something before the 1st July regarding my status (I'm on a reserve list), but I have heard nothing.
Thank you for your summary Robbie G
still hoping!
I don't see the update for IIF - has it been updated for then end of June? I am on the reserve list for LIF section of IIF.
Hi, there! I've got a Q about IIF program (about letter of recommendation).
I am just wondering if it is a good idea to ask the same person as your contact point in the return host organization to write a reference letter for you? Is it OK? To my mind this would give an opportunity to the referee to explain why he/she would like to have you in the lab.. What do you think? Thank you and good luck.
still no update available for IEF in June, did anaybody have news ?
I am trying to fill out A4 form in EPSS for the application for MC IIF 2011. In the Part A4 form, in the Year Number column, should I fill 2012,2013, 2014, or just write 1, 2, 3?
Thank you very much for your suggestionl.
@case I don't think it matters. I know people who have done both ways. For my IEF I put down years 1 and 2.
HTH
The June update of IEF negotiation status is out
I did not see any change in this update (at less for my panel) ...
yes, no relevant changes. However, they are close to end all the ongoing negotiations so they should know soon how much money they have to fund reserve lists' projects.
are you guys waiting for negotiation for 2010 round? the application deadline for 2010 call was August. why the negotiation is still ongoing? One year almost. who can wait for so long time for one possible fellowship?
I am preparing apply for 2011 call MC IIF. When I submitted the proposal, I noticed the following statement:
"By submitting this proposal the co-ordinator confirms that all necessary internal authorisations have been obtained by all participants in order to permit your organisation to submit it and that the submission complies with any internal requirements of the participants' organisations relating to the submission of such proposals. "
Does it mean the proposal should be submitted by the Host Organisation? if so, when? Should we inform the University, like central research office, about our submission?
@SXW406 Yes, you should inform the host organisation. You need their agreement to make the application, although, as far as I can remember it is you (the prospective applicant) who makes the submission through the EPSS. Although I could have forgotten the steps here and it may be the case that the university also has to submit something.
At the very least, you need to include the correct contact points in the university research office of those people who are authorised to sign the agreement with the European Commission. When you submit the application, these people, as well as your prospective mentor, will all receive emails indicating that the proposal has been submitted, so you kind of have to speak to them beforehand :-)
The Guide for Applicants has more details about what you need to do.
Hi "old" guys.
I think that in the panel whit no withdrawal (even at the beginning -january- or later on), no people from reserve list has been called. I asked a friend that won from the reserve list two years ago and he says he was contacted in August. So, now, I've still hope but I've created a new folder (MC 2011) on my pc, and (only temporarely) archiviated the old one (MC 2010)!!
I still believe...!
Keep in touch!
@case, for people who are on the reserve list (espcelially for people at the worst place, i.e., first on the reserve list), the decision can be very long to come because we are dependant of negotiations of proposals of the main list ...
@C, yes, still hoping too, we never know ...
@waiting and @C
Just got an offer for negotiations. Hopefully it will start moving for everyone. Good luck. A thousand times good luck.
Robbie
Yes yes yes!!!!
I've got the negotiation mail!!!!!
wow wow wow
I got the negotiation mail, too.
I'm going to getting drunk. congratulation!!
@waitingforgoodnews I'm crossing my fingers for you
@skymonkey Are you still waiting? I don't remember... in case, good luck!!
Congratulation guys! You deserve it!
Congratulations to those who got good news! @C no, not waiting, I was lucky enough to get the IEF earlier. I check in on this site to see if I can answer any questions for the new crop of people. I remember how hard it was to find info last year :-)
@skymonkeyyes, you're rigth. I will help too if possible!
I'm going on the road of burocracy, it's so wonderful. I really needed this fellowship.
See you guys, Australia I'm coming!
:-)
Does anyone have an idea when we can begin work? i.e. what are the limits; how long can you put the start date off?
congratulations guys !!! I am still waiting for a definitve response ...
@ Robbie G
I've asked and they say there are two options. one is fixed date, and the other open date. they suggest the open date, so you can start within 1 year from the signature of the contract. they also say at least two months for the signature.
@J, are you in the IOF section like Robbie and C ?
Thanks
I'm preparing my project for IOF this year and I have a naive question:In the part B1 of the project, should I have to describe only the project I will do in the outgoing host or a project that combine the outgoing phase and the return phase? I ask this question because in the A form, the total duration in months is between 12 and 24 months, so corrersponding only to the outgoing phase.
thanx for your comments
@skymonkey: Have you actually started your project yet? I haven't, even though I am on the A-list, there were no issues to negotiate, there were no ethical issues, and I and my host have always done everything that was necessary immediately. The suggested start date was 15 May (suggested by the REA, we wanted earlier) but we still haven't got the REA signature, and it's July. I am annoyed as hell with REA beaurocracy.
@Judith Yes I started on 1st May (which was at the suggestion of the REA). I'm really sorry to hear that you haven't begun yet. It must be so frustrating. Have you been in touch with your Project Officer by email to get a clearer idea of what might be holding things up?
@skymonkey: Yes, many times, of course. My project officer didn't use to answer emails, or only after several weeks... Nothing is holding up the project... Just people being inefficient... Glad to hear yours has started at least!! (Don't worry, skymonkey, there is nothing you can do for me. Just wish me luck or something ;-)
@judith, in which panel are you ?
@waitingforgoodnews: IEF.
Hi guys!
I`m preparing a proposal for IIF in the first time and have some questions about letters of recommendation.
1.How, where and when they can be downloaded? Shoud they be included to Part B3 RESEARCHER? As I understood right, the proposal has no any additional annex.
2. If they are downloaded separately, in wich forms: scanned copy or from referee`s e-mail?
@Judith, well good luck then! So frustrating for you, so I hope it gets sorted soon and you can begin!
@AI You don't download or even see the letters of recommendation. When you submit your application via the EPSS you include the emails and contact details for your referees. They are then contacted separately with the instructions for submitting the recommendations.
Good luck to all! Great to see that there is still hope for those on the reserve list, with people still being called for negotiations!
skymonkey, thanks a lot!
Good luck to all))
@waitingforgoodnews I am in IIF.
@waitingforgoodnews I am in IIF.
@IOF Writing
The project should reflect a technology/knowledge you can import in the EU (return). As a result, it should be something you begin in the outgoing and complete in the return. You should pay special attention to this in the implementation phase.
hello fellow applicants! Still on the IEF 2010 reserve list but time to get to the drawing board again!!!
I am writing IEF (for the first time) in the "restart career panel". Does anybody know if it really increases my chances or not?
@Olga: I seem to remember seeing somewhere that CAR had a significantly higher success rate than the other panels, at least in the 2010 round. (There are several statistics out on the web.) So, yes.
To Judith, thank you. To be honest, I can't find any statistics for 2010, actually... I thought they still distribute money.
@Olga, at the end of this webpage: http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
You will find a ppt with statistics, this year they founded 17 proposals on 108 for the CAR panel (+i or 2 on the reserve list)
good luck
ouch, it means that CAR panel has the lowest success (2-4%less then in others)... :((((
@olga, yes the success rate was low but this year the bugget will increase, that's a good thing
Do you mean that financial aspect was determining? I just try to work out whether it was the quality of proposals or just not much money for this panel that made the success rate low
Of course not, the more important is the quality of your proposal.
What I wanted to say is that the global budget is important to considere for the success rate. For instance, between 2009 and 2010, the global budget for the funding of proposals stay the same whereas the number of proposals increased by 20 %. In consequence, the overall success rate decrease from 24 to 18 % in 2010
If you are rank first, it changes nothing for you but if you are just on the wrong side ... At less, this year, the success rate will not decrease
Then it means that in general the projects in CAR were weaker then in the other panels. Though one could expect that. Any ideas, what should be strengthened in the project if I didn't work for about 4 years (for family reasons) and now desperate to come back to science? though in this time I activly published.
Dear all,
For resubmission of project any idea how to integrate it into the new application ??? (FYI:last year I got only 85/100 and got mostly useless comments from 'expert reviewers')
@leo, if it is not a secret, where did you lose the most?
Hi! Is there smbd who has got an IxF grant having no international partner as collaborator mentioned in the proposal?
@Olga, you are not completely right. Most likely the proposals were from people who had 10+ years of experience or aimed to more expensive countries
@Hanya If by "international partner" you mean "international host" the answer is no. The MC IxF programmes are based on international transfer, either attracting people to the EU (IIF), giving people the opportunity to work outside the EU (IOF), or permitting mobility within the EU (IEF). The applications are submitted jointly with your host institution, so it is impossible to make a successful application without having an international partner/host. You are not able to submit a proposal, be approved, and then approach the institution after you have secured the funding. Everything has to be organised by the time you make your final submission.
The only exceptions to the "international" rule are a small set of institutions were are deemed to be trans-national. CERN is one example I think. In this case you could apply for a MC IEF to work in CERN even if you are already based and working in Switzerland. The Guide for Applicants has more details.
HTH
@skymonkey ... ooops. just noticed my mistake...wanted to say industrial partner and wrote "international", silly me...anyway thanks
@hanya Ah! Easy mistake. Hmm. I'm afraid I can't really offer any constructive advice here. I am sure that many successful IxF applicants had no industrial partner. However, I am also pretty sure that if you have the opportunity to collaborate with someone in industry, that this will strengthen your application considerably. Particularly the impact and knowledge transfer sections.
So....if you don't have one, it isn't going to knock you out of the running by any means, but if you do have one, then I think it fills out the application nicely :-)
Sorry not to be of more help :-)
restoff, thanks very valuable notice!
hanya, I have examples of two successful proposals: one with an industrial partner was supported from A list, one without an industrial partner from B list. The second has also a comment in assessment about a lack of industrial partner, though it finally was supported
skymonkey or anybody else, do you know about B3 "three main results" in 250 words. Should it be each result per 250 words or all three results in a paragraph of 250 words?
@ Olga I've written less 250 words in total, but I don't think it is compulsory, it's just a suggestion to make your findings easy and clear to the review (so too long will be boring).
@olga It is 250 words in total. I just checked my application for IEF from last year and I had 246 words in this section, broken into 3 small paragraphs. It's hard, but make it snappy and really try to highlight any novelty or innovation in your results :-)
Did this part B3.2 contain anything else apart from these 250 words. Did you write other results as a list o smth?
@Olga The 250 words just contained my top three research achievements. These should be high-level things that highlight how great and exceptional you are as a researcher: outstanding publication record, high level patents, Nobel prizes ;-). They should be the best 3 things you can think of that you have achieved in your career to date. It can be easy to think that you have none, or none that are worthy of inclusion. However, you are in an enviable position if you have too many achievements and not sure where you should list them in the application :-)
I think the CV section in B3 can be a good place to list additional achievements and results that don't make it into your top 3.
HTH
skymonkey, thank you very much, it is so nice to have an oppenion from smbd who has already passed this! I think I will do as you recommended!
@Olga No problem :-) I remember how frustrating it was trying to find accurate information online last year!
@Olga: (A different advice from another successful applicant) I wrote 250 words _each_ for three major achievements, incl. references to the relevant publications (numbers referring to CV, previous section). But I did not have anything else in that section. Note that in the call for IEF 2011, they no longer specify that it must be _three_ achievements. I would still understand it such that it should be around 250 words for each research result, not all together.
Hi, I'm new on this. I'm preparing an IIF proposal and the "european advisor" from my host institution says it is 250 words for each result.
It is a damn long proposal to prepare!
Good luck to you all!
Dear all,
I am going to apply for IOF Lif this year,
I have a great confusuion to complete all the sections for both outgoing and return host. Is theere anyone knows, what is the reintegration period for? is it just for transfer of skills, or you should continue training?
Hm, that is strange: the persone who helps the University to write all proposals told me it is 250 words for all three :-/. IMHO REA should be more clear in expressing their ideas. Last year my husband was writing 3 per 250 words and got IEF. Another guy has just wrote a plane text with results about 1000 words long, he also got IEF. I have shown my previous version to Project Helper (2 majour results about 250 words each). He recommended me to add the paragraph entitled as "250 words synopsis" with three other results. Will see this Friday what he says on my new version.
Hi everyone! This should be helpful...
@ Olga
REA give you just a suggestion about the number of words. your proposal will be read by persons, not machines, so they do not reject your proposal only because you were too long in describing your findings! just remind to stay whitinh the number of pages they say for each section.
good luck!
@selcan
do you mean 'reintegration period' as the third year in EU? if yes you must come back to europe, I do not know how much of training you have to do in the third year, but in my proposal I wrote more training for the outgoing phase.
good luck!
Hi, dear experts!
Please, tell me if I need to include "Plan of use and dissimination of results" to IIF proposal?
In which part of the proposal?
And what I shoul write?
Thanks
Hi experts,
I am wondering whether I have to include an indicative budget covering the planned research activities (e.g.Travel costs, consumables, Management activities...), or whether it is only necessary in a second time, if the project is accepted?
In the first case, what the budjet should include exactly? Do I have to indicate the overall total costs of the project, regardless of the source of funding or only the expected EU contribution?
Thanks!!!
@ IOF writing
budget is never requested. In case of succesfull applications you'll receive a monthly fixed amount of money (depeding on your research type, if it is laboratory based or no). bye!
to Al, what do you mean under paln of use of results? The dissimination of results you should give in your work package (B4.3)
Olga, thanks. You clarify my thoughts. It is a panic before the deadline I guess.
@Al, that is normal, I am also in panic already... poor my family :)
Just to add to what Judith and C have said. Clearly it doesn't matter too much whether you use 250 words in total for your research achievements or 250 words per achievement. Both scenarios have been funded. As @C rightly points out, these proposals are read by human beings not machines so these things are more guidelines rather than set in stone rules.
I think what is more important is to respect the page limits for each section and the page limit for the proposal overall. What is really important (and of course, what is obvious), is to make sure to cover all the topics and sub-topics in the Guide for Applicants.
It's more important that your proposal makes a well-rounded case and answers the questions:
1. Why this project?
2. Why now?
3. Why you?
4) Why important for EU and ERA
Hi all, I am recycling last year's proposal (still in the reserve list, argh...) and I have the same question as last year: where are the references used and are they important? My experience from last year and the feedback I had on my proposal tells me that they are useless, unless the evaluators scale their grades up if there are positive references. But I doubt that they see the references at all... Does anyone know more about it?
Hi MR, They tell me it is more a requirement. It's not a major boost but it is a big drawback if you don't have them.
Hi all, my question is in line with that of MR.
Is it a good idea to ask the PI of the return host to write a reference letter?
For me, he is yet my post-doc mentor and this would give an opportunity to her to explain why he would like to have me in the lab.
What do you think?
Thank you and good luck.
Re: references, as the information given to applicants is pretty hazy, please bear in mind that these are just my own thoughts on the matter and mightn't necessarily be how they are considered by the REA.
The thing to remember is that the references are officially considered to be optional (or at least were for last year's programme). Because of this, they don't contribute to your overall score. My feeling is that they help to "round off" your application and can help leave the reviewer with the impression that "wow, this is a really great proposal". That warm impressive glow is useful when they come to mark the actual sections that contribute to your score.
While the guide for applicants says that not supplying the references will not impact negatively on your application, I think not having them will impact negatively on the impression you leave with the reviewers. I think you really should do all you can to secure good references from people with good records themselves. If your referees have "name recognition" in your field this can only help bolster your chances.
Because the references don't officially count toward the score, I would refrain from putting any information that might help your marks in them.
My feeling is that one of your referees should be your PhD supervisor. One should probably be your current boss (if you have one). These two people are the ones who should be most familiar with your work and in the best position to give you a good reference.
My other feeling is that the reference should be 100% about how great you are, rather than about explaining why you would be an asset in the lab (as asked by @IOFWriting). The reference should talk about how innovative your research has been, how the referee has been impressed by the strength and calibre of your ideas and by your potential to be a world-class researcher. I really think that your reference cannot be too over the top in praising you :-)
@IOFWriting I would think hard (in discussion with your post-doc mentor) about the reasons why they would like to have you in the lab and then try and incorporate them into the application itself where they will help gain you marks.
What are other peoples thoughts?
Hi all, I have a question about CAR. I am not in any contract or fellowship since 2009. However, I was active in research (having journal and conference publications published in 10 and 11 and some under review.). Am I eligible for the CAR panel? I think yes, however, in page 7 of the guide for applicants reads:
"...not be active in research and not have held a fellowship, or been employed under contract in
research for at least 12 months".
According to this, I can not apply for CAR.
What do you think about that?
@Yannis This is from the IEF Guide for Applicant's for this year:
"Furthermore, only for the career restart panel, experienced researchers must not have been active on a fellowship, or employed under contract, in research for at least 12 months immediately prior to the deadline for submission."
According to the above, it looks like you are eligible as you haven't been on a fellowship or under contract. What programme are you applying for?
If you are in doubt about your eligibility you should contact your National Contact Point for clarification :-)
@skymonkey, thanks a lot. I agree with you.
On the other hand, the question is... should I apply for the CAR in the first place? I am applying for the IEF - panel ENG, which in 2010 got a lower cutoff mark than CAR. If the reviewers tend to be less strict with the CAR candidates giving larger marks, then I should probably go for the CAR otherwise I should stick to the normal ENG I guess...
@Yannis, I applied for IEF ENG last year as well, so good luck! I think it is still worthwhile talking to your NCP. They're neutral people who have no input into the assessment procedure so you can ask them anything without fear of "flagging" your application.
What can also be a good idea is to talk to the co-ordinator for Marie Curie in your old university. There is usually some research officer who has experience with the applications. They might be able to advise you regarding what panel to go for.
Having said that, this time last year I was in the same position as you. Applying for IEF ENG and having been out of research for about a year or so. I just applied for the normal panel. That was due to ignorance more than anything. I didn't read any of the CAR documentation, once I read the general intro to it I assumed it was for people who had been out of research for long periods (raising families etc).
Whatever you decide though, best of luck! Let me know if I can offer any additional info :-)
Hi all,
I have a quick question regarding IEF or IIF. Are there any significant differences in getting the fellowship between the two calls?
I think I might be eligible for both programs, since I was working in an Other Third Country (USA) 12 months prior to the call deadline. In the meantime I got my PhD in a EU country and now I'm working in another EU country (which would be my host country for the application).
However, if I understand correctly, the IIF is more for to attract top talent to Europe. This reads like "multi-year PostDoc experience" which I don't have. So currently, I'm intending on applying for the IEF program.
Thanks for your help!
@skymonkey, thanks a lot, I will definitely follow your advice...
Enjoy your research!
@viserion You should check carefully that you fulfill the mobility criterion for IEF. This states:
"Experienced researchers must move from a Member State or Associated country to another Member State or Associated country; additionally, at the time of the relevant deadline for submission of proposals, experienced researchers must not have resided or carried out their main activity in the country of their host organisation for more than 12 months in the 3 years immediately prior to that deadline."
If you were in the US 12 months before the call deadline this year, and are now in the country that would act as your host country for the fellowship, then you may not fulfill it, as you would have to move from an EU member state (or an associated country e.g. Switzerland, Norway, etc...US is not one), in order to qualify.
As for differences between them, I think the IEF is certainly easier to get, or at least the cut-off thresholds for the various panels were lower than the ones for IIF, which if memory serves me, were all over 90%.
HTH
@viserion I just had a look at the eligibility for IIF. I don' think it's actually possible to qualify for both programmes.
For IIF you have to move from another 3rd country (non-EU or associated state) to an EU member state. For IEF you have to move within the EU.
You should bear in mind that when you submit your application you have to list where you have lived for the past 5 years and what country has been your "centre of life", so it will be clear at that point whether you are eligible or not.
It would be a pity to prepare a proposal and then to have it disqualified, so research exactly what programme matches your eligibility profile the best and apply for that. That's my two pennies' worth :-)
@Yannis, I am also applying for the CAR, I wasn't employed for 4 years (ouch), but I published 8 articles during this time and I attended a conference last year. The consultant that the University uses, who I am applying with, told me that I am still eligible for the CAR panel. For me it worth doing as last year the cut-off for CHEM was higher than CAR, which is the most appropriate scientific panel for the proposal I am writing.
@Yannis, by the way, if you choose to apply for CAR, can tell me, please, if this is somohow identified in your form A. The problem is: I have already registered for this panel. During my registration I have indicated "YES" for the restart career, and in form A3 I also indicated that I intend to restart career, but when I was filling the A1 form, there was no CAR panel as a choice in the Panel list and it is also not indicated anywhere else. According to Annex 3 of The Guide for Applicants it should be in a form as a choice of panel, if I understood it correct. So now I am kind of confused, whether a system mistake happened or it is supposed to be like that. I contacted EPSS and they just answered "The information you have supplied during the registration phase is not inherited in the EPSS account since it is considered indicative only. It cannot be modified after the registration but this data is NOT used for the evaluation of the proposal. Make sure that the correct information is present in the A forms and Part B." But if there is no indication of CAR in my forms, will they evaluate it from the number of month I am not employed or how?
Hi everybody,
I'm confused by sections b1.5 and b1.6 for IOF.
Titles for the two sections are
b1.5 Host research expertise in the field (outgoing and return host)
b1.6 Quality of the group/supervisors (outgoing and return host)
but in the explanation for b1.5 there is "The host institution must explain its level of experience" (therefore only outgoing host it seems), and for b1.6 "Similar information as above should be provided for the scientist in charge of the supervision of the project".
Am I correct if I interpret this as for b1.5 "the University of Canberra has international collaborations with" and for b1.6 "Prof. John Smith produced the following...".
Many thanks, this proposal is quite confusing sometimes
@svi, this is from "EVALUATION GUIDANCE NOTES
for Marie Curie Individual fellowships" (I think, it is very good lay-out to use)
Host scientific expertise in the field:
- Is there information on the Host Institute explaining its level of experience on the
research topic of the proposal?
- Is there information on the Host Institute documenting its track record of work,
including all international collaborations?
- Is there information on the Host Institute regarding their participation in projects,
publications, patents and any other relevant results?
- Is there information provided on the scientist in charge of the supervision of the
project, including participation in projects, publications, patents and any other relevant
results?
Quality of the group/supervisors:
- Has the Host Institute demonstrated its track record of previous training
achievements, especially at an advanced level within the proposed field of research?
Good luck!
Thanks Olga, but I still think is confusing, because they mix together host institute and scientist in charge. Let's say I'm going to Harvard for the outgoing phase, does it mean I need to write the international collaboration of Harvard? really? and their publications and patents?
And for b1.6, while they ask about the quality of group/ supervisors, in the layout for referees they ask about the track record of the host institute. If it's not confusing I don't know what it is.
If I were a referee I know I would prefer more emphasis on the group than on the insitute, but they probably keep requiring info on the insitute since small institution are allowed to participate.
Another question. Do you guys write about yourself and the project in third or first person?
"Dr Smith will do" or "I will do"? I would go straight with "I", but the exmaples or previuos applications I found online are or a mix of the passive and active voice or straight passive.
Many thanks.
@svi, I don't think they really need to now all the publications and patents of "Harvard", but I think it worth to mention RELEVANT ones from research group you want to go, as well as their collaborations with RELEVANT people/companies/institutions. Track record are people that your scientist in charch has trained (PhDs, PhD students, how many, were they successful later) in which RELEVANT projects they were enabled etc. (FELLOWS, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, but that how I understand this points).
About myself, I am writing the whole B3 in the 1st person (other sections in the 3rd), my husband who got IEF last year wrote it in the 3rd person. IMHO, it is harder to write in the 1st person, but it is more logical, as far as you are supposed to write you proposal personally. But I don't think it makes much difference.
oops in the previous comment: charch = charge
oops in the previous comment: charch = charge
Hey Olga, you are very helpful. I think that you are right, at least I have the same opinion, but the specifics could have been clearer. I think I will write in first person as you are doing (I already wrote it that way), it feels weird write about yourself in third person.
Another layer of confusion is provided by the online guidelines of UBC, which in b2.3 write about UBC expertise in training experience researcher, while I'd focus on the specific group I will work with.
Re: 1st vs 3rd person, as Olga says, it doesn't matter. Go with whatever you feel more comfortable with. The training experienced researcher section is important. One of the most common reasons for getting low marks is "the project contains no clear training component", so it you need to drive home that the host has the experience and resources to support you. Find out if your host institute has hosted people under any of the European Framework programmes before and list these.
I also included the number of post-docs in the lab and the various disciplines covered (ones that were relevant to my project that is).
I don't know if there are still a lot of people like me, i.e. still first on the reserve list with no news, however a new update of the status of proposals for IEF is now available.
I noticed something new in this update for the CHE panel: a proposal which was previously graded C (i.e., rejected) in December in now appeared in the list and is "in negotiation" ... Does it mean that proposals which were probably in a redress procedure will be funded before the proposals of the reserve list ?
@Olga, thanks for the reply, it make sense that we are both eligible or CAR. With respect to you question, if I understood correctly, the only think you have to do in order to be evaluated under the CAR panel is to say YES in the question "Are you applying for this grant in order to resume a career after a break" in section A3.
Thats it.
However, you also have to chose one of the rest panels in order to have your proposal reviewed by specialists in your research topic.
@Yannis, OK, thanks. it is just strange that there is no other identification of CAR panel in the form apart from the question. But if this is the only thing to do, then that's it. Good luck!
This is a great site, thanks for all the info/tips!
I have a question with regard to A1 (IEF). For the abstract it says in the User Guide: "The abstract should, at a glance, provide the reader with a clear understanding of the objectives of the proposal, how they will be achieved, and their relevance to the Work Programme."
What do they mean with the 'relevance to the Work Programme'? Interdisciplinary aspects of the proposal, training aspects, something else?
One more question regarding reference. Should I place them at the end of B1 or I could put them at the end of part B, i.e. in the last few pages? I've read somewhere (I can not find the link) that both options are ok. However, this year in the description of B1.1 says:
"The most relevant biographical references should be provided, and must be included in the overall page count."
Well, what overall means? the 8 pages of B1 or the 27 pages of part B?
Sorry to bother you all but I am very happy with my 8 pages B1, and I have an extra page of references that I need to handle.
@Yannis Unless it has specifically changed for this year, I think both options are ok. I know some people put the references at the end of B1 and others (like me) put all of the references at the end of the entire section B.
Provided no individual section exceeds the recommended page count and provided the overall page count for Part B including references does not exceed the total recommended page count, I think it is ok.
@Cory When they talk about "Work Programme" I think they are referring to the "People Work Programme" of the Marie Curie Actions. There are other Work Programmes (e.g. Ideas, etc).
I can only speak from my own proposal last year. My abstract just pitched my project. I didn't specifically mention anything about the Work Programme in it, it is quite short, so I just gave a couple of sentences that set the scene in the field, couple of sentences about why my project was necessary, a couple of sentences outlining the idea, and so on. My goal was that after reading the abstract the reviewer had a good general idea about what I was going to do and why I thought it was a good idea.
Hi everybody!
I found a lot of useful information here, thanks a lot)
I have a small question and I will be grateful for help. Now I am preparing the proposal for IEF call. I read in Guide that the applicant can be of any nationality. However, they did not clarify one thing (or I missed this...): if you have no EU nationalty, is there some limits like "...you have to work in EU at leas three years before deadline..." - I heard about such rules on other conference.
For example, I am of "other third country" nationality, but last 2.5 years I work in EU. Can I apply to IEF to move from one EU country to another one?
@Dima I think you are fine. But you should check with your National Contact Point to make sure :-)
Good luck!
2 skymonkey: thanks! I will try to contact them. If I obtain clear answer, I will post it here.
@Cory, Re abstract. I think they want to see in the abstract that a project is relevant to the goals of the call. Thus, the abstract should refer to this goals somehow (eg. knowledge transfer, training, the scientist, who will achieve maturity etc), depends on the call.
The third variant of giving references: a reference is incorporated in the text and located at the end of the sentance like this [Journal, year, issue, page].
@Dima, I don't think there is a problem with you nationality: lots of Russians, Indians and Chinese apply for IEF. You can see it in the statistic from last year. I am not an exception... ;)
Hi,
I am applying for IIF this year again. I am from India but working as postdoc in US for last 2 years. What should be the 'third country' for me?
Last year I used 'India' in the form and their was no problem. This time someone from my host administration told me that it should be 'USA'.
Anyone?
Hello,
Thank you all for the very useful comments here! I have a question about the IEF scheme. I have been in the host institute for 7 months now, how do you think I should justify the proposal in terms of the mobility criteria? I have already started working on my project and my supervisor is paying, of course he and I will be happy to get external funding.
Could you write me what should be the person to write in the proposal - 'the applicant' or 'I'? Is there any difference?
@ss I think the "third country" should probably be the US. I think it is supposed to be where your "centre of life" is currently and as you have been working there as a post-doc for 2 years, I think the US fits the bill closer than India. It will also (presumably) be the country that you move from if you are successful. Again, if in doubt, contact your National Contact Point.
@Mima I don't know what to say here. While you meet the eligibility criteria, I think it may go against you that you are already working at the host institute and have been for seven months, and you could get lower marks for the mobility sections. I would do my best not to draw too much attention to it, without misleading the reviewers. What do others think?
@mm The conclusion we've come to is that it doesn't matter if you use "I" or "the applicant". Do whatever you feel more comfortable with. Applications that have used both approaches have been funded, so the REA has no preference. It is more important that the content of the proposal knocks their socks off!
HTH
Bonjour everyboby!
I am preparing an IEF submission and found helpful hints on this page, thanks a lot.
However, I don't know what they want to ear when they ask:
In the project part: “Outline the benefit that will be gained from undertaking the project at European Research Area (ERA) level and how the fellowship will contribute to enhance ERA research excellence”
Or in the impact part: “Describe the extent to which the project will increase the attractiveness of the European Research Area for researchers, increase ERA competitiveness”
And, this is my biggest problem: “the benefit of the mobility to the ERA”?
This IEF and mobility will be first beneficial for myself, and apart from the possibility to create collaborations within Europe or increase the excellence of European research (because my project is good and will bring new insights ;-)), I don’t know what to write… can someone help me?
Other question: I am leaving Germany for this IEF in France, but my intention is not to come back in Germany but to stay in France in the host institute and try to get there a position, is it bad regarding the aim of an IEF? Do they prefer that the fellow comes back in is lab or country?
Merci for your help!
@Lise, my intention is also to lieve Germany and settle in UK but I don't tell it derectly in proposal ;) Specify that you want to make your career in EU, which is important for ERA.
Thanks Olga, I see;-)
Any other ideas for the benefit of the mobility and fellowship to the ERA?
@Lise/Olga There are loads of official policy documents on the ERA website that relate to building up Europe as a centre of technological innovation. Take a look through some of them (skim reading is all you need), and cite them when writing this section as you talk about how amazing and innovative your own project is.
@Lise/Olga I organized my section like answering the question: why is a leading role of Europe in my area of investigation necessary?
The advice of skymonkey is a nice one. I'm in a climate change problem, so that was pretty easy.
I just noticed that you are applying for a IEF, so it's more tricky (for me it is easier since I apply for IOF).
Thanks skymonkey and svi.
I am not a native speaker and some english expression are quite obscure to me. What does mean in clear "to reach professional maturity"?
I am postdoc for quite long (9 years), so, is it to get a permanant position of researcher/prof?
And what is the difference with "reach research independance"?
It's awfull! I have the impression they ask several times the same things, how can you avoid to repeat almost the same?
@skymonkey and svi, that are really good advices, thank you
Lise, basically yes, I intend it as a permament excellent position (at the end they are giving you a lot of money. So, with that, will you be able to make the final step to awesomeness?). you can reach professional maturity, but not research independence. I stressed the fact that I could land fantastic position either within or outside academia, given what I will acquire during fellowship (knowledge and competencies).
Yes, there is A LOT of repetition and i think you need to find some ways to say the same things with maybe a different point of view or simply a different structure. You are still in time to hire a professional writer for 10-20 hrs, I will do that over the weekend to finish off things.
thanks Skymonkey, for your suggestions.
@svi, thank you for your hints, they helped me to find a mixed way to do it.(the professional writer would of help to finish, but I am really far to have written all...)
Guys, did you use arial for your proposal? I used times new roman 11, and all my pages are full, but i noticed that in the template they used arial 11 for the subtitles, so basically there is no indication for text. In the guidelines only point 11 is specified, but no font is required, apparently. I don't want to mess with the proposal for the font.
@svi, yes, they only specify the minimum font size is 11. After comparing the different fonts, I finally use Arial Narrow 11 and can then gain half a page every 3 pages, that's useful! (I did it also last year and they took it without problem)
Lise, wonderful, thanks a bunch for the hint. My proposal is tremendously dense.
I have seen a proposal from last year with Times new roman
Thanks Olga, it would have been a pain to delete parts right now that I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
@skymonkey
Thanks a lot for your answer and sorry for my late response! I was checking with my NCP and in fact it seems like I'm technically eligible for both grants.
However, the "strong recommendation" is that I apply for IIF, since I will have good arguments for the required "transfer of knowledge" from a 3rd country to the EU. So, I guess IFF it is then ;)
If my name has national fonts, should I use them in form A3 or use an English equivalent?
Something about fonts: I am using Times in latex, also used it last year with no problem. In that case, adding "\usepackage{txfonts}" in the header makes is a lot denser and could save a few pages.
Regarding fonts: don't get too hung up on this. In the grand scheme of things it is a small issue compared to the quality of your proposal.
One thing I would say though, is that if you are pushed for space, take a hard look at your proposal and see if you aren't perhaps being too detailed in your description. Sometimes overly detailed projects end up obscuring the "big picture" for the reviewer. Some people say that the proposal should "tell a story" in a sense. It is pitched at a level so that it describes the brilliance of the idea and why it should be funded in very clear terms to a (potentially) non-expert reviewer. But it contains enough detail so that they also know you have thought deeply about it and planned the project carefully.
Be careful about cramming very detailed technical descriptions about experimental techniques at the expense of clear, well-motivated justifications for your reasons for wanting to carry out the research in the first place :-)
That's just my thoughts!
@skym
I think you are right, fonts etc. don't matter as long as they are not very small (unreadable) and the page limits are not exceeded.
On another issue, this year's new thing is outreach activities. Are we supposed to present a detailed plan including talks to schools and universities and so on, or a statement that we are willing to work close with the outreach office of the host is enough? I don't think there is anyone with a plan of specific outreach activities at this stage...
The requirement of "outreach activities" looks at least surprising. I do not think that any applicant, able to write good scientific proposal, is a good teacher and lecturer - these are quite different things. And how can we plan "TV interviews" or "open days"??
At the moment I think that we just have to clarify our aims in this topic and underline desired activity, that's all.
yes, along with giving additional section in B5 thay also doubled the number of pages...
@svi
I am goint to apply for IOF as well. However I have some difficulities to write the integration phase. will you prepare the work plan with the re-integration phase? What they expect to do during re-integration period. I will finish the experimental phase in teh other third country. then in the return phase??I will just dissemination during the re-integration phase.
How did you manege that section?
Thanks
selcan,
in my third year, so during the reintegration phase, I will carry out a part of the project for which the return host has particular expertise. So, I definetely included the 3rd year in my GANTT. I don't think, but it is only my opinion, it is particularly savy, Marie Curie or not, to do only dissemination when you are back to Europe. If for dissemination you intend also ISI publication it is a different story.
I am currently working in Ireland since october.
I have a doubt on the elegibility rule.
May I apply for the IEF in Ireland, same host organization? (less than 12 months before the deadline and never been in Ireland before)
Thanks for the help
@lore, from what I undestand the elegibilty criteria the answer is technically, yes. However, this may only apply if you lived in another EU member state before that. If not then it will be IIF.
@olga, Yes I lived and worked in Italy before moving to Ireland.
Thanks a lot
Hello,
I am preparing an IIf application and I having problems with
B2 section. what does mean "Clarity and quality of the transfer of knowledge objectives"? can someone give me a suggestion?
Thank You
vitto
Anyone guesses what are we supposed to "sell" on the outreach activities part? Do we need to add a Gantt Chart with our selection of proposed activities? Do we need to refer to that European Chart??
Hi Vitto, I am applying for an IEF but I have also a B2 section: "Clarity and quality of the research training objectives for the researcher"
I think they want you to present as an organized list, the new knowledge (3-5 points) you will aquire (might be also theoratical knowledge in this new field, that you will get just because you will be in a specialized lab) to show that's clear in your head. (you probably also have a second section more related to skills, so keep something for it)
At least, this is what I did last year, and this part was good.
@Vitto, this is from the Guide for evaluaters:
1) Are the transfer of knowledge objectives of the proposal explained in detail?
2) Is the transfer of knowledge relevant to the European host institution?
It seams that you have to give a detailed answer on which exactly knowledge you will bring to EU, how you will do that and is this relevant to the host institution.
I've found the answer to my question - you cannot use national fonts because they are not visible in pdf files but are visible in webforms. Thanks!
@Olga and Vitto, ok, it seems to be in the other direction for IIF, but the priniciple is the same.
Olga, can I have also access to the "Guide for evaluators"? It would be very usefull, where can I find it?
http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=c
Not very good piece of news guys
hi all,
I am applying for IIF this year again. Is it a good idea to give the answers to previous years comments at the end of the project?
ss, you should not answer directly, but correct your project according that remarks.
@ss
I agree with Dima, this is what I am doing. Although I heared someone last year that they actually answered and it was successful, i think it was in this (very long) thread. But i am scared to try that...
has someone else already started to work in the host organization and just want to extend his/her stay?
Thank you for your helps gays. Now I am in trouble with the following section:
B4. Practical arrangements for the implementation and management of the project
The applicant and the host institution must be able to provide information on how the
implementation and management of the fellowship will be achieved. The experts will be examining
the practical arrangements that can have an impact on the feasibility and credibility of the project
any suggestions????
thanks
vitto
Thank you for your helps guys. Now I am in trouble with the following section:
B4. Practical arrangements for the implementation and management of the project
The applicant and the host institution must be able to provide information on how the
implementation and management of the fellowship will be achieved. The experts will be examining
the practical arrangements that can have an impact on the feasibility and credibility of the project
any suggestions????
thanks
vitto
Hello,
what does mean "genuine mobility"? what do they want Know?
again, what does mean impact of the proposed outreach activity? do we have to explain them in details? or we can just plan something
@Nic: "genuine mobility allows the researcher to work in a significant different geographical
and working environment different from the one in which the fellow has already worked
before"
@Nic, "outreach activity" is a black horse of this year. Nobody (me as well) doesn't know how detailed and planned they want to see this part and how they wi evaluate it.
"dark horse" I meant
Dear all,
Better to have a plan B !!! even C ....
Last year (leo IEF - 85/100) I posted the following info :
For your information I found THE listing of the experts 2009 in charge of evaluating the 2009 application (see people_2009.xls available on CORDIS).
I don’t know for you, but in my case no expert (well known at international level) in my area or close area….such a crap..
Of course if I got the IEF fellowship grant I will even not have a look on this….:)
My question is how ‘scientist’ without any experience at international level in the field of the applicant can evaluate her/his proposal ???
FYI: I’m a senior scientist >10yrs exp and ~ 30 peer reviewed papers as first author…
@Leo I might be wrong, but if you are already a "senior scientist >10yrs exp and ~ 30 peer reviewed papers as first author". It means that you are ALREADY mature and independent researcher. Reestablishment and development (training) of the researcher seams to be a very important point in IEF (in contrast to IIF). This might be the reason why you didn't get the grant.
Hi Olga :)
Please to hear from you and thanks for your comments, last year my fellowship proposal was well received and justified (I'm 40...).
FYI I got only 4.5/5 RESEARCHER.....so to reach a better score it is not easy or we should have 5 papers in Nature and 20 years of experiences...
@ but right I got the following comment last year :
- The potential to reinforce the applcant's professional maturity is not sufficiently demonstrated..
I'm working on it this year...but there is 2 types of applicants, termed experimented reasercher >4 years and > 10 years...
@Leo
The evaluators must take into account both the publication record and the years of experience. They don't really except someone with 5 years experience to have 20 refereed publication, on the other hand 10 publications are maybe not enough for someone with 15 or 20 years experience.
Now the justification of an already established applicant to reach professional maturity must be challenging. But I know people with permanent jobs who got IEF, so not impossible...
Thank you Olga,
i really don't understand what i have to write for the genuine mobility. do i have to prove that i am moving from a third country or what?
i really appreciate you suggestions
@MR This is actually my problem: I don't know how to assess my experience. On one side I have only 2 years of postgraduate research (PhD after 2 years followed by career break). On the other side I started working as a researcher since I was 1st year undergraduate student (about 5 years of work more like a voluntier rather then a real job, though I had a contracts every half a year). All together it is about 7 years of research work that resulted in 20+ journal reviewed articles. So when they ask how many years of experience I have I really don't know what to answer 2 or 7....
Hello everybody. do you know what they mean for "practical arrangements for the implementation and management of the project" in IIF application?
@Olga
I think it is very clear in the guide for applicants: "Only time spent on post graduate research activities should be included". So, it is how many years you have worked full-time in research, including your PhD. I guess for you it is 2 years plus your PhD time (3 years?). The time you worked before you graduated (your first degree) cannot be counted.
@Olga and MR, I also think it's clear in the Guide that they mean time spend doing PhD + the following period of research.
However, last year, my evaluator answered NO to the question "do you think the researcher has >10 years research experience?" although I had 5 years PhD + 8 years postdoc. So I am also confused but I think the evaluator did not understand himself... and what difference it makes? Is it a good or bad point to have >10 years.
@Lise
This is really strange... I guess in the A form about the researcher your stated months of experience were >120, then it doesn't make much sense...
Anyway I think that having >10 years of experience is good because you get more money, but the evaluators could be more demanding.
@MR, yes, that was strange, but this is may be the only clear thing in this guide ;-). Hey more money for >10? not bad!
@Olga: more precisely: research after obtaining the degree which would formally entitle you to embark on a doctorate.
@MR, then it is only 2years, I finished my PhD one year earlier and then I sarted a career break. Uff..its complicated. How to explain then how I got publications before I started PhD? Though it might be that is doesn't matter as far as my real research experience is still less then 10.
Yes, the 10 years date from when you obtained the degree that entitled you to begin your PhD. During the negotiation stage you need to provide proof of this, (scans of employment contracts etc).
@Lise if you are successful and the evaluator has said that you don't have 10 years experience (and you do), then you can bring it up during negotiations
@skymonkey, yes, I did not worry too much about it since I can easily prove it.
But I have another problem with the second question of the B2 part of IEF: "Relevance and quality of additional research training as well as of transferable skills
offered"
The training objective I described in the first B2 question are also "additional research training", do I habe to repeat them in the second question, or what they want in the second question are only the so called "complementary skills" such as: writting papers, grants, presentation, management.... ? and what else can I tell here?
@skymonkey. It depends on your situation. I did not have to provide copies of the contracts my post-docs for the GPF/negotiations. It might be that your host institution wanted to see the contracts. And I expect to start in January FYI...
@Honey, it was actually the Project Officer from the ERA side who was looking for them, so perhaps it is different depending on who you is overseeing your negotiations :-)
@Lise I remember well that much of the IEF application seems to ask for the same information multiple times!
Other things that you might be able to include are: training in issues surrounding intellectual property, patents, commercial exploitation. I would group some of the things you have already included into a broader "scientific management" training, which could include writing of grant applications (which you have mentioned), but also budget management, things like that. Part of the point of the IEF is to allow you to reach a position of "professional maturity" so writing an impressive training section is important. I know one of the most common reasons for people scoring poorly in their proposals is that they "contain no training component", so think hard about novel techniques, equipment, etc you will be exposed to.
Thank you for the blog. It has been really useful. One question, Do the "Authorised representative to sign the grant agreement or to commit the organisation for the proposal" or the "principal investigator" have to sign any form to complete the submission process after you submit the proposal? or they just receive an email informing that the proposal has been submited? My host institution just gave me the information but nothing else, and my advisor is wondering if they have to sign something during the submission process. Thanks
@Skymonkey, so you mean I have to recall the trainings (which diversify/broaden my expertise, but I explained it already!) of the first question in the second one?
Thank you for the ideas for the complementary skills.
Sorry, I have again another big doubt which occurs often: When they ask in B3 and B5: "Describe the potential of the researcher to reach/acquire ....... " I never know if they want me to explain that my own intellectual capacities or experience are good enough to learn new things...
or if they speak about the fellowship itself, i.e. how the fellowship will give me the potential to reach research independence (for example)???
and I even wonder if it might not be different in B3 and in B5???
Thank you really for your help, it's so hard!
Hello,
i am italian and i am in canada since january 2008. Before that i carried out my research activity in italy. Now i am applying for an IIF fellowship to go back to italy.Based on the applicant giude i am elegible. is it true?
thank you
@gianni, yes you are elegible for IIF
Hi olga, before 2008 i worked in the same host institution that now i am applying for. am i ok? is my mobility genuine? and how can i prove that?
@gianni My husband is returning to the same instirution in which he did his PhD ;) but via IEF. I think you should say which new knowledge you got in Canada and able to transfer to EU institution and also whether the research objectives and research methods will difer from those you had in the host institution before
thank you very much olga
@Lise
I interpret it as: how the fellowship will give me the potential and opportunity to obtain new knowledge?
Thank you svi, I think it's right.
does anyone know what are the ERA green paper? can they help me to prove that my project is important for europe? where can i find them? are they essential?
in other words, how can i prove that my project will contribute to European excellence and European competitiveness
I am also having the similar problem with Olga. I have experience >10 years, however it is so difficult to prove it. Also you have to prove it with the number of our publications. It is a very critical point, even your prosal might be discharged!
@selcan But then again the same question about my experience: my publications spread in the period of 2003-2011. But my only postgraduate research is 2005-2007... I think I will go for a good explanation of this in B3.1. But in form A I will write according to what they ask.
Dear all in my case I just put >10 year postdoctoral experience
Top top web-site !!! idem last year I will have a look regularly. Will focus on the proposal all the WE...
All the best from Austria.
Dear all,
I am applying for the IEF second time (the first time last year and I am still on the reserve list). In the section A1 and A3 they ask if I have already submitted similar proposal. SHould I say yes in both sections? or only yes in A1 and no in A3.
Thank you very much for your help
@Al, I am in the same situation than you, my NCP said to me to say yes in both sections
@waitingforgoodnews
Thank you very much. I hope that this year we will be more lucky.
Dear All,
For IEF what is the clear difference beetween:
B.4.2. Practical arrangements for the implementation and management of the research project
AND
B.4.4. Practical and administrative arrangements and support for the hosting of the Fellow
not clear at all for me.......
Dear both !
@ AI
@waitingforgoodnews
same for me, in IEF 85/100 last year.....
For A1 = yes !!
but for A3 = not
Only if you beneficiated from a previous funding MC action according to the Guide for applicants
But I agree it is not clear as for A1, anybody with better idea or advice ???
Dear All,
What is the difference between these two persons in A2 form?
1. Person in charge (For the co-ordinator (participant number 1) this person is the one who the Commission will contact in the first instance)
AND
2. Authorised representative to sign the grant agreement or to commit the organisation for this proposal
@leo,
are you sure ? where did you have the info because my NCP told that I have to put yes for A1 and A3
@mry, I have just a look in my form (it was filled by some administrater in the host institution): Person in charge is my future(?) supervisor and 2)somebody from the administration who has relevant power (in my case Deputy Secretary): it is better to ask in your Institution.
Submitted on CHE-IOF panel.
Last year I got 88.4, let's see how it goes this time with a different project and all.
@Leo and mry This is from the Guide
A1 "A ‘similar’ proposal or contract is one that differs from the current one in minor ways."
A3 Have you submitted or are you in the process of submitting another proposal for Marie Curie actions IEF, IOF, or IIF or have you previously benefited from Community funding under Marie Curie actions? "Each researcher may only submit one proposal at a time for the following actions:
• Marie Curie Intra-European Fellowships (IEF),
• Marie Curie Outgoing International Fellowships (IOF),
• Marie Curie Incoming International Fellowships (IIF),
Having several proposals in the application procedure for one or more actions at the same time may render your
proposal ineligible. New or similar proposals are eligible to be submitted only after the evaluation procedure of the
relevant round has been terminated.
Please note that the Research Executive Agency will not conclude another grant agreement for the same project.
If you have previously benefited from Community funding under Marie Curie actions in the same field, you should
demonstrate (in part B) the substantial added value of the new project.
Indicate here the action name, year and the proposal or contract number.
From what I understand you have to include for:
A1 proposal with similar topic (e.g. from last year)
A3 you have to name ALL proposals that have even been submitted for MC action (including from last year), both siccessful and not successful. If your evaluated proproposal from last year is still pendeling in the reserve list and will be funded then the current one (call 2011) will become immediately ineligible
Dear Olga,
Thank you very much.
@gianni
is your topic/research important for the main aims of ERA (see website). How so? Why a leading role of Europe is important?
Your project could be within a researc topic (and it surely it is) of great international relevance (and so also fo Europe), don't think only abut your specific research, but also about the great research question behind it.
@ Olga and mry
So it means that we should put YES as well for the A3 form ???? even if the proposal was in C list ??
Thanks for your answer and nice WE !
Dear all,
How can I know whether similar project was submitted in previous call or in this call?
Dear all,
How can I know whether similar IEF project was submitted in previous call or in this call?
?f you are applying with a revised project for the same call Put YES!
Because tey want to see the revision in the proposal.
a similar IEF project means, someone from your colleages might apply with the same subject. you can say No freely, if you create your own proposal
Hi guys,
the maximum font is 11, but does this apply to the references in part B1? Can they be placed at the end of the document?
By the way, is there a maximum number of pages?
thanks!
Hi guys,
the maximum font is 11, but does this apply to the references in part B1? Can they be placed at the end of the document?
By the way, is there a maximum number of pages?
thanks!
@Leo, from what I understood in the guide yes, you have to put it in both A1 and A3. I think they need to see straight ahead that you didn't get fund already for the similar topic.
By the way, it just crossed my mind. Does anybody know what they mean in b1.6 about gender issues: only that they want to keep more women in science or anything elce?
@Olga,
you can also include that a policy of no discrimination is followed. But, what is weird for me is that in the guideline says: "HERE RELEVANT, any.....", what does that where relevant exactly means???
@NK thank you very much, very helpful notice! I understand "Relevant" as "applicable or to you and your project"
@waitingforgoodnews
@Leo
I have just received the answer from my NCP and he told me to put yes for A1 section and no for the A3 section
@waitingforgoodnews
@Leo
@Al
I am in the same situation: Ihave just spoken to my NCP, who told me to put yes for both A1 and A3!
@waitingforgoodnews
@Leo
@Al
@ra
I really like this!!! :))))
It's great to see this comment thread still up and running; I found it very useful last year, and expect it to be so again!
Anyway, question for the eternally helpful skymonkey: I seem to remember from about a million comments upstream that you said you were successful on your second application to the IEF. If so, can I ask by how much your scores and project differed from the original submission? Also, do you know if they made reference to the original evaluation report second time round?
The reason I ask is that I made the reserve panel in the IOF last year, though am unlikely to make it through. In the meantime, I've resubmitted the same project (though having factored in the reviewer comments) to the IEF scheme (with a different host). I'm finding it very difficult to get info on second applications, so any experience you have here would be very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Lodore
The one thing that is blindingly clear is that it is not clear, especially for the A3 part.
In light of all the answers, I will put yes in both sections because I'll notify the call where I have submitted (i.e., last year) so they can see that I submit only one proposal this year and they can check that I was not funded last year ...
@ waitingforgoodnews
I finally put YES for A1 as well for A3 nothing to lose anycase..It emphases that I resubmit a none funded proposal @Olga :)
Hi everyone,
I have a question, I am resubmitting from last year and I have addressed the reviewers' comments. I was wondering if it is better to include a page stating that the same proposal was submitted last year and received this score, and explaining the changes made. Or whether it is best to just address the comments in order to improve but without any extra information. I am a bit conflicted about this...
thanks a lot :)
@ AI
@waitingforgoodnews
@ leo
I have the same confusion. But, I think both should work. Even if you say 'yes' for A1 and 'no' for A3, they should be able to see whether or not ur previous project was funded?
@ cerrinv
Last year I kept the ref at the end of B1 section (within page limit of 8 pages. I used 10 font size for ref. an there was no negative comment about it.
hope it helps!
@dd
I am just keeping the last year's comments answering them.
I think reviewers will already have the detailed information.
@ss
yes it can work and I don't think they would consider your proposal ineligible just because of that.
However, the info provided for A1 and A3 can appear incoherent in this case, and I don't think it's a good point
@Lodore, I don't think I have any helpful information to you. Last year was my first application to the IEF. I had previously applied for a fellowship programme (twice!) in Ireland that was specific to the country and jointly funded by the Irish Research Council and the Marie Curie Actions. At the time I asked my NCP how to answer the question about whether a "similar proposal had been submitted to the MC programme". As the Irish programme wasn't part of the IxF actions, the NCP said to answer "no".
The application was much different as well: Irish programme 7 pages, IxF 25 (or whatever it was).
If it helps, my scores were:
Year 1, Irish application (jointly funded by MC): My score 80.5 (cut-off 85)
Year 2, Irish application: my score 85.5, cut-off 87
Year 3 IEF: my score 92.1 (ENG panel), cut-off (87, I think)
The project I submitted in the second year of the Irish programme was different to the one I had submitted in Year 1.
The project I submitted to IEF was an expanded and revised version of the one I sumitted to Year 2 of the Irish programme.
My scores increased for a number of reasons I think. One was simple practice! If you submit applications over a number of years and take any comments on board, the proposals are bound to get a bit better each time. The other reason was that the IEF Guide for Applicant's was really detailed, and I made sure that I wrote each section with the guide open to ensure that every point mentioned in the guide was addressed, backed up with references if appropriate, and trying to drive home the point of how brilliant my idea was (hahaha!). Another great help was having a friend (also an academic but in a completely unrelated area) read my application. Coming from outside the field, they were able to tell me which part of my application made sense and were clear, and which parts were a little overcomplicated or losing the reader in too much detail. If you can have someone do this for you I would recommend.
Sorry I don't have more specific help for you!
@Lodore, I don't think I have any helpful information to you. Last year was my first application to the IEF. I had previously applied for a fellowship programme (twice!) in Ireland that was specific to the country and jointly funded by the Irish Research Council and the Marie Curie Actions. At the time I asked my NCP how to answer the question about whether a "similar proposal had been submitted to the MC programme". As the Irish programme wasn't part of the IxF actions, the NCP said to answer "no".
The application was much different as well: Irish programme 7 pages, IxF 25 (or whatever it was).
If it helps, my scores were:
Year 1, Irish application (jointly funded by MC): My score 80.5 (cut-off 85)
Year 2, Irish application: my score 85.5, cut-off 87
Year 3 IEF: my score 92.1 (ENG panel), cut-off (87, I think)
The project I submitted in the second year of the Irish programme was different to the one I had submitted in Year 1.
The project I submitted to IEF was an expanded and revised version of the one I sumitted to Year 2 of the Irish programme.
My scores increased for a number of reasons I think. One was simple practice! If you submit applications over a number of years and take any comments on board, the proposals are bound to get a bit better each time. The other reason was that the IEF Guide for Applicant's was really detailed, and I made sure that I wrote each section with the guide open to ensure that every point mentioned in the guide was addressed, backed up with references if appropriate, and trying to drive home the point of how brilliant my idea was (hahaha!). Another great help was having a friend (also an academic but in a completely unrelated area) read my application. Coming from outside the field, they were able to tell me which part of my application made sense and were clear, and which parts were a little overcomplicated or losing the reader in too much detail. If you can have someone do this for you I would recommend.
Sorry I don't have more specific help for you!
@ skymonkey:
Thanks for taking the time to answer! All the advice is good, and I'll implement it where I can.
I too have put in for national schemes before, but to no good effect. For all that the IOF/IEF application process is an astronomical pain in the ass, I'll say this for it: it forces you to think through every step of the process. With the national schemes, the brevity forces you to cut corners and leave things implied--something that *never* happens with the MC.
So, buried in the quicksand of Part B.2.c.(iii), it might we worth reflecting that it could be *worse* ....
I'll apply for the IOF.
Is it reasonable to think I may start getting paid in March 2012?
Hello
Do you think that in
"B 2.2 Relevance and quality of additional research training as well as of transferable skills offered with special attention to exposure to the industry sector, where appropriate"
they only want things like supervising students, learning to manage projects, etc? Or do they want everything we will learn that is new, specifically related to the project or not?
Also, everytime they ask about how something will be relevant to our career, do they want generalities, or must we know exactly in what area will we work?
Thank you!
@JPR It is possible if you get in the list A and the negotiations will proceed smoothly. Otherwise it can take much much longer
@JPR Generally I would say not. Even if you are in the initial A list it is pushing it to get the negotiations completed in time for a start in March 2012.
However, there is a potential work-around. Once negotiations are underway, you can tell the ERA that March 2012 is your desired start date. You can begin, but your HOST must cover your costs until the grant agreement is signed. After the agreement is signed the ERA will pay the money in total, dating from March 2012. The host gets repaid what it paid to cover you, then you receive the money as normal from the ERA after that.
To be honest, it seems like a lot of hassle with a LOT of potential for people on both sides (host and ERA) to mess it up, so unless it is really a life or death issue with you (no other source of income), I would avoid it and take a later start date (your project officer will suggest a likely date by which negotiations will have concluded).
HTH
Hi all,
Is it possible to change contact person after IEF acceptance?
@skymonkey
Thanks! Yep, it would be a matter of having subsidized housing or not. We'll see. One step at a time, right? Let see if my proposal is accepted for starters...
Hello all,
This long thread has been really useful, we're all on the last stretch now!
Just a question for IEF, how closely is is advisable to stick to the structure, i.e. Section B1.1 = Research and Tech Quality? I am asking because I currently have a brief introduction "Project background and rationalization" as my first section, because having all the stuff about originality and timeliness AFTER describing the project quality and methodology seems backwards. I have written a lot for the Originality and Timeliness sections too, but wanted an introduction to set the scene. Do people think this is a good idea? Thanks for taking the time to answer.
To be honest, a lot of the structure seems quie oddly ordered for the whole application!
@Becky Generally stick to the structure. However, I took a small liberty with Section B1. My first page was like an extended abstract that laid my project out v generally. I had short paragraph that: briefly set the scene; my motivation; said what my idea was; small overview of technique; backed up my project by highlighting innovation, impact, and importance to Europe. My hope was that after reading page one, the reviewer's interest would be piqued and they would want to read more.
Hi all,
Is it possible to change contact person after IEF acceptance?
and
Is a monthly salary paid to the scientist in the host organization?
@Leonardo By contact person do you mean the person who you submit the project with? (Your mentor/scientist in charge of the group).
I'm not sure if it is possible to change after acceptance, as this would mean re-negotiation of the agreement, I think. If you have doubts now, it would be better to change the scientist in charge when submitting the forms through EPSS? This seems like the easiest thing to do.
The only person who gets a salary is you, the MC Fellow. The university gets contributions to overheads, and things like social insurance. This comes out of the "Living Allowance" part of the budget. All monies relating to the project are handled by the university research office.
HTH :-)
Hi dear all,
I just finish to write everything!! All these §@#~¤^& sections! As mentioned earlier by Lodore, a real pain in the ass!! I feel so much better that I need to tell someone! and before I forget, many, many thanks for the help provided.
Just another check of everything tomorrow, last effort, and SUBMISSION!! Then guys, it's finished!!
COURAGE to all of you which are still struggling! Soon it's finished! (hopefully not untill next year...;-(
It's 4 in the morning, and it was an IEF...
I just finish the submission to IOF !.
Good luck to all.
see you during the evaluation
@seclan
I have submitted 14 "final" versions so far but I still keep on finding improvements that can be made. I guess that will go on for another 30 hours...
@skymonkey
Thank you very much.
Yes, I mean the person who you submit the project with. I think there may be a problem in the future and I have no enough time to change.
@skymonkey,
thank you for replying, I have edited it so that it matches their structure, but I may still put in a little introduction as you did.
It's kind of comforting to think of so many other researchers across Europe and the world all struggling to get their applications finished in the same way as me! I have to work tomorrow, so I must have mine done in the next 20 hours!
Good luck to all.
One other thing that is bothering me: my implementation section is only 4 pages, including long work plan and gantt chart. This is good as gives me extra pages for references at the end of the application, but makes me worried I am not writing enough for this section! Just can't think what else they want other than details of lab, supervison, etc.
Good luck to everyone!
I have submitted it! It`s over! I start to live again!
I wish many many luck to all of you and appreciate everyone who tried to answer on my stupid questions))
This forum is a great idea! Thanks!
The same... now we have 3,5 long month to wait to see the results of this suffering :) Good luck everyone: you were nice team!
@skymonkey, thank you once again for helping us!
Well done to those who have finished, and keep going to those who are still working on it! Fingers crossed it will work out!!
@Becky I didn't use up the full page allowance in my application last year. If you've written all that you can think of and it is close to the page limit, then I would leave it. Trying to fill it up just to meet the limit will probably bore both you and the reviewer. Better to have a lean, well thought out proposal, than one filled out with waffle and padding.
Good luck to all :-)
Hi guys! Thanks for all the helpful information. I found you trying to get some answers to the A3 form question "have you submitted...". I have a different proposal this year. Since the NCP answer differently and the one in my country is not very informed, I'll think I'll say Yes, hoping they'll see it's a non-funded proposal of last year.
@Becky, maybe you should detail your Implementation part. Last year I had the same situation and they pointed out "not detailed enough".
Be brave, everyone!
hi, this is a great forum:)
I am applying the second time. DO you guys keep the same acronym of your proposal?
I submitted too. Very long revision process, typos seemed to be everywhere. I think I made a convincing picture, I followed exactly the guidelines. In 3 1/2 months I won't even remember this great stress. But how good is for EU to have some of the best scientists speding 100hrs or more writing proposal with low probability of success instead of doing things?
@Svi
Marie Curie IEF is a very high probability of success compared to most postdoc funding in my field in the UK. Most below 15%, often below 5%...
I agree the application it is very complicated though (and I have not had any help from advisors at university)!
Good luck :)
@Svi, I agree with you re the time researchers spend on the writing of grant applications. The moturer scientist is, the more grant applications s/he writes, the more time s/he spends for that.
@Becky, you are right, but on the other hand the proposals in the UK (at least those that I have seen are much shorter and demand less time. If I lose NIF grant (8 pages, 6% success rate) I will be much less disappointed then if I lose MC after being working for 2 months on it!
For me too (IEF) submitted. We should be positif:
IEF 2009 = 95 M euros
IEF 2010 = 95 M euros
IEF 2011 = 109.85 M euros
So it means more projects funded ! (10 to 15 %)
All the best and see you in some weeks (3.5 months I guess)...the stress just start......idem last year...
@Leo, that's a great news (i.e., that the budget increases) but don't forget that monthly allowance have increased too this year for the futur successfull applicants... I think we should expect the same success rate than last year (since the number of applicants will probably increase too..)
Good luck to finish the proposal and for the big waiting !
... and hopefully they will not cut-off for next call...
I submitted for a IOF. In general a good help from supervisors, not great, but I understand. Low probability of success and time investment don't lead to a terrific help
Hi everybody!
I'm applying for a IOF, and I'm finishing to fill up the a2 form.. but on EPSS I found only the A2 for the European Host and not for the Third Country host. Is that normal? Thanks!
@ roberto,
maybe you did not include the Third Country host before in Proposal Setup/Proposal Participants, you have to add a second participant.
@roberto
Hi Roberto. I also applied IOF this year. A2 is the european host it is true. A3 is the third country.
I am having trouble still with the mobility B5,
they said it is crutial for IOF.
How did you manege that section?
Good luck
PORT CLOSED?
Hi, anyone know why the port is closed before the deadline? Could not submit it.
they said there is a problem with the EPSS....
@lionlion
is working for me now
@NK
Thanks! I have now accessed from the Home page. My bookmark directly to the portal didn't work.
Submit! Finger crossed!!
I submitted too!!.
Good luck
typos, typos, typos ... and submitted!
See you all in December waiting for the ranked lists and cut-off scores!
Due to an IT issue that occurred within 24 hours of the call deadline, participants are hereby informed that the call deadline is extended by an extra 24 hours and is now Friday 12/08/2011 17:00:00 Brussels Local time.
I submitted for IEF! I really can't face doing any more to it, even if the call is extended! Thanks for the help and community spirit, and good luck all!
8 minutes to go! Good luck eveyone :-)
@skymonkey
How was last year for you ???
People, did they send a e-mail to you after the deadline to confirm that proposal is submitted?
No, they didn't. Are they supposed to do so or the next step is just waiting until the end of the year?
Last year they did, I just don't know how long after the daed-line. Nothing to worry about yet, I think.
@Olga you should have received an email (at least the emails listed under the Proposal Setup --> Proposal Participant have).
To check that everything is right, on EPSS go to Prepare Proposal --> History. On the log there should be a "Proposal submitted" action
@Recovering, yes these seam to be all right. I just thought their should be also an e-mail just after the dead-line. But I might be wrong.
I case of IIF they sent an e-mail confirming my submission few days after closing date.
Nevertheless, if both sides did not get any mails within few weeks one should contact the agency (I remember there was a statement about that in guides).
last year they did send a confirmatory e-mail after the end of the deadline; this year, don't know if it has something to do with the "IT issue".
they sent a confirmation mail just after i made the submission. It is not related with the deadline!
@hopeful so you also didn't get anything yet?
@selcan Yes they supposed to send another e-mail to all register coordinaters after the deadline cofirming that the proposal is sabmitted/not submitted. From what I understood it in not autometical e-mail, so they might do it in their work hours hopefully next week.
Did not receive so far, but this time it was not written anywhere, so I am not waiting for it.
@olga: you are right; they may be sending it during work hours.
Hi everyone,
I have found this thread only after I have submitted my proposal MC-IOF in Chemistry.
I did receive e-mails confirming the changes to my proposal, but only until I had my e-mail address in the Proposal Participant - at the end I needed to change this, because the NCP told me that I cannot be the contact person in the return host. So I expect that now my both supervisors get the information...
Just recieved an acknowledgement email.
Good luck to everyone.
I also received an email IOF.
received
Hi everyone, I have also received yesterday confirmation for IOF.
Just I have heard weird news from my outgoing host: someone has submitted an IOF project in the same area with him also as project partner... and he did not even knew about it and he has no idea who the researcher is.
Is it normal to submit a proposal without all the partners knowing about it?
I am worried about what happens when the same outgoing host appears in two different projects of the same field... Has anyone heard of a similar situation?
@Lucinda: this is really weird. Your host should send a letter to the REA and ask them to cancel that submission. By submitting a proposal, in fact, it is implied that your host know about it and agrees to host the guest.
good luck everyone, @IIF from Argentina: where are you from?
@another IIF from Argentina: Buenos Aires. What about you?
@IIF from ARG: Rosario. I applied with the Curie Institut, and actually works in the IBR-CONICET in Rosario. Where you plannign to go? Good luck!
@another IIF from Argentina: Trabajo en la Facultad de Ciencias Exactas y Naturales (UBA). Somos tres que nos presentamos. Lo conoces a Nico R.?
@IIF from ARG: email me to alloatti@ibr.gov.ar :)
Thanks FR, for the comment.
I have thought the same.
The host however, has decided to wait and see what happens...
I suppose that he just wishes to give the proposal a chance. So I don't feel bad about asking to cancel someone. I just worry if my proposal is good enough and better than the other one.
I have seen from the project acronyms of the previous years, that in energy issues in Chemistry, the chances are really thin...
Hi everyone,
I have submitted my proposal MC-IEF and just recived from the Evaluation Support Service (ESS) team, the acknowledgment of receipt the proposal in the system.
Good luck to everyone.
Do you know if (somewhere) is available a chart with the number of applications received for the 2011?
I have also read that this year the budget is increased...so the number of financed projects could be higher.
the budget is higher but also the application http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
Thanks!
@Nik I think that information only becomes available in November (or around then) when they release the lists of people who have passed the initial thresholds.
I think for the 2010 intake, there were somewhere in the region of 5600 applications across all panels (I could be wrong here).
The statistics for past programmes should still be available on the Cordis website, if you dig around. It will give you an idea of how the application numbers have changed over the last couple of years.
HTH
Indeed I am wrong, on all counts! Just saw the link to the Spanish site! :-)
@franziska: Thanks for sharing the useful link.
@franziska: Thanks for sharing the useful link.
@hopeful you are wellcome, that link usually publish interesting news.
the page is in spanish! please someone can translate it :)
I think there is no need to speak spanish to understand the fundamental info. The increase of participant is lower than previous year (15% this year vs 20 % last year) which is a good news !
In parallel, there was an increase of 25 % of the total budget.
But we have still to wait to see if it will increase the overall success rate (because allowances for successful applicants also increase) but at least, the success rate should not decrease this year...
Thanks alot,
@waitingforgoodnews .
i think you made a translation mistake!
it seems there is an increase in number of applications????
the translation by @waitingforgoodnews is ok.
there is an increase in the applications in 2011 vs 2010 (15%). The increase in 2010 vs 2009 was 20%. So the increase of participants is lower this year.
the total budget has increased 25%.
FYI, guys.
FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IOF
Call identifier: FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IOF
Call title: Marie Curie International Outgoing Fellowships (IOF)
Published: 16 March 2011
Deadline: 12 August 2011*
Budget available: Total budget EUR 40 million
Number of proposals submitted: 861
Evaluation will take place in two phases (remote and central evaluations) from 12/09/2011 to 21/10/2011.
Signature of the first grant agreement is expected from 01/03/2012.
FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IIF
Call identifier: FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IIF
Call title: Marie Curie International Incoming Fellowships (IIF)
Published: 16 March 2011
Deadline: 12 August 2011*
Budget available: Total budget EUR 40 million
Number of proposals submitted: 1304
Evaluation will take place in two phases (remote and central evaluations) from 12/09/2011 to 21/10/2011.
Signature of the first grant agreement is expected from 01/03/2012.
Marie Curie Intra-European Fellowships (IEF)
Published: 16 March 2011
Deadline: 12 August 2011 (The call deadline has been extended to 12/08/2011 (+24h) due to an IT failure of the participant portal during the last 24 hours of the call)
Budget available: Total budget EUR 109.85 million
Number of proposals submitted: 3326
Evaluation will take place in two phases (remote and central evaluations) from 12/09/2011 to 21/10/2011.
Signature of the first grant agreement is expected from 01/03/2012.
@olga hi olga from where come this information?
@ thank you sounds intereting, anyway as first approximation the possiblity for the IEF 2011 are the same.
@olga thank you sounds intereting, anyway as first approximation the possiblity for the IEF 2011 are the same.
Regarding IOF, it seems that the acceptance ratio will rise from 16% (120/737) to 22.5% (120*40/28 /861).
thanks for sharing
I have just found the list of referees (2010) in this forum
http://mariecuries.com/forum/new-board/list-of-exp
@geo I dont get your formula, what does 40/28 mean?
Do you take into account the budget increase for each fellowship?
I also think that it depends on the balance of destination countries because of the correction factors
@marga, 40/28 means the increase of budget from 28 till 40 Mio..
Yes, it seams that IOF and IIF will be in slighly better situation then last year.. can't say the same about IEF.. unfortunately.
@marga
I can't see the list on the link that you gave...
ok, I had just to register
@olga, why can't you say the sIEF would likely be too in slighly better situation than last year; the budget increases too and the increase of participants is lower than in 2010
@olga, why can't you say the sIEF would likely be too in slighly better situation than last year; the budget increases too and the increase of participants is lower than in 2010
@waitingforgoodnews if you go http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
in "flash info: summary results of the evaluation" the partecipant where 2853 with 90 milion badget,
this year 3326 with 109.85 budget. the partecipant are increased of 16.58% and the budget of 22%. yes there are some more possibilities. sorry for the mistake.
last year the budget for the IEF was 95, so this year there will be no difference (more money, but more candidates too).
@new as average can be some more possiblities, because the partecipant increase of 16.58% and the buaget of 22%.
@franziska,
the budget of IEF was 95M in 2010 (not 90), thus the increase is 15.6% against 16.6% - the increase of partecipants number.
@waitingforgoodnews, the reason, why I am not sure that IEF will have the higher success rate this year is due to following iterration:
There was 530 successful proposals last year, according to the list published in July (I don't take into account those which are still in the reserve list as they are not likely to be funded). To put it another way the success rate was 18,6%. It also means that average budget per fellow is about 0,18M. If the average budget per fellow stays the same for this year (???) then there will be about 610 supported proposals, which corresponds to success rate of 18,3%. Thus, there is no significant change.
The same calculations for IOF show that the s.r. may grow from 16.6% up to 20% and for IIF - from 13% up to 17% as you can see the difference is more significant.
Hi every body!
First of all thank you for this 'spring' of precious information, suggestions, and personal experiences: very useful! Unfortunately I have discovered you all only now.
On the 11th August 2011, I submitted an IOF application between an UK University (in general it is pretty imp Univ in UK, and very imp. worldwide for my specific topic) and an USA University (top 5 worldwide univ).
I am at the first application proposal. Not experience of this kind before. The % of success is around 16%-20% for UK (I heard this in the web, by a not official source). My questions (that, I think, could turn useful for others) are:
1) Which is the % for the first time app? Is it the same % for the first time proposal compare to second time?
2) or first time proposal % 'goes down' because there are precedent year applications B which present again? Therefore, evaluators tend, legitimately, to favor them...
Thank you for your answer!
Best
L
I don't think they rally favor the "second year proposals". It is just that the second year proposal usually turn to be better then the first year ones. Therefor they are more successful.
Olga,
sorry, I propably used the wrong term (I am not Eng mother tongue).
Yes! I am completely agree with you and I meant the same think.
The issue, that it could be interesting to know, is the % of success of the 'first time' participants.
Best
L
Olga,
sorry, I propably used the wrong term (I am not Eng mother tongue).
Yes! I am completely agree with you and I meant the same think.
The issue, that it could be interesting to know, is the % of success of the 'first time' participants.
Best
L
does anybody know how long time pass between when they contact the university and the start of the grant for the IEF in the reserve list? thank you
@franziska, did you receive an invitation to negotiation ?
from what I heard, it takes about 3 months for negotiations and the negotiations for the reserve list begin around April (give or take month).
@ccf yes i received an invitation to negotiation last fridday from the reserve list of IEF2010
@franziska, my husband got the invitation at the mid of April, the agreement was signed at the mid of July and money came to the host institution in August. Thus, it took 4 months. He will start the grant in January, but that is his own decision
@franziska, congrats ! I am still waiting and still first on my reserve list but did not receive anything...
Did you receive the mail personally or the university received it ?
@olga thank you for the information. so may be i'll start in january or february.
@waiting.. thanks.eu send a mail to my tutor and myself in cc asking if i were still interested on it becuase they are starting the negotiaion. alos for me was surprising. i have applied again for IEF2011 for that reason. good luck to you
-1 applicant for IEF2011... Franziska, congrats!
@olga sure when i sign the contract! yes i really hope.
I just had a look to the last update of the EU concerning the status of proposal of the IEF call 2010. Finally, each panel had from 2 to 11 proposals funded on the reserve list (depending to the size of the panel and withdrawals) except the ENV panel with none invitation to negotiation for the reserve list ! Bad luck for people on the ENV panel, I hope it will be better for us this year
Dear all,
I got an invitation to negotiation few days ago for the IEF SOC panel.
-2 applicants for the IEF 2011
I wish all of you good luck for the next round
@ fingerscrossed
Congrats! If I understood correctly, were you on the reserve list under the IEF 2010 call?
Did you re-apply again for the IEF 2011 call with the same proposal?
@CCf
Based on your latest search on the EU site, do you think those that were on the reserve list under the IEF 2010 and received invitation to negotiate now, will get funding under the budget of IEF 2011?
I am just confused as to how funding isworking between the reserve list candidates and the applicants of future MC calls. Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
@ik those who were on the reserve list under the IEF call 2010 and received now an invitation can't be refunded this year (if they had reapplied and in general this is the case), their application will be withdrawn. This is specified somewhere in the guide for applicants
@lk Those who got the invitation from Reserve list IEF 2010, will be funded from the budget of 2010. The idea is that they spend all the money from this budget. Obviously, they haven't done it yet for the call IEF2010
@ Olga, it was likely the last round of funding for people on the reserve list for the IEF call, I think the budget is now over
@waiting... I think so too.
@ IK
I was third in the B list of SOC and I should get funded from the 2010 budget. I have re-applied with the same project for the 2011 and, if everything goes well with negotations, I will withdraw my application in due time.
I am not sure it is the last round of negotiations but I think it is since for IIF and IOF they have alreay published that "not likely to be funded" list. However, there is still the possibility that people in the B list now invited to negotiate will withdraw. Lat years negotations went on until January.
maybe a strange question, but what happens if somebody successfully got a grant but decides after some months (e.g.) personal reasons)to quit. What happens with the money? Next call?
@cristal i think the same call if are stil opne the reserve list. otherwise next call.
Do you know when some preliminary information about 2011 applications will be available?
Basically on research participant portal: http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
at the Latest information on call section of corresponding call. And here, of course :) May be even earlier than official releases come
First portion of information should be at the middle of November
What kind of information are we supposed to receive first?
The score and later on which list we belong to (A, B, C, D)?
last year, we received the evaluation summary report (ESR) on 25th November. The ESR give the score of your proposal and the reviewer's comments.
The score is very helpfull to give you an idea of your ranking and the possibility to be funded. You can compare then your mark and the cut off score of previous year but cutoff scores can be very different from on year to another.
After that, you have to wait for a very long time, i.e. on month, to knwo the status of your proposal (A, B, C ...)
The cutoff score of last year are here:
@waiting... Thanks!
Another thing. Suppose that your score is above the cutoff score. How does that imply your status? I mean, if the cutoff is 88, and you get a very rare 95, I guess you can be pretty sure that you'd end up in the A list. But how about 89? Can you get in the B or the C list?
Sorry if this has already been asked before, but it's quite confusing to go through all the previous posts!
I am not sure to understand your question, but if the cutoff score is 88 and you have 89, you're in the A list, for sure. I mean this is the cutoff score between the A and the B list.
The problem is that if you have 88 and you learn that the cutoff score will be 88, you can't be sure to be in the A list because several candidates can have the same score. In case of ex aeco, the ranking is made according to your mark in the different criterion (researcher ...) as indicated in the guide.
We'll have probably the occasion (and the time) to speak about that a lot of times in this forum ...
@waiting...
You gave me exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!
Prevously to your score and evaluation report, a list with projects that have passed the threshold is published.
Does anyone knows how many reviewers will see our application? I applied for IEF.
"Eligible proposals are assessed in a single phase process. Each eligible proposal is evaluated by at least three experts remotely. Consensus meetings are held between the three evaluators to produce a single consensus report. One of the experts is designated as Rapporteur. It is her/his responsibility to produce the consensus report,
and this report must reflect the views of the 3 evaluators."
Only a month or so to go until initial scores!
where i can find 2011 IIF outcome
SR: in Additional Documents of the call. Look e.g. for 2010 page:
Thanks! I noticed that the official evaluation period was 12.09.2011 - 21.10.2011, so things should be decided by now ...
Oh, these things make me nervous!
Thanks!
The evaluators are having their conferences around this time. I know someone who is a reviewer this year and they were in Brussels last week discussing the applications. Good luck to all :-)
Fingers....
Good luck!!
Does someone knows when we can get the first results, above tresholds??
Last year this above/below threshold list was published 12.11.2010, so I guess within 2-3 weeks?
when can we know the score?
The threshold list was made available around the 18th November last year (the document may say the 12th, I don't know, but the date the documents are finalised and the dates they are released aren't always the same).
The individual scores were released on the 25th November, a week after the above/below threshold results. The first real estimates on the cut-off scores were made ~3 weeks after the scores and the first invitations were sent around the 22nd of December.
The deadline this year was about a week earlier, so everything might be shifted by 1 week.
then we will get the results in first week of november??
next week, i can not wait any longer
I think the above/below threshold list will be available soon, but even if you're above threshold, there is a high chance of not getting funding ...
@ selcan
still 3 weeks...
@MR, it seems to me that they send the first invitation earlier than the 22th December. I am pretty sure that it was around the 11th December.
@waiting...
You are right, 22 December was the date of the release of the document putting the proposals in the A B C lists. The first invitations were sent a week or more earlier than that.
Hehe, the tingling anticipation! GL!
Do you know, where the above/below threshold list will be displayed ?
@Quentin It will be released on the cordis website
@Quentin
here in the additional document part
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
in the research portal http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
in fp7 calls, latest info you can chceck when they up load.
last month... :)))and we will know who is the winner!!!!
Does anyone know the cut-off mark for IIF (CHE)? If anyone does, please let me know.
Does anyone know the cut-off mark for IIF,2010 in the CHE panel? If anyone does, please let me know.
@ sohelchem
you can find it here (link was posted already several times on this forum):
http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
Good luck!
any news?
This week above/under list???
Hope so ...
when will be the results??? 11 th November was mentioned ?
who knows.... maybe next week?
@ selcan
ehehehe, I am sure before Christmas we will know all results! :P
I can hardly wait, dear dear ...
@in wait. I do understand you.....
waiting???calm down....
I would be nice for the EU to give some notification dates instead of the rather vague timeline in the guide for applicants.
I saw they are the statistic of how many applications they had for the 2011 round, but I cannot get the file. Anybody has more news?
@ Vito
No news yet! Uffffff
I found this chart on the number applications presented
http://first.aster.it/news/show_news.php?ID=24930&
it is in Italian,but your can easily inderstand it. They say that they had a consensus meeting a Bruxelles on 12-21 october 2011 and they expect to send the Evaluation Summary Report (ESR) by half of december.
Middle of December... another month to wait. errr
ciao everybody!
The italian page that Vito linked in the post does not mention about above/below result at all.
So, do you think that the ONLY result will be the Evaluation Summary Report (ESR) at the middle of December?
thanx!
I think that the above/below treshold list should be published soon... I know that is quite useless (or stressing if your above the threshold) but I think that the evaluation reports should be out some time before dec 10th (following the pattern of previous calls).
thanx! and, your thoughts works, I agree with you
One month, we could be able to stand ;-)
ciao :-)
I do not remember where I red this information, but I quite sure to remember that the above/below treshold list will be available from the 11 of November....tomorrow!
@Nicola
are you sure?
....I notice that also Selcan (see above post) report the date of 11 of november...
I think that Nov 11th is last year's date... but nothing says that the above/below list should be out today :(. I must confess that I am veeeery anxious, this is so stressing.
@ nnnnn don't think about it!!!
At the end of the guide for applicant, there is a timetable where it is indicated that Evaluation Summary Reports will be sent to proposal coordinators at the end of November 2011 (like for the previous year in fact ...)
Maybe the info from vito is correct, however i think we have a chance to have the ESR sooner that middle of December, i.e. at the end of the month
Hi everyone, I got the MC-IEF last year (call MC-IEF-2010).
I don't remember when the above/below threshold list was published on the Cordis website (which has now been replaced by the Participant Portal). But I got my ESR by email on 25 Nov. 2010. It was addressed to the coordinator but I (the researcher) was in CC. And on 8 Dec. we got an email with the "invitation to negotiate" - which is sent to people on the A list.
I don't remember when the full list of who is on which list (Indicative Funding Decision) was published, but it was after that; according to the Participant Portal that document was released on 22 December. (There was a messup last year: The first list they published had mistakes, and projects appeared on list A which were in fact on list B. You can check this by going back exactly one year on this forum. I don't think it will happen again though. Hopefully they have learned from this.)
The year before (call 2009) I had been on list B, and I found out by checking on the website and finding the list there on 23 December. Also that year, the ESR was sent by email on 25 Nov. I never received any other communication from the REA after that, but at some point, maybe end 2010, my project moved, in the Progress Reports released every month on the website, from status "not likely to be funded" (for people on the B list further down than no. 2 or 3) to "will not be funded."
I saw that there have been questions on this forum about the time schedule in case one gets funded. I had a (hopefully unusually) bad experience in that my project only started in August this year - even though we had no issues to negotiate, no ethical issues, and we did everything immediately, and had been given May as starting date by the project officer. However, I have been told by different NCPs that the workings of the REA are fairly slow; I would not assume that a project can start as early as March, even though this is stated in the call. May or June seem more realistic if everything goes fine. (You can also check the progress reports for past calls on this issue, and the "Find a project" entry in the menu on the Participant Portal.)
Good luck to everyone. Have patience, EU beaurocracy is fairly slow. But then they pay well, so it's worth waiting.
Judith,
Many thanks for your really helpful account of your experience!
My NCP has confirmed late November as the most probable date the REA will send the ESR, so... patience.
Thanks for the information Judith!
Judith, thanx a lot for your very clear and helpful indications!
Hi, I also got an IEF last year. Dates are as follows:
Nov 22 - Above/below threshold info appeared on the site.
Nov 26 - Got the ESR.
Dec 8 - Got the invitation letter.
Have patience and good luck!
Dear all,
Does anyone know if weget the grant, do we have to joint the negotiation phase? I applied for IOF and I want to start in december, before the grant is signed.How is the negotiation phase, who must be there and where to negotiate?
Dear all,
Does anyone know if weget the grant, do we have to joint the negotiation phase? I applied for IOF and I want to start in december, before the grant is signed.How is the negotiation phase, who must be there and where to negotiate?
@selcan
The negotiation will take place between your university and the EU. next your University has to prepare documents between university and the organization from third country... you cannot begin the IOF without this documents.
Moreover the negotiation phase is through emails.
where are you going to go? which country and University???
@IOF-USA
thanks for the reply.
I will go to Boston to MGH-Harvard.
However my supervisor in Boston wants me to start in january, because I will get my salary from my country for 6 months.
That is why I wonder if I must be in my country during the procedure to prepare the documents etc. I know that if I have the grant I can officialy start. But I want to learn If I can fallow the procedure dur?ng my stay ?n boston? do you think that I should come and arrange something in my country if I win the grant???
@ selcan
I don't understand where is the problem? You have a grant for 6 months, you may start in Juanry to work at the MGH_Harvard, the negotiation are via e-mail, if you need to sign some documents at your University in Europe, do not forget about courier (DHL, UPS....), you may simple send them :)))))
More difficult will be with visa = work permition in USA for 2 years....
@IOF
the problem was I thought that I must be in mu home country during the procedure for the things as having bank account etc.
I applied for J1 for 1 year, with my own accounts. I am waiting the answer.
answers from both J1 and the marie curie IOF...........
The bank account, you will need in USA, The EU will transfer the grant to your university in Europe (58 500 (euro/year)x 1,3% (USA) =60 255 Euro/year. They also transfer the mobility 700*1,3=910*12=10 920. So for the first year your university in Europe will receive 71 175euro. Then they have to transfer this grant to USA to your host organization. They will get the grant in dolars.
Now about your salary (i will do it in euro but you should recalculate in dolars): from 60 255 the host organization will take more or less 35% (to pay all cost which company pay to government when has an employee). So your gross salary should be: 3264 euro month (-tax) + 910 euro mobility. Depend from the country you have to pay or not the tax from the mobility. As I wrote you the salary will pay the host organization in dolars.
So you need the bank account in USA :)
@ salcan
Salcan I used your nickname....in the post before... sorry :)
@ Salcan
I forgot to added that your university will get from EU 800 euro x12 months = 9600 euor/year in order to pay your reagents, conferences, etc plus 700 (I am not sure is it 700 or 750) euro x 12months= 8400 euro/year in order to pay the $menagment cost of the host organization. This $ your univeristy has to transfer also to USA.
have you got other questions?
regards,
B.
another week or two to wait.
It is a torture to not have a specific date...
@ IOF Paris-Boston
Evaluation Summary Reports: End of November 2011
So we can assume: 30th of November :) If faster - nice surprise :) Think positive!!!
interesting - i thought the host university in EU deals with the money.
@ Kate
yes the EU university deals with the money, but if you apllied for IOF the univeristy in EU has to transfer the money to third country, and the third country will pay your payment.
@ IOF Paris-Boston
are you salcan?
@IOF-USA
Thanks for the detailed information. No problem for the nick :))
I think many applications for IOF to Boston :)
I'm going to go to Cincinnati :)
Among the funded projects, is there any statistics on the proportion of first submission and second submission?
Does anyone have an idea?
I have the same request! since I am in your situation too (first time!).
I have searched about it but without positive result :-(
I really hope that the statists are not too bad with us at the first time!
PS: I applied together with a Boston university, as many others in this blog ;-)
bye :-)
@ IOF Paris-Boston
I googled "fp7 resubmission success rate" and found this link to a pdf which says for 2011 ITN: "Resubmissions: 45 / 84 projects in the A list (54%)" http://old.unipr.it/files/ricercaint/0_20111109115
Hello, Just overheard a minute ago a guy saying "I got offered a Marie Curie fellowship", has anyone got any news? I'm starting to get nervous.
Thanks!
@LOB
Asking him/her?
@ LOB
It is impossibe !
we should calm down.
So one has heard anything? Good! I couldn't ask him at that time cause I was talking to my supervisor and don't know him :( Hopefully he was talking about another type of Marie Curie fellowship?
thanx @ IOF Paris-Boston!
No a good news for us at the first attempt! The % has reduced at, more or less, 8-9% :-( ...I thought this % was more than only 8%. Anyway, I cross the fingers for all!
Do you think evaluators know if the app is a 'first time application' or a 'resubmission'?
:-)
L
@LOB
"I got offered a Marie Curie fellowship" it means that someone has offered him a marie curie fellowship, NOT THAT HE IS A WINNER OF INDIVIDUAL MARIE CURIE!!!
Dear competitors!!! :)
You search information about "resubmission success rate" etc... but have you asked yourself:
1) who is able to write very good project, how do it?
2) Why other projects are better that mine?
3) Where could I learn how to write very good project? 4) How become a winner?
I agree that the re-submitted projects should be written better that before 1st submition, however does it mean that they are written better that mine?
Have you read any Individual Marie Curie project from list A (2008-2010) or from any different Marie Curie actions?
The experts know how to write very good project, because they have seen those one, do you agree with me?
One I am sure, the authors of the winner projects followed the EU guide and analized every world, every required information.
In my opinion the PART B of project from list A should be published at EU website. Only in this way we will be abe to understand why sometimes we are not the winner, and how to improve our projects....
@ Luca74:
As to whether the reviewers know if an application is a first or second submission, the guide states the following:
"In the case of proposals that have been submitted previously to the Commission or the REA, the moderator gives the experts the previous evaluation summary report (see below) only at the consensus stage and after a consensus has been achieved between the experts. The experts will be required to provide a clear justification for their scores and comments should these differ markedly from those awarded to the earlier proposal."
I've also read the Reviewers' Guide, and it's perfectly possible for them to change their scores at this point. The result? I think it's very unlikely a resubmitted proposal will be ranked *lower* than the first submission--so long as the applicant has factored in the previous suggestions. As to whether this means the Commission *favours* resubmitted projects is anyone's guess.
thank you very much @LOB!
Now I am going to sleep with less worried since I think my % could be more than 8-9%.
I (we) carefully paid attention to and followed the indications of any point you courtesely wrote on the post, but I think that 99% of others did the same (and this is good!). Therefore I think one gets A (=the fellowship which can change his/her life!) because of very very little details. For this reason I thought that also resubmission % makes the difference.
Thank you again for your post :-)
Best
L
@ Lodore
Thank you fro your answer too
Good night!
L
@IOF-USA, I am not agree that the list A proposals should be published for others to see or in general, any proposals, as it can be against the IP protection.
@Olga,
What about an independent expert evaluating the proposal, has she/he signed document that all information included in proposal are confidential? Please do not forget that it is public competition, and the winner proposals are supported from public money.
I agree that the proposals from list A could be available only for person who submitted proposal in IxF, not in free access. Moreover the person who would like to see the proposal from lit A should confirm that the information are confidential (the same rules like e.i. reviewer in journals).
In order to protect some of ideas presented in my proposal, my host institution one week before proposal submission filled out a patent application and submitted it to US patent office....
@ IOF-USA
thanks. I've now checked with my host university (EU) and they said only "training expenses" could be transferred to the outgoing university. The EU university has to deal with the living and mobility allowances.
@ IOF-USA
thanks. I've now checked with my host university (EU) and they said only "training expenses" could be transferred to the outgoing university. The EU university has to deal with the living and mobility allowances.
@ IOF Paris-Boston
Without an official version of resubmission rates, if you look at the 2009 and 2010 results for IEF and compare acronyms(which is flawed because different submissions may use similar acronyms and a resubmission may change its acronym)you will see that of the 2853 submissions for IEF in 2010:
there are 115 resubmitted acronyms (4% of total)
27 (5%)got A (in 2009, of these 5 got B, 19 got C, 3 got D)
9 (8%) got B (in 2009, of these 2 got B, 7 got C)
60 (52%) got C (in 2009, of these 9 got B, 39 got C, 12 got D)
18 (16%) got D (in 2009, of these 6 got C, 12 got D)
1 got F (withdrawal)
So, based on this, it doesn't seem that resubmissions do particularly well, and not that many projects are resubmitted. However, as noted above, these numbers are probably not reliable as we don't know if the resubmitted acronyms match to the previous year's people, and we don't know if resubmitted proposals changed acronyms. (Also, I only compared acronyms in the same panel for the two years, i.e. I left out the CAR panel).
even if not official, your comparison results significant
thanx!
L
News about publication date of Above/below threshold?
If I well remember last year it was published on the web site around the 20 of november....considering that this year the deadline was before....
Here's the list of acronyms and scores for IEF
panel acr score 2009 score 2010
CHE CCMOBIUS C a
CHE AGONS C c
CHE ALPHAPNA C c
CHE BIOCHIT C c
CHE CHIRABS C c
CHE ELATSYN C c
CHE HOMOCAT C c
CHE NITROHYDR C c
ECO DATE C a
ECO RD Market interface D c
ECO AEICAPEU D d
ECO Culture and Trading D d
ENG FLOWCON B c
ENG hifi-PRINTER C a
ENG EPP C b
ENG 3DGROWTH C c
ENG WISEMODELS C c
ENG PSFDLC C d
ENG VISION D a
ENG DURCEMAD D c
ENG LOW-TECH D d
ENG MESH NETS D d
ENG multiscale bem-fmm D d
ENV ALFRED B c
ENV BIRD POPULATIONS C a
ENV D3DC C a
ENV EARL C a
ENV GEM C a
ENV SOMA C a
ENV SPITE C a
ENV SYNRESH C a
ENV ASSESS C c
ENV BANBU C c
ENV BOTOVEREXSCREEN C c
ENV CONODONT C c
ENV COREGONEVO C c
ENV DAMORE C c
ENV DECOWOOD C c
ENV Feldspar-megacrysts C c
ENV Fish Bone Develop C c
ENV LAVA C c
ENV PHENOTROP C c
ENV QUANGAS C c
ENV Reacting plumes C c
ENV SoilCOM C c
ENV URBAN-TEMPERATEM C c
ENV BSSE C d
ENV WAMMED C d
ENV LILA C f
ENV AIRPORT URBANISM D c
ENV BENTIX D c
ENV FIRHAMAP D c
ENV Phenofruit D c
ENV WHEAT RESISTANCE D c
LIF GENEFOREST B a
LIF KinPlants B a
LIF REPTRA B a
LIF Sexual Selection B a
LIF Stem Cell Regulation B a
LIF Addiction B c
LIF 5-HT Radiotracers C a
LIF CardIF C a
LIF MIDAS C a
LIF SOILCOEV C a
LIF FLAVOURTOM C b
LIF STRESSEDASTROCYTES C b
LIF DnaA-Strep C c
LIF EVOSITE3D C c
LIF GenModiFeed C c
LIF MiniSOX9 C c
LIF plant extracts C c
LIF RACOLungcancer C c
LIF SecRDM C c
LIF Attention and Agency C d
LIF Botrytis MAT loci C d
LIF StayHealthy C d
LIF pre-mRNA splicing D a
LIF EVROBIOME D c
LIF Heart asymmetry D c
LIF PTEN D c
LIF Zoonotic infections D c
LIF ATTRACTDETERSIGNALS D d
LIF NutriSim D d
LIF PLANT PRODUCTIVITY D d
LIF PURINAUT D d
LIF RTMS and Pain D d
LIF Salt PhyTo-Tech D d
MAT ParFuzGenQ C b
MAT CFCOLOR C c
MAT reflexivity D d
PHY SHARM B b
PHY BEC-Phase-Time B c
PHY DecohDQC B c
PHY SPECTROVE B c
PHY ARCHIMEDES C a
PHY CHARGEDANISOTROPY C a
PHY MUCHFUSS2GAIA C b
PHY H3ATOM C c
PHY spatio-temporal C c
SOC ExtraLead B b
SOC EUCLiPSTAP B c
SOC Quantity in Number B c
SOC RINTC B c
SOC AutoWordNet C a
SOC Musurus C a
SOC PICOSHEEP C a
SOC MATURE C b
SOC ROMEA C b
SOC GENCITYCODE C c
SOC PEuMedB C c
SOC PreFarmers C c
SOC PuBuLECA C c
SOC Taking Care C c
SOC CATSSE D a
SOC Millenarist colony D c
waw... have you got time guys to do it...C a... ?
I have to run ]to my laboratory! have a nice day, without thinking about marie Curie :)
regards :)
I have minions to run my laboratory
Dear All,
Thank you for your comments and analyzes!
@ Nicola: even if the deadline was one week earlier this year, I'm pretty sure they will not publish the results a week earlier! According to previous comments, I think we will have news next week (above/below results and ESR reports).
But I confess, I look on the participant portal several times a day!
I'm looking at the portal site a lot too :-)
me too :(
getting nervous and nervous
I wrote a Python script which checks for any changes on call's webpage and sends email :)
Congratulations qq :-)
Is there any chances that the reviewers had uploaded their ESR files somewhere in internet?
sounds like a DoF attack :D
sorry i meant
DoS = Denial of Service
Seriously?
The Host Organization keeps around 35%? I thought it was 20%... Uff.
I'm getting tired of waiting :-/
It's a shame I only found this forum after I wrote my IOF application. Hopefully the wait is worth waiting for with results out soon!
@geo
I'm doing it only six times a day (as a parameter), so no DoS :)
Madame Curie is really taking her time
IEF 2010, SOC, still a B-list for 2010; resubmitted in 2011...doing is 6 times a day too...fingers crossed for everyone
I have been 2 time marie curie fellow and the host organization has taken 34% :(((
@JPR
I have been 2 times marcie curie fellow and the HO has taken 34%
Tomorrow above/below thresholds?
Last year they were published on the 22nd. This was a Monday. And ESR were send the same week on Thursday and Friday. So, maybe the EU chooses the one-before-last week of November to distribute the results?
@IOF-USA Could it be that this is for US hosts. In US there are bigger overheads because of the cost health insurance, which in Europe is covered with taxes. I was told by my UK (future) host that they take about 20%.
@ okv
I had an OIF to US some years ago and I dont think much has changed. You probably have to pay your own health insurance in the US. Your wages, the research allowance, overhead etc. are fixed costs, which is why you dont make budgets of your own when submitting MC applications. The amounts are fixed in the contract with EU and you can see them in the guidelines. They are not to be negotiated. Your host in Europe administers all this for you. I just had an account in the Uk and had my UK bank transfer the incoming money to my US account every month. I had to the option between using my UU employer as invoice address for research costs or have parts of the funds transferred to my US host, so I could make invoices there. Then the remaining budget was transferred back to UK when I went back there.
@Follower
Thanks. I've been explained it the same way by my university.
Could I just ask you if it is difficult and expensive to be able to have a health insurance in the US?
Does the health insurance in an European country not suffice?
@kate
The Health Insurance I had was under a program provided by the University and different Us have different programmes offered to the employees So the best is probably to contact their International office to ask what programmes they may have. Mine was under Blue Cross Blue Shield (which I have heard is one of the best in the US). It was not difficult as you had the right to get into the program once you were under some sort of employment at the U. They did not ask for any medical history or anything. I had a family along and I think we payed about 500 UDS per month, but it would be less for one person of course. Then we had to pay a small contribution each time we used it, but it really worked very well. There could be differences on rules from the European health insurance system in different countries, maybe also depending on whether it is private or supplied over the taxes, so you would have to ask in your own country. It all sorts itself out nicely anyway. The challenge is to get the grant, the rest is admin. The US Us are also very helpful on providing all the documents for visas etc.
above/below results...today...no news?
above/below results...today...no news?
still no news for the above/below results.......
@ Follower
Thanks!!
Just a quick update on CIG program. funds will be available to finance approximately 200 projects out of 629 that passed the evaluation threshold = 31.8%
Does anyone has a clue on the CIG cut-offs from session #1? Thanks!
@okv
I was marie curie TOK in Spain and it was 34%
@okv
I was marie curie TOK in Spain and it was 34%
I'm also curious about the CIG scores. Mine was 85, which probably is not good enough...
This Spanish site has estimated cut offs for CIG http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
Hello everybody,
how can we get the access to IIF results
thanks
vitto
where r we suppose to find out the above/below results?
There are no IEF, IIF and OIF results yet. The above-below results will be published on the participant portal and several people will immediately post in in this forum too I am sure. It is only guess work that they will come today as it is guess work that the evaluation reports may be sent out on Thursday or Friday.
@charlie
Do you mean for CIG? If so, look on the CIG page! http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
Some Research Office guy just talked to the REA and said that they expect ESRs to be sent this week, beginning of the next tops.
Best of lucks
@el Padrino
this means that the prelimary list above/below threshold is going to be published sooner than that, right?
@ Vito
Should be, but they don't give much attention to that in the research office.
@vito
What do you mean by "Should be, but they don't give much attention to that in the research office".
do you mean they do not necessarily send out the above/below details?
@Batman
No no. They just told me to wait for the ESRs, that's all
@vito
above below treshold is only helpful if you are below. then you know you are out. above means nothing as this is only a quality treshold. the funding cut-off is a lot higher than that and will take longer time to be published.
@follower
thus, after we now (in case) we are above the treshold, when will be sure we will be above the cut off treshold as well?
@afg
Thanks for the link!
is the spanish estimate proven to be reliable?
A first hint will be last year's thresholds. Then there is going to be a lot of speculation on this thread whether the thresholds will be increased or not, and how much. After the mid of December the first invitations for negotiations will arrive and with them the new thresholds will appear on the Spanish site (an estimate will appear there a few days earlier than that). Also the official A-B-C list will appear on the MC site before Christmas.
At least this is what happened last year...
ok, so a part of the case we are below the treshold, we need to wait one month more.
@Vito
That is if the score is ~+/-3 from last year's threshold.
I participated last year, and the timeline went as people describe it here; first the above/below threshold list, then the ESR and then ten days of unbearable wait until the invitation letters began to arrive (and to be reported here). The Spanish site published the estimates around the 6th of December. However, there is no obvious place were one can get the official thresholds for past years, and this is very frustrating, as one is kept in complete stress with the ESR but with no certainty of wether the project will be funded.
@RL you already have your funding, what are you doing writing here? :P
@RC Procrastinating! You?
Looking through my RSS feeds (procrastination, yes) I noticed the increase in messages here.
Better work on being patient! There is:
- no exact time line for outcomes,
- when the scores are published there is no certainty on ranking,
- when the rankings are published they can again be revised (learning from 2010),
- when you are on A/B (or reserve) list you won't have a clear answer until the invitation arrives and negotiations have finished. When is that? Well, there were still updates on status for funding on the 2010 calls in late August, after the deadline of the 2011 call.
That said, it would be great if REA would release scores on a pre-set and meaningful date, such as Marie Curies birthday (Nov 7).
Love the remark about Marie Curies birthday !!!
@RL, me too (procrastinating!) and also getting anxious about the lack of results, we are dying to find out soon!
@IOF Paris-Boston
thanks for the link, waiting for the results :)
wher is the results? waiting.....
The commision is probably hiberrnating.
November 22....still nothing! What are they doing in Brux?
@nicola
being too lazy these days...
Estoy hasta los huevos de esperar...
Hi people
Just received invitation to negociate for CIG (panel life). good luck for everyone!
CIG is negotiated with IXF?
@ PT
;-)
looks like not for today, may be tmr....
or maybe on Friday :)
I may wait :)
... or maybe next week :-)
or even better ... the week thereafter :-)
*sigh*
@LadyJane
let's expect that next month optimistically...
Hi, guys, just found this forum now and I already submitted the IIF in early Aug.
what kind of email we will receive? a letter listed our grade as ABC or we need to log on the EU website to check the cut-off value first.
I'm waiting for it and really nervous about it.
CJ
@ CJ
First, the above/below results will be published on the participant portal these days. Then, we will receive the ESR by e-mail, normally before the end of the month. And the ABCD list will finally be published around christmas.
@ IOF Paris... and CJ
Last year people got invites on Dec 8th.
Above is a timetable from last year, posted again
Nov 22 - Above/below threshold info appeared on the site.
Nov 26 - Got the ESR.
Dec 8 - Got the invitation letter.
@afg you are confusing the terms below and above
funny!
@ gekko
Above: meaning look above, the timetable has already been posted but I'm posting again (again: meaning look below!)
@Djeje
What was your score?
@afg just a stupid joke to kill this neverending waiting
@afg just a stupid joke to kill this neverending waiting
@gekko
there is a site for that http://www.stupidjokes.com/
@abc
My score for CIG in the LIFE panel was 88.80.
My NCP gave his estimate for cut-off as 87.60 in this panel.
I can give you his estimate for different panel (which are somewhat different than the one on the spanish link above) if you will.
@djeje
What country is your NCP? (and congratulations!)
hey all,
just heard from my supervisor that a colleague of her already got a positive notification for MC - did anyone else already receive a mail in that matter?
above/below's r not out yet, no?
cheers!
@ UL
But was that for CIG and what sort of positive notification ???, we need to be a little more precise as there are many people following this site anxiously and any hint can create a storm....
good question, have to re-ask!
appologies in case i increased anyone's anxiety-level (mine is like.. high! :))
Hello everybody.
is it possible that some proposals are not listed in the "evaluation results" document just added on the website?
thank
vitto
@ Vito
Cant find this document - could you please post the link!??
THANKS!
@vitto
What website? What call?
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
This is flash info on CIG only .....
C'mon people! The only call updated is CIG.
@ El Padrino
But an update on CIG is just as relevant to know about for the people having applied to that as other programs are to their respective applicants.....
@ Follower
Of course. Everybody is very anxious with their call. I'd just like the chaos to go down a bit.
probably they are off work for today, let's hope for tomorrow for the flash report....
I just sent an email to my NCP to ask if he has details of the date of publication of the above/below results and the sending of ESR. I am waiting (still waiting...) his response...
@IOF Paris-Boston
Thanks for the effort, plz release the date here too :-)
@ Follower
Have you read the title of this hubpage?
Does it say anything about CIG proposals?
Looks to me me is only about IOF-IEF-IIF.
It does introduce more chaos in this forum... as if we needed it.
@ IOF Paris-Boston
Thanks to your attempt, hope he has some news...
The waiting is really driving me crazy!
hey, pls excuse my ignorance, just saw some comments on cig, i am interested too in ief as the forum topic is but still: in the cig results they have just " above" or "below" - will we get the same kind of answers at this stage or A,B,C,D?...and what mean the letters?
tks!
A = awesome
B = bloody close old chap
C = crap
D = dreadful
@ in wait: it's somehow very comforting to know that there are others out there waiting waiting waiting for the news to arrive ;)
they might follow their 2008 scheme this year again
28 Nov: thresholds
8 dec: prelim results
....cu monday then
and also, I just hope the proposals mine was up against were also written by people who don't appear to have read any of the info provided by the EU.
@ha tks for the info", but there is no need to be unkind, when you enter late in a competition you might not be able to know all the details on the evaluation, all the best to you and hope the best proposals will win
I apologize for my remarks on the CIG, but I did not think of hurting someone
thanks again
andy3d, i did not mean to be unkind, so i am sorry if i upset you.
it is true though that most of the questions asked here are either 1) in the documentation about the grant or 2) answered here already.
good luck :)
@UL: you are right, it's good to know that we are sooo
many here ;)
;jkl;k
posting for nothing!
2.30 cant sleep!!!!!!!
2.30 cant sleep!!!!!!!
why there is no outcome so far? what will be coming?
@IOF Paris and @afg thank you for the info..,
IIF is not even publish the above/below cutoff yet, I guess it'll take longer than the others.
@raposu
I see you point and have non interest in CIG myself. However I dont appreciate your sarcasm. Maybe we should all just let this page rest in piece and wait for the reports instead of letting our frustrations out on each other. Good luck to everybody.
no news yet neither from the above/below results nor from my NCP... grrrrrrrr
@ follower
I agree with you and sorry for the sarcasm... we are all a a bit stressed out by the lack of news... speaking of that:
Our NCP just informed me that the REA told them that nothing will be posted until next week, so just have been for the rest of the week and come back on monday.
Lets stop waiting then :(((
I will enjoy the weekend.
@ raposu
Thanks for the info!
@raposu
Great, thanks for the info and a nice weekend to all.
Did the REA say that they will distribute the results next week? Or only that they won't this week.
The UKRO (which acts as the UK NCP) says that REA will release the ESRs by the beginning of next week the latest.
Sorry for eventual repetitions. Where will be the threshold decision published?
THANX GUYS for the info!
So, if I understood well, there won't be above/below results for this 2011 turn, will be? Luckily, since I personally think that they are almost useless (just stress because of waiting!).
Anyway...have you all a nice w/e :-))
I did not understand anything about the results. if there will be thershold list, or not? When will be the results published?
I will ask to my NCP, I am getting nervous. I can not do anyhing else.
I do not want to make anybody nervous, but...
I received a mail from my NCP in brussels:
We understand that the Evaluation Summary Report letters are being sent out today, so co-ordinators should receive them very soon.
@BatMan
at least I haven't received the ESR....
Anyone got the ESR please give a shout :-)
who will receive the ESR? the host? how about the applicant?
Thanks.
Argh, so stressful ...
good luck everyone ;-)
@BatMan
you killed my productivity for the day... Now I am reloading this page and the MC website every 5 minutes...
@sxw
According to previous posts, the coordinators will receive the ESR but it seems that applicants are in cc
This is crazy. Total chaos.
I guess they are playing with us. So the energy generated from our anxiety could be absorbed by some satanic demons - they will grow stronger and take over the planet Earth.
@BatMan
If ESR will be sent out today, it seems there will be no above/below? or they publish together?
from now on, there is only 1 hour to publish the ESR before the REA guys out of office/
I don't suppose the reports are sent manually. They could be sent out at any time of day.
My NCP just wrote me that they had expected the lists with results yesterday, so I guess it is close now.
@sxw
u r right, these guys are really lazy, they wont push themselves to release the result at the last moment before they fly away from office for beer....
@Follower
NCP is also not sure about the exact release date? right?
they are also the same as us, waiting, know nothing?
guys, let's just wait for 1 more hour, if no, then probably tmr.
Last year the ESR was sent on Thursday, Nov. 25, 5:54pm
My NCP wrote me that the results will be on Monday
It does take a while and everybody may not receive them at the same time, and they may sent out OIF, IIF and EIF in separate blocks.
It seems that different NCP have different expected release date. someone said today; someone said next monday. who is more accurate?
Last year I got the ESR Thursday, Nov. 25, 5:55pm!
how can we receive ESR without publishing above/below result first?
@afg;
you were one minute later than previous guy.
@ IEF Chem
The story of my life...
@afg
@MR
Are those times CET? Or GMT? :)
@ BatMan
I was in GMT at the time, so I'm presuming email system will register GMT as time of arrival...
@BatMan
I guess, CET, that is both my local time and Brussels time. Not 100% sure though, the local time of the recipient (host) was GMT. The message itself does not specify
I?received email from UK research office, my NCP just one minute ago, they said:
Thank you for your email. We understand that REA is sending out the ESR letters today, so you should receive yours soon.
Somebody I know got his ESR late on November 26 last year
this is exciting.
I guess it's dead for today :s
@IEF-fr
why? people got result at 5:55pm last year.
Your right, lets wait 45 min more.. This waiting is insane !
My ESR email time from last year! 25 November 2010 17:04:00 GMT
~30min to go?
:) Results tomorrow?
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, another day without sleeping...
I sleep well, because I know that I am not able to change the results...
come on. UK RO told me rea would send out the esr result today and i would receive it soon. but so far, not yet. are they kidding? don't they know when to release? why they told me this wrong information, if rea can not work it out today?
This is the reply to my question from EUROPE DIRECT Contact Centre/ Research Enquiry Service:
Dear Mr. *****,
Thank you for your message and for your interest in European Union (EU) funding for researchers and Marie Curie International Outgoing Fellowships for Career Development (IOF) in particular.
In response to your enquiry about the evaluation of the proposals submitted to FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IOF, and after having consulted with the relevant service, we would like to inform you that the preliminary results (ranking of proposals in A,B,C,D categories) for the Marie Curie Actions call FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IOFare scheduled to be published in the last week of November / beginning of December 2011
They will be available on the call page, which you can find on the "Participant Portal" of the European Commission's Directorate-General for Research and Innovation, at:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/a
Once you are on the above webpage, in order access the relevant call page simply select "closed" as status and then click on the link to "FP7-PEOPLE-2011-IOF".
Finally, we would like to inform you that the Network of National Contact Points (NCP) provides help on all aspects of FP7 in the national language. For contact details, please consult the following URL:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ncp_en.html
We hope this information will be helpful to you.
Kind regards,
2 years ago I got the ESR of IEF Novembre 25, 2009 9:16
last year, I got the result on nov. 25 at 7 pm (Brussel time). My NC point was already able to give me the mark of my 2011 application on the phone today. So the results will come very soon for everyone.
last year, I got the result on nov. 25 at 7 pm (Brussel time). My NC point was already able to give me the mark of my 2011 application on the phone today. So the results will come very soon for everyone.
at ief applicant
have you got the results?
@ief applicant
what is your mark?
I know somebody who has got their IEF result from the French NCP this afternoon. According to the French, the results would be sent by "in the next few hours".
still waiting for ief!!
@ ief applicant
what is your result then?
86, did not make it to the B group... :(
Good luck everybody!
how can NCP know the mark before sending the individual's esr out?
@ sxw
they have them in system :)
@ief applicant
you already know which group (a,b,c,d) your mark is in?
@ IOF-USA
You said you received it at 9.16 two years ago.
Is that AM or PM?
Thanks!
I had the e-mail yeesterday, they said that if you didnt receive it you are out
at IEF-Germany-UK
am
and I did not get the grant because I worked in the host county 12 months...
at IEF-Germany-UK
am
and I did not get the grant because I worked in the host county 12 months...
@ danilo, so you are not out, congratulation!!!!
so we are out... life must go on... also without Marie Curie
Are you sure Danilo you are not hoaxing us?
@danilo
are you sure? if no email, we are out? no one in this tips received the email...
re: danilo: yes, that is just a troll
@iif-uk
what do you mean?
do some work instead of surfing!!!!
I think danilo is messing with us here. Nobody would state such a thing.
@ pablite
I am working :) my reaction is running in the lab...
I hate Danilo. Do Not Do This Bad Thing, Messing with people in this Tip. Everyone is nervous here.
@IEF
I am not nervous!!!!
So, here is more information: I called the (French) NC in order to know when and where results would be available. They were surprised that I had not got any mail already and they spontaneously offered to check on a list that they had themselves freshly received. This was a list of all the proposals by acronym with the respective mark and group (a, b, c, etc.). Though, they did not have the evaluation and could not provide me with the mark of each section and assumed I would get it soon by mail.
Good luck everybody.
There had to be a troll in this thread after sooooo many posts.
There is no way they sent a negotiation offer in this stage and absolutely no way they said "congrats, you got it and all the other suckers who didn't receive this e-mail are out".
My guess is that the ESRs arrive tomorrow morning and the first offers ~10 days after that.
@ied applicant
sounds explosive (ied)
@ MR
I agree with you!
so if they know the group now why they don't send it with the mark?
@ied applicant
so the French work 'till so late?
@ied applicant
what is your mark and group?
Hi everyone!
Last year I applied to IEF and I got 83.5. I was oit but I received an email that I was out. however the process was first the tresholds, then ESR with grades and then invitation or refusal emails. everyone will have that process dont worry.
best wishes to everyone.
je ne parle pas francais, je suis desole... so i am not able to call to French NCP :((((
sorry for the joke :P
Find a real job!!!
@ nomorenerdsintheworld
It is good accasion to do it!
As I wrote before, 86 but group C (typed ied instead of ief since I contribute to this forum with my baby on one arm...)
@IOF-USA
I guess they know the mark but not the group. The group depends on the ranking of the proposals in each panel, how the budget is split into the different panels, and how much the budget of the highly ranked proposals is. Maybe there is also an issue with redress requests as well. Usually the A-B-C list comes out after the first bunch of negotiation invitations have been sent.
@ief applicant and MR
So how ief applicant already knows his group ?
@selcan
I have not received a rejection from last year yet... I am formally still in the B-list with 87.0 in IEF. Hope it is increased this year.
@MR
where are you from and where a u going to go?
"86 but group C" - doesn't sound right....little reliable happening here
@IOF-USA
Germany to UK last year
Italy to UK this year
Originally Greek
It appears they sent the lists to the NCPs first, maybe to make them ready to help us once we get the ESRs. I guess within the next 24 hours. Irritating that the NCPs are not all that helpful, mine has not even replied to my email 2 days ago.
@ MR
me: 2 years ago from Bulgaria to Spain,
this year Spain to USA,
originally Polish
@IEF-fr
Yes, the NC could tell me my group. By the way, I know someone from Germany who was also able to get his mark (but did not hear anything regarding the group).
still dubious...
I am sorry to hear you didnt get it IEF-applicant. Really frustrating after all the waiting. The competition has been harder every year, not that it is much of a relief. However, you got a good great, so you surely have a goof project and cv which can be used for other applications or to try again next year. Good luck.
To everyone!
This hubpage has proven to be very helpful for all MC applicants. Please, no more jokes or scams, let's keep it the way it has been for 2 years.
It's really helpful when you are preparing the project.....at the moment we can only wait.....smart people use to have sense of humor, useless researcher dont!!!
hi people, I love this hub, but just in case it stops working or whatever, there are already any twitter hashtags? For example #fp7mc ...
correction: ...are there any?
86 in group C can very well be right, it also depends on the panel and considering the amount of applications raised a lot this year to and the funding only a litle, I think we can expect cut-offs for A and B to increase as well.
I never expected to receive any information today - it is Thanksgiving in the US, and simply by common sense, applicants should never be informed with the results in a day of national celebration (you don't want to ruin nobody's day...)
If not tomorrow, I would put my money on Monday.
@ JPR
We dont have Thanksgiving here in Europe :D, dont you know that?
Ok, so my comment would only affect US citizens or other people living in the US.
I'm in the US but I highly expected to receive info today!
@IEF-fr
I am also in US. Waiting for the outcome...
@ JPR
Results came out on 'thanksgiving' last year. Not a world holiday
stress-stress-stress
Not a world holiday?
Thanks man. I appreciate the lesson, even more since I applied for a IOF.
I will eat turkey until I forget IEF :)
UK research office said REA will send results Thursday. "We understand that REA is sending out the ESR letters today, so you should receive yours soon."
But finally no. why UK office is not accurate?
@UK
no one is accurate up to now.
various releasing date appear on thif forum
I have a kind of feeling, I will be out. Too Nervous...
Hello everybody. I am so tired to wait. Have you any news about IIF programm?
Yes the guess was right, REA has started to send the (preliminary) results yesterday. This information comes from Finland. Best wishes to everyone.
@ in wait
You mean the ESR?
hi guys,
like you i'm waiting for IEF. Am I right in thinking that the results will be sent to the scientist in charge rather than to me (the researcher). It's just that I've moved job since I applied in August and thus have a new email address.
@ ?
Yes I do mean the ESR. Fingers ...
@Tom
You'll be in cc of that email
@Tom
You'll be in cc of that email
@ tom
Last year the ESR was sent to both researcher and scientist in charge. So, probably, you will not loose the letter. Good luck!
I got email from NCP this morning:
------------
Dear Dr. XXX,
Thank you for your e-mail to my colleague, Dr. YYY, which I am glad to answer.
According to our information the ESRs for the 2011 IEF-call are currently being sent out by REA. Therefore the indicative funding decision should also be published soon on the participant portal.
If you have further questions please contact us again.
----------------
Let's hope that it will come today!
hi tom
last year both the scientist in charge and the applicant received the same email...
waiting for IEF: nothing in my inbox so far...'In wait': have you received yours or is it just speculative (re Finland)
so results on Monday?
@ ozon
no no, I haven't received mine yet ... though hope that I had as most of us here :)
I'm also waiting for IEF, but nothing in my inbox....
No one received anything yet !
we are just talking on speculations :((
No one received anything yet !
we are just talking on speculations :((
Just have the secretary of the alternative french NCP by phone (the main contact doesn't respond).
He received the results (scores and ABC groups) for IEF yesterday, but not yet for IIF and IOF.
So call your NCP and if you are lucky, they will give you the result!
i think they will wait until the end of the day to send out results, otherwise they will be driven mad with enquiries from disappointed/excited scientists.
Hi, I applied for an IEF to France, and contacted the UK contact point. He gave me the results and was very kind. Good luck to everyone!!!
I called my NCO just right now. They are having a meeting about the results, however I could not talk with them.
It means they have the results..............
I called my NCO just right now. They are having a meeting about the results, however I could not talk with them.
It means they have the results..............
@zzz
did you win?
Did tou get only your grade or the A-B-C result?
@zzz
did you win?
Did tou get only your grade or the A-B-C result?
Any one got results of IIF from UK Research Office, NCP?
The guy from another forum (http://mariecuries.com/forum/new-board/evaluation- has also received his/hir results contacting with NCP
Just contacted the UK NCP and found out the score! They told me that the ESRs will be sent out today or the latest on Monday morning...
Then I am being chicken and not calling them. Better to live another day with a hope.
@MR, What is your score if it is not a sickret
Then I am being chicken and not calling them. Better to live another day with a hope.
@MR, What is your score if it is not a sickret
**secret?
@MR
Where is NCP for UK? In Brussels: http://www.ukro.ac.uk/mariecurie/Pages/index.aspx ? Could you give me a phone number if different than one of the webpage?
hi guys,
would someone have the phone number of the UK contact who gives the results out?
I got 92 points, so hopefully should be fine?
Olga, I am also looking forward to my result, but afraid to get it. I don`t want to lost my hope too)))
Olga, I am also looking forward to my result, but afraid to get it. I don`t want to lost my hope too)))
@zzz IEF o IOF and which panel?
I also got my result on the phone, I got 90, so last year would be in, but this year noone knows..... Good luck!!
I also got my result on the phone, I got 90, so last year would be in, but this year noone knows..... Good luck!!
oh, it was IEF by the way.
oh, it was IEF by the way.
just contacted my NCP. He was very kind and gave me some info on IOF LIF panel:
58 projects on lists A+B
the last project selected in the A list got 90.7
the last project in the B list got 89.7
so cut-off score is very high!
And it's done for me, I got only 84.9...
I dont know the exact score, but the NCP said that my application is on B-list without any chance of getting funded. Damn.
Congratulations to those who got it!
They already knew the lists? Which NCP did you call, since I could not get the cut-off.
I'm not playing anymore, this was a very informative thread, but now people are starting to post dodgy messages about phone calls to NCPs who might have lists with the results. This is unverifiable and just makes everybody else more nervous. I'm gonna wait for the mail to arrive, too late to change anything anyhow.
I just called the UK RO in Brussels:
They didn't want to give out scores over the phone.
I got 85 IOF, so out of game....
I contact the NCP by email. They dont want to give out the score, but give me the ranking (B list) and said there is a lot of other applications on top of mine on the B-list, so mine is unlikely to be funded.
@ Nomail nomoney: I am serious. This is a sad news for me. I think the ESR will be sent this afternoon, but with that you only know the score, not the ranking A/B/C. You may get more information from your NCP, depending on how willing they are.
If they would just upload that list on the participant portal it would save us and the NCPs all the frustration and calls.
Anybody tried ringing the relevant DG in Brussels and asking when they are going to send the ESFs?
I have not any results yet of IIF :-(
Just wait for the e-mail ... We do not have the power to change the results. Everything is already decided and it is just a matter of time before we know.
I just heard my score (IIF) from the UK NCP by phone, they said it is still confidential but "they sent the letters yesterday", whatever that means. She also said that thresholds this year are higher than last years'.
Best of lucks!
LadyJane
if they sent the letter yesterday why we did not get? What it means?
I´ve just called to my NCP and my score is 97% (IEF ENV) but I have not received any e-mail. Last year I had 88.9% and I was positioned the 2nd in the B list...
Best of lucks!
I´m gonna ge drunk.
@..., UK NCP means the host institute?
@...
I also want to know whether you called to the country of the host institute (UK?) and who you spoke to. Do you have a phone number?
I got my score.
Good luck to everyone.
Send a message to your Contact Point for FP Marie Curie Actions.
I´ve called to NCP of my country, Spain. You can find the information in the official site:
I was IEF Env ...
I applied IIF? CHE panel?I got 91. Anyone knows the cut-off score of A list of IIF CHE panel?
this year is higher?
@Granada, for IIF, what is the NCP? is this the host institute? or the host country?
what is the cut-off score (A list) of CHE panel, IIF this year? My score is 90.5
I got 83 and ? am out as well
@zzz congrats, very high score ! do you have an idea for the cutoff score of IEF-ENV
is it your 2nd times ?
do you have an idea for the cutoff score of IIF-CHE?
What's up with the EU. They say they are sending out the scores. However, among all people on this forum, there must be people from all over europe (and the US). And, so far, nobody received an email. What's that all about.
???-IIF
I´ve called to the NCP of my country.
I got 91(IEF ENV) but I have not received any e-mail. Any idea about the cut-off score (A list)
I got 92 (IIF PHY) and I am at the A list. Good luck everyone
I used the phone number from the web page for the UK NCP. I think it was a Belgian number...
By the way my score was 92 in IEF-Physics
@tinsiz
Do you know the cut-off score of IIF????
Guys how can it be and your NCP's give you out your scores? I contacted my country's and they said in couple of weeks we will know (IOF). Is this any kind of joke?
I have also contacted the IT NCP. They give me - informally - the results: 71 (C) - SOC....a real defeat!!
@MR nobody answers the phone!!!!
@UK I am sorry but I dont know the cut-off score
its rather annoying that they a) can't send the information out once it is ready (which it seems to be) and b) let it leak out like this before its released.
UKRO for Marie Curie Issues is the place I called. Not the host Institute. Moreover, the host didn´t know a thing...
@hhh
NCPs have the full results: scores and ABCD list. I obtained precise info from the french NCP this morning concerning LIF panel, IOF.
And he was surprised that no one has yet received the ESR.
@IOF Paris-Boston
Thanks. Looks like my country is well behind!
@raposu
What is this cut off score? it is for list A or above/below?
@???
could you give a phone number and a name please. I called the UK RO in brussels and a lady told me she was not supposed to tell me the results.
@UK
for LIF panel-IOF, it corresponds to the cut-off score for the A list, according to what my NCP said this morning (see post above)
Anyone will call UK RO NCP? Please help check the cut-off score of List A for IIF CHE. Thank you.
I called to Spanish NCP (UKRO doesn't respond). I got 95 in IEF-SOC and I am on A list. Love this forum, good luck everybody!
@UK
obviously is for list A. Cut off score for above/below is always 70.
called my local contact point this morning and was given a score of 100: I do not quite believe it as I think it may be an admin error of a sort and I have not received an ESR yet...
@kiki: have you received an ESR yet?
@Batman
00 32 2 230 0318
She did say the same to me. But ended up telling me anyway. And she asured me that the ESRs are being sent, according to REA
No ESR yet, but NCP emailed saying I got 83.6 for IEF SOC which is C list (this is a resubmission: I got 89.4 last year and was on B List!)
I love the Spanish NCP, not trying to hide stuff. My NCP says they dont have the information and have no lists or nothing. They must be really badly connected....
@afg
It is really bad news that resubmissions can go down a lot too.
Anyone here got results from the Irish or Italian NCPs?
@Follower
I think it's the same as for articles, it so much depends on the reviewers !!
I just got my score from the french contact point. 85. I'm out. I just can't believe it. I really thought I had a strong project.
I receive an email from UK NCP:
Unfortunately the threshold list hasn’t been finalized yet, all that is available is the score for the proposals. The threshold list will be published over the next few weeks on the participant portal, if you are on the A list you will receive an email inviting you to negotiation.
It seems they do have the final ABCD list yet? is that right?
@ UK
my NCP (Spanish)gave me my score and my ABCD list place...so it does seem to be finalised. Email them and see if they will give you your results!
A list cut-offs are on the Spanish website. Thanks Raposu for mentioning it. The other NCPs just dont dare telling us. My NCP just emailed saying there is no "official" information yet, but even if there can be a little changes, it is better to have a rough idea where you stand from non-verified lists.
@ozon
nope, I guess nobody has.
@kiki: ta - feeling more disturbed rather than relieved now:-)
@DMD
I received (informally) my score calling the Italian NCP...however I am still quite surprised about the score (71). It is the same project I have sumbitted to other programs...also receing funding. This is the lowest scored received ! I am quite sure they have "strange" reviewers. However I am also surprised for the very few A projects in the SOC panel. I think it would be necessary to apply some form of "quota".
Do you know how many projects there are on the A-list of the SOC panel (IEF)?
This is the panel to which I have submitted too ...
@ Follower
It is true. If something works well in Spain is our NCP... (well, our national football team is the best). They are always very helfull, they post in the forums providing helpfull info, they respond to e-mails and answer the phone... It was them who sent me an e-mail to tell my score... only because Ihad e-mailed them a while ago.
@raposu Spanish NCP rocks!!!
Someone said the cut-off of IIF??? is 90.8. Is that normal?
UK RO's email mentioned that: "
You should receive your ESR today or at the latest on Monday. However, unofficially, your proposal scored 89. I can’t tell you the cut off score for this year’s chemistry panel, but as a guide, last year’s chemistry panel threshold score was 90.8.
Best wishes,"
What do you think of this reply?
Thanks
@Nicola - thanks. I'll try giving APRE a call.
Perhaps helpful
@ NCP-UK see for cut offs http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult
@ NCP-UK
at the web-site mentioned above it says 88,6 for IIF-CHE
@ NCP-UK
at the web-site mentioned above it says 88,6 for IIF-CHE
@ ozon: relax, it is because of your 100? I think it is possible, you simply got 5 for each section. That's pretty normal, I saw 5 scores at some German MCF report (Tuebingen science website). You should be proud!
Anyway, love Spanish NCP, got all informations there - even if my proposal nor I have nothing to do with Spain.
All fine, but I would wait to be happy until you get a negotiation!
@Olga
But UK NCP mentioned the cut off for IIF CHE is 90.8. The later should be more formal, right?
"The later should be more formal, right?" Why, becuase they are British?
I got 92 on LIF!
@DMD
If you call APRE ask to speak with Mr. D'Agostino...he is the person in charge of People Actions. Tell him that other NCP are informally communicating results.
@ncp-Uk
well according the Spanish site cut-off in IIF-chem may be going down, so you may be in. But we should probably be a little cautious with the Spanish levels as they can change before they go official.
@ncp-uk
In the posting above you said it was last years cut-off they gave you, so that is useless.
@Nicola please, can you tell me the Italian NCP number you called?
@Nicola: I did. But got told to ring back in an hour...guess I'll just shut it out of my mind and do some work in the meantime (so not likely).
@QEF
Thank you! All I know is that they take the first 79 applications, and there was 359 applicants for IEF env. I am really sorry, but I do not know the cut-off point...
Good luck!
I got a hamburger for lunch, and a nice pint of ale. It's Friday, relax a little bit. I suggest you all try a pint of ale...or beir, cereza, what have you. Win or lose, you'll want one.
@ShF
segreteria APRE: 06 48939993
@QEF, oh, forgot to say - it was my first application
@zzz, well done ! I have an idea of the cutoff scores thanks to the spanish site
does anyboy receive his/hers ESrs now ? really strange that nobody did
I didn't get anything yet.
I am in IEF-SOC panel.
Ok, lower score than last year IEF ENV, so now probably out of the waiting list this time. If improving your application takes you down rather than up it is gambling and too much work, I give up. Off for that beer....
How wierd. i called NPC
but they said the letter will only be sent to the researcher in charge..which in case if IIF is the prof at the host insititute. Is this correct?
hi, thanks a lot for posting latest info on this forum- i wrote to the spanish as well as the UKRO NCP, both confirmed that my score is 93 and i should be in A list. they also told that i can expect ESR anytime now.
Best of luck to everybody !
@...
Last year it was sent to the researcher in charge and cc'd to the applicant.
@Nicola Thanks a lot. I did. Unfortunately my score is 78 for IEF ENG.. really too low to be in list A or B :( ciao
@IEF- CHE
Did UK RO confirm with you that you are on A??????
in fact, it's still really incredible that 1/ ERA doesn't publish the results while all NCPs have, and thus, that 2/ NCP "must" give results by phone...
I just got my IIF Life score: 95
Good luck every body
@--they just said that there is high probability- so fingers crossed !
The UK NCP mentioned last year's cut-off scores and said that they are expected to rise slightly because of the increased number of applications this year. They didn't have more accurate information or they wouldn't share it with me.
Hi everybody,
I contacted to the French contact point: received 89.1 in ENG, in list A. there are 55 projects in list A.
This was a resubmitted proposal. It received 84.9 last year and was in list C.
Thanks to everybody.
@MR
what is the cut-off score that UK NCP mentioned?
@ss
is your application for IIF or IEF?
@sxw
87.7 in IEF-PHY
My application is for IEF-ENG: got 89.1, in list A, ranked 47th. There are 55 proposals in list A in the ENG panel.
just to be sure, what does the cut-off score mean? how do they calculate it? above = good chances to get it, below = you're out?
cut off for A means you got it. B means might get it. C and below no chance...
I just had my ESR report. It is crazy, they made crazy comments on the proposal.
cut-off means between A and B list
A list = funding
B list = reserve list
@pino
above = you got it
slightly below (1%) = waiting list
less than cut-off -1 = C-list
@LadyJane
Is the Spanish website regarding this year's cut-off scores accurate or not?
@selcan
did you get it directly from the REA or your NCP?
I have no idea!
I'm in IEF-SOC panel and don't know anything yet.
I know last years cut-off score in IEF-SOC was 89.9 so it should be something around 89-90 ...
But still, I will only feel safe after signing the contract! If I will ever get to that point.
I'm prepared for another slap in the face (first time application for IEF but participated in other funding schemes, without success)
I like that they are referred to as "funding schemes" as it does feel like they are a bit scheming...
@Selcan
Did you recived it right now?
What do you mean with "crazy comments"?
I am quite surprised too for my score (71)...and I am really waiting for my ESR report. I am curious to read comments on my project.
Spanish site with scores = scores on A list. But last year their estimates weren't accurate (see http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult but then they warned that it was an estimate only. If you look at the page this year (http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult they do not say it is an estimate: maybe an omission - but maybe correct.
@ Nicola
Do you know how many people are on the A-list for IEF-SOC?
@ LadyJane "I know last years cut-off score in IEF-SOC was 89.9" - it wasn't: that was only an estimate, and the actual cut off was a bit higher!
I phone the spanish people and they told me my score, I got 89.4 so I dont know whats going on now.........maybe I should change job....
The entire system is collapsing they are going to pay us in with mozambique money!!!!!
if the spanish are indeed giving the scores, can anyone give the number???
@ hhh
email for Spanish is available on link above for all NCPs
@ hhh
email for Spanish is available on link above for all NCPs
Yea, if the Euro fails...are we all SOL? :-)
@LadyJane
Sorry I do not know....I was in the IOF-SOC
The people at APRE would not give me my scores (always treated "specially" if you're a foreigner in Italy). So I emailed the British UKRO and they very kindly replied within 5 minutes.
oww... well, in fact, you should see you have above 91 or so
hmmm
@hhh
what dou you mean by number?
My NCP tell me the number of proposals in A+B lists and the rank of mine (104e)
A lot of people will fail.........I suggest to take that as a big opportunity, have a look at the video
Hi guy, I spoke with the NCP (Italy), chemistry panel, IEF, 94!
It was a resubmission, last year same project 83.9. I already started to work on the project last october!
Good luck to everybody!
I love this blog
According to the Spanish website, the cut-off score of IIF CHE for 2010 is 90.8; but for this year, 2011, it's 88.6. So weird. Decrease a lot.
@ olè from Italy
That is a huge improvement, 10%. What did you do? Did you just improve your CV with a lot more publications?
Thanks
it is the cut-off calculated based on ranks or are ranks determined by the cut-off? just got 90.1, rank A IEF-PHY,
good luck to everybody!
@ IEF-Germany-UK
Not really that, only two more publications (not even top journals); I really answered to all the referee remarks.
And I was really specific and I will say lucky!
I just got my result (IEF SOC) from the UK NCP after I emailed them: They tell me I scored 99. I can't quite believe this and, in truth, I am a little shaken; I'll have to sign the dotted line before I'm fully convinced. Since completing my PhD five years ago, I've made 178 bids for various different fellowships and not a single one worked out. The fact is, when you've been informed you're a loser so many times over, you start to believe it. And now I'm told I have a score like *this.*
For the record, I was on the B-list last year with a score of 89.1. Good luck everyone; I've got a lot of solace from this thread over the last two years. Here's hoping it's not just a pleasant dream ...
Lodore
99? SCAM I would say :-)
Does anyone got his ESR report by email ?
nope, no report yet
Still no idea what my score is (IEF-SOC)
I think i'll wait for the email because having my scores without comments will make me mad...
@ LadyJane:
No scam--unless the UK NCP are scamming *me.* I know there's been trolls on the thread so I can understand scepticism. Check upthread if you want; I've been commenting here on and off for quite a while. I won't believe anything either until I see the ESR, but I am posting here in good faith.
Waow!! People!! Don't worry!!
I'm here in Spain, and I don't want to know my score !! Relax !! It's soon the weekend! and I prefer to hope a little bit more, and not being nervious for the score!
All will come, don't saturate the spanish line, some spanish friends tried to call today and told me that the line was all the time occupied! Really it's very pathetic!! Do you think it's really important know now instead of next week?
Enjoy the weekend !
@Lodore
Yes, sorry, I meant the UK NCP scamming you!
I know myself, I wouldn't believe it if they would tell me, I would only feel sure after signing the contract!
@ marco goodbye
So we have a 100% score for ozon
And 99 for Lodore
You guys should really publish your application/proposal somewhere as the perfect template for MarieCurie calls.
92 points on IEF-ENV...anyone an idea if that's enough???
90 on IEF SOC. Is that going to be enough?
100% score, you are great!!! 99% too, even if quite 'bizzare' (at this point, they should have given you 100% :-) Congratulation guys!!
I'm still waiting for my IOF- SOC (UK - USA hosts), no email in my box up to now :-(
PS: I definitively wait their email instead calling UK NCP. I prefer to be completely sure of my score, avoiding to go panic for 'uncertain' info (this is just my point of view)
@ olè!
Is this possible for me to contact you privately? My email is mciefrevenge@yahoo.com
Thanks,
For IEF people: If you get higher than 91, surely you made it. The cutoff score for all IEF panels are lower than 91.
mciefrevenge?
why do you say 91? I see that the max cut-off is 89.4 ..
is my bloody email
@IEF-Germany-UK the cut-off is not unique depends on the panel.
For those looking for reliable information on 2010 call check this site http://eu.tuebingen.mpg.de/application-and-open-ca ("Information" pdf). I regret I found this long after submitting my proposal.
guys, just asked UK NCP, i got 79 only for ief-phy, i am done. good luck to the rest. it has been a good time with you.
Hi everyone, I called my NCP - Italy - and she gave me the final score -91.3, IEF-SOC, and told me I am in the A list.... But still not official letter from the REA!
Good luck to everyone!!!
I contacted my NCP. I've got 83 (for IOF-Soc). I am out.
Good luck to everyone.
I have not anything yet from REA.
I applied for an IOF-CHE.
No news yet.
I've not got any info yet (IEF-ENV), will see Monday,
nice WE to all of you.......
I have not been enough brave to phone. I will wait for e-mail.
have a nice WE ....see youon monday
Just found out my score unofficially from the NCP. 91.0 in the IOF (ENV).
Last year's threshold was 90.9.
This year the estimated threshold is 91.0 from the Spanish link above.
Does anyone know if being bang on the threshold puts you in the A list?
By the way this forum has been really helpful. Good luck to everyone!
@ iof canada
if the cut off is 91.0 and you get 91.0 you got it!
@iof canada and afg
unfortunately, if you have the same score than the cutoff, you can't be sure to be in the A list, you can even be 2nd or 3rd in the B list if a lot of candidates have the same score... sorry to tell that but I experienced it last year ..
But it is too early to tell more about that, cutoff score are only estimations for the moment !
Thanks afg, qef. That's harsh getting the B rating with the threshold score. Here's hoping it's enough...
@ qef
I bow to your unfortunate experience. If you´ve resubmitted this year good luck, and good luck iof canada!
sup guyz? i gots 91 - am i in?"
Got 92 for IIF LIF but no ESR yet (informal from UK RO/NCP). Would like to get the confirmation.
Nice weekend to everyone.
@Canada: Being on the threshold can mean both A and B. First, i think that the threshold is calculated using the last A, thus there must be at least one A with this score. Then, last year I was also on the B list with score same as the cutoff. That means I was tied to the last and lost in the major criterion. Plus I agree that the estimates can change. If you are on the boundary, the wait is usually longer.
From previous experience, if you are on a discipline with large population, eg life, people may reject the fellowship and the b list gets very active...
does anyone know where I can find the cut off numbers from 2008? thanks
Did anyone get ESR for IIF 2011 yet by email
@Aby
I would like to know that also. I talked with the UKRO over the phone, but I haven´t recieved the ESR. What Panel are you in?
in the ENG panel
can anyone explain to me what cut off means? A list?
@ken
above cut off = A list
below = B, C or D
(I would like to know that also. I talked with the UKRO over the phone, but I haven´t recieved the ESR. What Panel are you in?)
Dear ??? did they tell you your score over phone
@Aby
Yes, after asking very politely 5 times for it, but then the woman was very nice. She told me 92, but it really seemed she had quite a mess with paperwork over there...
Quick question, will the a list or b list decision be provided in the esr?
@iof canada
No, mid december
@???
Thanks!
One other question: I've read that the coordinators will receive the ESR...coordinators are scientists in charge?
@ken
You´re the coordinator, the scientist in charge is the PI
@??? I was trying the UKRO number, could not get through. Any idea of the time ESR be sent?
@???
Thanks!
re Soc_IOf/IEF: does anyone know how many papers are also funded from B list (on average of course)?
anyone got the ESR upto now?
does somebody know till when is possible to postpone the tarting of the fellowship? I mean when it will be the las motnh possible to start getting the money...
thnaks
@ Aby
I have carefully followed this blog in the last months, and particularly in these days.
NO, I did not read that anyone received an OFFICIAL info about her/his score: just a phone call. SO, no offical emails by ESR yet.
I'm waiting for that '!!!!' email...
@Luca
Did you already get the score? If yes, Where did you get your score?
In which panel?
Does anyone know how accurate the spanish prediction cut off scores are for this year???
several posts say that spanish prediction seams not to be so precise
(even if the Spanish portal is great! very precious!! A lot of useful info!!)
Just a comment on the spanish site: last year´s cut off estimates seemed to be their calculation, this year they cite the European Comission as the source.
But, as many people said, we´ll have to wait not only for the official ESR but for the first version of the lists.
@luca74 Thanks! do you think the cut off will increase much this year...number of applicants increased but also the budget, so maybe not much change?? I am IEF LIF 90 so hopefully will make it...
@anxiously_waiting
Good score!
but, sorry I am not the right person to give you some important info. I am at the first time submission... What I know it is because the precious info that come from this blog. Sorry
Anyway, good luck!!!!
If you are failing the threshold, do you get still a score?
@kim
anyone who submitted receives the score
ok, thanks!... so you could have 90 but you still failed?
not received email yet.........
I have been told that email will be send on Monday
@ klm
Every submission receives an ESR with a score and comments. But the ESR does not tell you if you are on A,B,C etc list, or tell what the cut off is. Last year the people on the A list were sent invitations 2 weeks after receiving their ESRs. Then a few weeks later a pdf was posted with the A,B,C list of proposals by acronym.
@afg
Thanks!
@kim
Yes, even if 90 is good (in my opinion), you are not completely sure yet... not even on monday (with the official email). You will be completely sure only when EC will give all of us the A-B-C-D bloody list. Other guys in the blog wrote that this shouldn't happen before the middle of December.
I don't know if there are other ways to be completely sure before the mid-December. Maybe, someone else in the blog could help you get a more precise answer.
I read that several people called their NPC in order to know their own A-B-C-D position...but I understood that this list is not official (and not definitive)...I suggest to ask other guys in the blog for receiving more precise info about that.
@ luca74
Thanks!
I so love this forum.
@kim
SORRY, READ THIS EMAIL (not the previous)
@kim
Yes, even if 90 is good (in my opinion), you are not completely sure yet... not even on Monday (with the official email). You will be completely sure only when (and IF) ESR contact you for communicating that you are in the A list. Other guys in the blog wrote that this shouldn't happen before the middle of December.
The bloody A-B-C-D list will be published only later, maybe before Xmas.
I don't know if there are other ways to be completely sure before the mid-December. Maybe, someone else in the blog could help you get a more precise answer.
I read that several people called their NPC in order to know their own A-B-C-D position...but I understood that this list is not official (and not definitive)...I suggest to ask
@ Luca74 and Kim
If the NCP says that you are on the B list or below, you are definitely not going to be on (the official) A-list. 100% sure.
But if they says you are on the A list, there is still a chance that you are actually on the official B list. It happened in 2010, several people got A, but then down to B in a corrected list. Poor them.
@IEF-Germany-UK
Thanx, UNFORTUNATELY your explanation is very clear! ...and 'drammatic' for who is initially in the A list and then in position B in the official list.
I would prefer to be eliminate immediately!
Anyway...Kim: good luck!
@IEF-Germany-UK
Which is the reason why they can move several people from A 'heaven' list to B 'hell' list?
@ luca74
"ESR contact you" - remember that ESR can't contact you because ESR = Executive Summary Report
or evaulaton summary report!!
I think I need sleep: can't spell evaluation....
If anyone is interested in seeing an example of an ESR here's a link to one I found on the web: it includes the submission as well, which verges on the bizarre at times (to my mind more simple mind...) www.eironeia.eu/PDF/ProgettoVIIProgrammaQuadro.pdf after quick read, I'm not really sure if this is a spoof...
"I WILL PUBLISH IT" LMFAO!
totally a spoof!!!
@luca74
90 ief lif
so when is the maximum delay time for making the fellowship to start?
I'm from the US and waiting - this forum is so helpful, but I wish I would have read it on Friday to get an email out to the country representatives...
@ luca
As far as I remember, you can take up the fellowship up to 12 months after signing the contract
For those making phone calls ...
Do you call your home country NCP or your host country NCP?
If I don't get anything by Monday 4pm or so, I think I'll call.
@ LadyJane: I tried both, to make sure it is correct.
@ luca74: The reason why they messed with people 'who thought they were on the A list' and moved them down to B list was simply this: some one at the MC was making a mistake. As far as I remember, no apology was made to those poor guys. And that was around Christmas time in 2010.
do you want justice!?
@afg @belegans that proposal is not a hoax. Look for proposal number 235273 in the evaluation report here:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
It's incredible that these guys decided to circulate the entire application. Nonetheless, it is a pretty good example of how a MC proposal SHOULD NOT look like!! Future writers of proposals, take a look at this:
http://www.eironeia.eu/PDF/ProgettoVIIProgrammaQua
to understand what you should not do to be successful!!
@Lady Jane
I tried my host NCP, UK RO. A research officer tried our current national NCP and they did not even know any results were out... Now I keep my fingers crossed that the margin of error on the Spanish site is very small; I hope they would not publish something completely off the mark.
@all
to have a better idea of the possible errors concerning the cut off published by the spanish, does anybody knows (if there was) what was the error they did last year? I mean the difference from the early prediction they did and the real cut off....
If i look in the spanish web site for the prediction of 2010 i found this (http://www.oemicinn.es/programa-marco/personas/ult and for my pane IEF-LIF the prediction and the cut off are the same. at least when I contact the UKRO they told me "for my information" that the cut off of lasr year was 89.1. this year they estimate 89.2...
so can we reasonably trust them? I think I do......
what do you think?
the link is this one for 2010:
so am I right thinking that al teas for LIF they did a correct estimation?
belagans is right. That looks nothing like the ESR I got last year!
@ Greg
the ESR is looks right, but the proposal looks crazy
Hi guys!
I am new to this Marie-Curie thing, so I have one stupid question: Can one apply with 2 proposals (different topics, hosts and Uni) in the same Panel in the same year?
Thanks!
The ESR may be indeed correct but that proposal... is from another planet!! :/
Maybe we are just not on his "level" of intellectual prowess... and in 100 years he may well be regarded as a misunderstood genius with his unified theory of mathematics, headaches and mind...
OR PROBABLY NOT!!!!!!
That proposal should be distributed as part of an MC information pack on how NOT to write a proposal!
I think that the cut-off scores posted by the Spanish NCP site for this year are the good ones because:
-Last year they posted an estimation first and then they correct it. This year they say that these are the cut-off scores, not an estimation
-They have e-mailed me (and others who have asked by phone or e-mail) the score and the list where I am. If they know to which list you belong to, they have to know what are the scores... they just only need to look at the lowest score in A-list.
@all
Does anyone know what the lowest score in the A list is for LIF? Did anyone find out from the spanish NCP?
@raposu
so do you thonk that just for the fact in the title f the post in the spanish website there is not written estimacion, that are the real cut-off scores?
I will be happy if this is true...
@sap22 LIF in which panel? According to the Spanish site the cut-offs are IEF 89.2 IIF 88.7 IOF 90.7
I also have a good feeling about their site, as it has bee rather reliable in the past, the cut-offs interesting for me last year were correct. I have mailed them to ask whether the data is official and comes from the Commission. What I find strange is a huge discrepancy between different NCPs (their info and willingness to help) and the lack of reports in our inboxes....
Can any successful applicant from last year please let us know what date you got your email to negotiate??? Was it December 22??? This waiting is terrible!!!
@ luca
my second reason seems a better reason for me: they are giving everybody the score and in wich list they are... (not only to Spanish people) so they know in which list is everybody = they have to know what is the cut off. But the first reason also helps ;-). If last year they were cautious enough to say it was an estmation, and they told everybody to be carefull and wait for the official ones, why they shoul not do the same this year were different.
My 2 cents anyway.
@ HL33
emails for negotiation were sent Dec 8th last year
@aaa
Were the e-mails only sent to the host institution or also to the co-ordinator (us)? I got a bit confused while reading the posts above from last year...
By e-mails I meant invitation to negotiate (not ESR).
emails sent to both using cc on emails
thanks aaa, this forum is great :-)
@aaa
Good news! So we only have 2 weeks to wait instead of 4! Let's all hope spanish predictions are correct! I called my NCP and was only told my score, not A,B,C,D list...
Thanks for the link from the spanish site, according to them the information is from the official ERC site. So I think the cut-offs are official. IOF Chem- 89.4... if I remember correctly, it a lower cut-off than last year.
Good luck everyone!
IOF-SOC cut-off is lower too (2010=91.4 ; 2011=90.7)...according to Spanish website
IOF-SOC cut-off is lower this year (2010=91.4 ; 2011=90.7)
Do you guys think that the decrease of the cut-off is due the fact they have accepted more proposals within the A list? or just because proposal levels are lower?
@luca74
I think it is also due to the increase in the budget - more applicants this year but also more money to fund projects.
@luca74
There was increase in applicants but also a (greater) increase in funding. We discussed it very briefly with the British NCP. You can find some info here:
@ luca74 I got for IEF SOC last year 89.4 and missed cut off by 0.5%. This year I got 83.8 for an 'improved' proposal. I can't figure why I would drop: am waiting to see ESR to see how they evaluated differently than last year
@ luca74
should have said that the proposal is a resubmission for same project
thanx for your answers! yes, money!
@afg Oh! I can completely understanding your disappointment! Sorry for that! and good luck
@ afg: Would love to learn how that could happen. Please let us know when you have the ESR.
@afg
I got 87.0 in IEF-PHY last year and missed the cut-off by 0.7, resubmitted this year changing the proposal along the comments and got a 92 (hoping the British NCP is reliable). Did you mention that it was a resubmission? I used the same acronym and in the A-part of the proposal I filled in that it was submitted before. I know the evaluators are aware of that info during the consensus meeting and try not to give much different grades than the previous years, all other cases I heard had their grades improved in the second year... The other thing that may be happening to your proposal is that it was so time-critical last year. I guess you have to wait for the ESR to find out. There is always the option to ask for a re-evaluation.
@MR
thanks. Yes, I used same acronym and filled in Part A that it was a resubmission. Time-critical issue does not apply for my proposal (it´s SOC, not usually as time sensitive as hard sciences). Hopefully ESR will arrive tomorrow and provide some clues (but probably not answers!).
ok guys, ready for another day of pure panic???
I have a lot of meetings tomorrow, so will have no time to think about it!
I have the last PhD presentation...Tomo they will tell me if I can do the dissertation (or not!). I think I will check the email after this meeting ;-) ...just in case ;-)
Good luck anyone!
Hello everybody. What about news of IIF? I did not get any information yet:-(
@svetlana
same here IIF LIFS, no news, no email, still waiting
but seems @vittorio already get scores result
CJ thank you for your answer. I understand that we need wait....:-(
No news here either :( . I applied for IEF-LIF, I just got the unofficial scores but no mail yet. I think that we have to wait...
No news here either :( . I applied for IEF-LIF, I just got the unofficial scores but no mail yet. I think that we have to wait...
No news either. It's just a waiting game......
No news either. It's just a waiting game......
IEF, got my unconfirmed score from the UK's NCP last Friday - no evaluation report yet.
Here's an email from a friend of mine who applied for IEF as well and phoned this morning: 'I spoke to a woman there who said she could n't give out the score by telephone & that the evaluation reports were sent out from Thursday of last week onwards. She thinks that all reports will have been issued by close of play tomorrow'.
Has ANYONE on here received their report yet?! It's all getting quite confusing now:-(
I received my score too by email on Friday. I have just checked the process for funding on the UKRO website, and it says that even if you are ABOVE the thresholds (which we don't know yet, except if the Spanish site is correct), then you are still not guaranteed funding because it does not mean you are on the A-list. People on A, B and C list are described as "above threshold", but it is only those who are chosen for A list who are offered funding.
So am I right that you need to get quite a lot more than the threshold score in order to be on A-list?
Thanks for this page, it has been so helpful and supportive.
I applied for IIF in the CHE panel, but without any news.
@UK-France-IEF
As you can see in the guidelines and in many posts above, there are throsholds in each section of the app and there's a "total" threshold. Many apps will be above that threshold.
@ozon
A woman in the UKRO told me the exact same thing as your friend. I'm still holding to my unofficial score...
Stil waiting for the ESR!!!!!!
On the other hand, cut off scores (i.e. scores in the spanish website) are the line between the A and B lists.
@???
Did you call UKRO this morning and did they tell you your score on telephone?
@ UK-France-IEF: thanks - at least some people got it - fingers crossed for everyone on here who has not!
THIS IS THE CORRECT POST (SORRY)
@UK-France-IEF
As you can see in the guidelines and in many posts above, there are throsholds in each section of the app and there's a "total" threshold. Many apps will be above that threshold.
On the other hand, cut off scores (i.e. scores in the spanish website) are the line between the A and B lists.
@ozon
A woman in the UKRO told me the exact same thing as your friend. I'm still holding to my unofficial score...
Stil waiting for the ESR!!!!!!
@ ???: Thanks - same situation here; have my unofficial score (which is way too high with all friends and family members advising me to assume there's been an admin error and if there has not been - plan for a decadent party this coming weekend) but no ESR - it drives me nuts!
@LadyJane
Not this morning, I got the score on friday. 92 IIF LIF.
Hopefully that is the same number that will appear on the ESR...
I hace just got ESR
I hace just got ESR
oh, and UKRO did not want to provide scores this morning (@ozon)?
am wondering: will people with higher/ highest scores receive emails earlier than those with lower scores?
any idea anyone?
@ozon
Exactly the same.
Me too, the report just arrived.
@ Olga
does the ESR info correlates well with the unofficial score???? (I'm supposing that you've got the unofficial score last friday). Good luck
@ those who got their ESR
did you received them at your mail or forwarder from your PIs (coordinators)?
Didn't get anything yet ... and have to start my meetings!
See you later in the afternoon.
please explain me... how do You know your score? Did You call to UKRO or received official e-mail? For now me and my host organization have not any e-mail:-(
Any IIF received the ESR yet?
@???
I have not received mine.
@nnnn, I haven't ask for the score before, as I was agraid. I got 86,4. :((((
I got it as cc'd to the host
Several minutes ago I called the UK NCP and she told me I got A in the list. But I have not got any email yet...
Are the NCPs sending out the evaluation reports? Or do we all get them from the same source?
@ enough?
NCPs don't send them, they are from REA
I haven't got an email yet either...hopefully it will come soon. Does the ESR result match the score provided by the NCP last week?
dear everybody,
has anybody received official evaluation summary report?
@sohelchem
see olga above
@sohelchem
See posts above! Olga and IEF applicant...
I got the evaluation report by mail (I was put in copy of the mail sent to the host institution). The mark matched the result provided informally by the NCP last week. Good luck to everyone!
@IEF applicant
Which panel are you in?
@ Olga,
thank you very much for the info!
Relax! A B lists have not been published yet so there's still some hope.
Mail from the UKRO:
"The Commission are sending out the results of the Marie Curie Fellowships in batches, so it will be jus that the results for you batch have not been sent yet. Unfortunately we do not have any information about when these batches are being sent"
With kindest regards
xxx
on behalf of the Uk National Contact Point for FP Marie Curie Actions
@ anyone with a resubmission proposal this year
Just got my ESR for a resubmitted proposal. There is no comment in it that it is a resubmission and comments are very different than last years (my score dropped by 5.6%). Does anyone know if the ESR should mention that it was a resubmitted project?
@???: a colleague of mine who applied from the same institution for the same stream - IEF - got hers a few minutes ago; still no ESR for me
I got it ca. 30 min ago. My score is 84. Frankly speaking, I am angry about the comments, it seems that the evaluator either did not like the idea at all, or by some reason did not like the Host (or me). I will not discuss the details here. The only thing I can say: I saw a number of successul projects, and I could easily write analogous (and more adequate) negative comments to them.
I am in the SOC panel and I know from the NCP that with 85, I won't be on the B list.
@ afg: It was a resubmission but the report does not mention anything. I am a bit frustrated also because the critiques are also substantially different from last year and thus seem quite subjective to me. Reproaching a work in political science to have insufficient "industrial exposure" is tricky. How do historians working on the 14th Century get a Marie Curie?
2 afg: As far as I understand, there are no mentioning.
Your case is a nice example - this evaluation is a lottery, the same like when you submit an article to the journal: sometimes you can see a very strange comments. Here is the same situation.
run mail run!! still no news for me.... ief-phy
@Dima, I have quite the same feeling.I think they didn't like the idea in my proposal. However, 2 of 3 weaknesses mentioned in the S&T part are just ridiculous.
2 IEF Applicant
"Reproaching a work in political science to have insufficient "industrial exposure" is tricky." )))) LOL
I got a comment that my implementation lacks "some" important details, while I wrote it very presicely. What tehy want - definite synthetic methodics (my panel is CHE)? Or we have to do the project beforehand and say in this part something like "We already did it and it works!...". Curiously enough, few years ago I applied to IIF with different thematics and wrote a very brief working plan, which evaluators found to be "detailed and clear"))))
@ Dima
IMHO: as far as there are so many applicants with very good proposals, they just try hard to find problems in them in order to reject some of them.
Did anybody from IIF receive ESR?
Got the ESR, confirming email from NCP with checklist Friday, we are out. Resubmission to IEF-ENV (on B-list last year) but now over 1 point down to 87. Lost the lottery. Reviewers appear to be more focused on impact - etc and more critical than last year.
Guys, I have revived my IEF evaluation but the informationLetterEvaluation file is not working is broken while the ERS file is fine...
Any clues?
@stefano
The information letter is useless anyway. It is a standard letter telling you about the total number of applications etc.
@Stefano, contact them. Smbd else got the same.
Has any IIF applicant received ESR?
ok thanks,
does anybody know when the final results will be published?
@sohelchem: Nope, I haven't gotten any info yet
still waiting on IIF....
Still waiting IIF
I think the impact emphasis section has been added one week before the deadline!
2 Olga: I agree with you. It seems that their main task is to reduce the score as much as possible, independently on the real significance and potential impact of the project.
I also have a VERY strong feeling that your host plays a crucial role here. Applying to famous, well "recognized" professor having a lot of various projects (it is not important if he do a real science or not) you chances rising very much. Similar to papers submission, don't you think? )))
@ Dima,
yes, but this one is more difficult to spot out from ESR. However, it seams "big" univrseties get more grants then "small" ones (i haven't seen any stats on that, just general feeling)
there is not any news IIF:-(
Hi, dead again 86/100 this year. IEF-ENV
Resubmitted proposal, last year 85/100, addressed all the reviewers comments of last year and this year different creasy comments…
As highlighted last year on this forum I was questioning the scientific skills of the evaluators as based on the listing of the experts provided (e.g. 2009) I didn’t know any of them….
Good luck to every one that will quiet change my plan for the future……but at the moment I’m total down……
2 Leo: I am sorry for stupid question, but is your Host a "great" Man with big track or "just" a professor (even with the publications in "Nature")?
Got 78.8% in Soc panel. Do I stand any chance?
still no email for IEF chemistry to UK....
@ Professor expert in the field of the application with good IF publications but not in Science or Nature (PS: He is an English native speaker). I think my application is definitively not in the field of interest of the EU panel. Highly thinking of contesting the rating of my proposal……. KR Leo :)
Professor
@ Leo. Thanks. Probably, the interests of EU is another one important point.
I got 4.5 score for the Impact part without mentioning any weaknesses (and total score of 84), so the reason for my low score is, probably, different to your....
Still no email - IEF.
@HL33: no email either:-(
IEF-Chemistry-no mail yet
3326 proposals * 10 second*email * 1 email/proposal = 33260 seconds = 9.23 hours to send all ESR... if they started at 9.00 in the morning they should finish by 18.00...
...in a very pessimistic scenario...
@Leo and Dima,
I think the interest of EU is one of good points! If not the key point...
@John: nope, I think 78.8 is out. I got 85.5 and think I'm most def out as well.... last year's cut-off in SOC was 90
Still no email...IIF-CHE.
Anyone knows that how credible was the spanish webpage?
Any IOF-PHY ESR yet ??
@Stefano, they are re-sending letters because of IT issue
@Stefano, they are re-sending letters because of IT issue
@ief-soc: Thanks. Will have to apply again next year. Best of luck, maybe 85.5% will be good enough!
IT issue? IT ISSUE?? I'm not going through today... :)
is "IT Issue" or "I Tissue"?
Or IT the movie!
IT issue! As if we haven't been waiting long enough :(
@John: thanks!! I don't think mine is enough either, so we will compete again against each other next year :) chin up both of us!
@IIF-CHE-Shanghai
???????????? ??
Does anyone know if they have solved the IT issue. Are people getting new ESR?
I have recieved the ESR, but there is only the score in it, not that helpful...
@ jjjj
there was no problem with the ESR pdfs. The problem was with the second pdf in the email, which simply states that you have just received the ESR pdf
@IEF Chem 2
So the ESR is still missing information. Hope this problem will be solved. Cannot think about having to wait another day.
@ jjj
as well, they resolved the situation by sending a Word doc of the corrupted pdf
the ESRs are not missing information. They only ever have the score in them
@jjjj
I think we must wait even longer than one day :( we dont get the ranking with the ESR, it is just the score, as long as we dont know the cut off scores, we know nothing !!
Hi, I got 87.5 for my intra-european (IEF) MC proposal. Is that good enough or not?
@afg
So there is hope we could all get our scores today?? :)
@ IEF Chem
contact the Spanish NCP. They have had the scores and ranking since last week!
why don't the REA simply publish the final results on their homepage?
no ESR.........
@IEF Chem 2
Yes, but at least knowing score is one more hurdle jumped. Then begins another terrible wait to see if it is good enough!!
@ fellow
with 87.5 you could be on the B-list...my guess
@afg
How to contact the Spanish NCP??
look at posts above
Anyone got ESR for IIF yet?
I did not receive anything. IIF-math
@ afg
There is too many posts :(
Just got the ESR in IEF-PHY
92%, so the UK NCP was correct
Good luck to everyone!
Any IOF that got ESR??? I am burning here! According to NCP I should be in, but until I don't see ESR and ranking I won't believe it...
just received the ESR in chem, 89.2%.
Just got ESR mail IEF-LIF. NCP score from Friday was correct!
still no news. ahh well, win or lose I've always got my physics...
just got it: 91.90 IEF-ENV....UK NCP was slightly off, they told me 92....
now the waiting continues for the ABCDE......
IEF-CHE
got 93, would like to know the A/B lists but am feeling positive!
Got my ESR, the information from Spanish NCP was correct.
90.8%
Just received the ESR.. NCP suggestions confirmed together with the score. Now let's wait for the cut offs scores!
Just received the ESR.. NCP suggestions confirmed together with the score. Now let's wait for the cut offs scores!
@enough
yes...now the worst wait of all for A list!
Do we know the total number of applications for IEF?
Looks like only IEF ESRs are coming out...
Any IIF???
nope dear. not yet.
letter from REA (part of corrupted pdf)fo IEF:"in this particular call it is estimated that funds will be available to finance around 600 projects out of the 2529 that have passed all evaluation thresholds."
@IEF ENG
It says in letter in email that 2529 applicants passed the threshold this year and of those around 600 will be funded.
just received the ESR IEF-LIFE 89.2. Borderline, I guess.
Hi,
I just received the ESR, and the score was according to Spanish NCP (97% IEF-ENV). As I posted, last year I had 88.9% and I was on B list. This year I have almost the same scores in the project and in my CV, but the score in the rest of sections are much higher (4.9).
Just got it, IEF-ENV 89.5 .....what was last year's IEF cutoff score? thanks and good luck to all
IEF-ENG first attempt: 93.8
Just received the result by email
Finger crossed.
IEF-ENG first attempt: 93.8
Just received the result by email
Finger crossed.
I got 91.7 there is a way to know if If I am on the A or the B list????
break into the NCP office?
guys I got mine. don't worry you're goint to get it today, they send this emails in batches....
@IEF
Have a look here, this is the estimate of the cut-off scores by the Spanish NCP posted here a few days ago.
Any IOF out?
Just called the German NPC, they give you the rank list right away. With 89.2 IEF-LIFE, I'm 2nd on the reserved list. The cutoff from the Spanish website is right on 89.2
forgot the link :-)
Any IOF results yet??
ANY FREAKING IOF GOT HIS ESR??
Any IIF ESR yet?
Easy, no need to despair... we wait.
Any IIF ESR yet?
Seems IEF go first... Refreshing every couple of minutes!!!! Would be much easier to post it online!
Is there anyone who has got the ESR for IIF?
Is there anyone who has got the ESR for IIF?
@Aby
No, I did not. They evidently began from IEF.
Will we get today? Or the big wait till tmorrow. T
got my ESR (IEF-PHY)! grade confirmed but no rank...
got my ESR. I'm applying for an IEF-LIF and got a 93.
Got my ESR, 0.2 lower than what UKRO told me, I hope it will be enough - as long as the Spanish cut-offs are right....
Just to be clear: you do not get any more info about the resolution than if calling to a NCP except for detailed scores. The worst wait is coming: official cut-off scores...
Got my ESR, and as other have said, the UK NCP told me a score slightly higher than the official score, 89 as opposed to the ESR 88.8.
If the Spanish cut-off is right then I am B-list but probably not very high (IEF-SOC).
Good luck everyone else.
looks like the Spanish NCP is spot on and British is wrong...Spanish NCP also told people their A,B,C placing.
Pity the Spanish NCP didn't post the results...
Does anyone know how the spanish homepage has calculated the cut-offs? Thanks
Just got the ESR- 93.1, the UKRO info was right- waiting for final lists...
I think they are sending IEFs today. It seems that IIF will appear tomorrow. Patience ESR will arrive sooner or later. Good luck all. If you're too anxious try to contact your national contact point (NCP). They shoud have the results.
SOC, I got 93.2. I'm confident but I dont know the thresholds estimated for this year. Anyone knows?
Hi everyone,
I just got my ESR for IEF-PHY. The score is 91.3, according to the spanish website I should be in, right? For good measure I'll keep my fingers crossed till I receive the negotiation invitation...
Good luck to all of you, and thanks for the very informative forum!!!
Got the ESR-94.3, Italian NCP almost right.
anyone got result from IOF-SOC? ... nothing in my email yet :-((
Seems its IEF today. IIF will have to wait until tomorrow! If you're too anxious call your NCP, they should have the information.
I am waiting for IOF-SOC as well...
Dr. Haselof from German NCP is extremely nice. She got the ranking list already and was really happy to tell me the ranking. What she said is that if you are high on the reserved list, there is a good chance to get funded as LIFE is a large panel and they might do some saving measures from other projects to get more projects funded. Also, there might be some withdrawals. As someone posted above, you can see the list from 2009 of each panel, how many projects on reserved list get into negotiation.
@IEF-LIFE
great.UK NCP only gave me the score but told me to wait until Dec 15
Finally got my ESR (IEF-SOC) and yes, I've got a 100% score. It is a resubmission from previous year (B list in 2010) - it's quite unbelievable however the comments I received are really thoughtful and seem to indicate the person who wrote them knew what they were talking about (unlike last year). Good luck to everyone still waiting and this place/forum has provided some really amazing level of support, encouragement and, also, advice on many aspects of submitting/resubmitting!
@ozon
congratulations! that's fantastic
So, do you think the IOF results will come out tomorrow?
@ozon, 100 is pretty crazy, I got 93 but managed 5/5 for the 'researcher' section which pleased me greatly. I am surprised any reviewer gave 100/100 though because they tend to feel that they haven't done their job if they don't criticise at least something.
@ ozon
Congrats! What is your area of expertise in the Social Sciences?
I am just curious to know what disciplines compose the social sciences field in the Marie-Curie competitions.
tx!
I am wondering if I should contact the Spanish NCP as they seem to know more than the rest...
Has someone called them/ emailed them without any relation to Spain?
is there an expert list for this year?
any iof/che here? I should be A list but really borderline...any other borderliners???
Anyone got the ESR for IIF yet. Probably they will not send it today.
@ozon,
it`s great! Congrats! Your case gives hope to those of us, who still are waiting for the results.
I applied to IIF-LIF and still have no any information
@ozon
That's amazing! congratulations!! :)
@kim
Same, the UK NCP told me the same thing...seems like we should contact either the spanish or german NCP!!
@iof-che
you are the 4th IOF (in this list) that has not received email yet. Probably IOFs will be another day...
Above - below list is out
@kim @HL33
Yes, I had the same experience with the UKRO. I asked whether the COM sent different info to different NCP but all I was told is that it's all unofficial...
Did anyone ask the Spanish Agency where their cut-offs came from?
above-below for IEF only (again)
Thanks for contributing the great info on this page everyone - although in some ways I wish I had not found it and given up the last 6 hours to continually refreshing my inbox!
I, too, am an IOF applicant and have not yet received my ESR.
Looking on the Participant Portal the "above-below threshold" list has just been published for the IEF. It would seem to me to make sense that this means that all IEF applicants have received their ESR... and perhaps that the powers that be will move onto the next scheme now!
any math whizzes wanna do some calculations to predict the IEF LIF cutoff scores???!
No ESR yet. I wrote spanish NCP this morning and did not answer neither (I understand they know Cordis is already sending mails..)
Very nervous
can anyone remind me where to get the contact info for NCPs?
does anyone have an independent confirmation of the cutoffs on the spanish site? e.g. from another NCP? wonder if these cutoffs are real.....
@PH : you re probably right, as this is a quote from the above-bellow threshold document for ief :
"Applicants have been informed of the evaluation scores and comments relating to their own proposals."
So I guess that if they published the additional document for IEF, they must be done with emails...
IIF and IOF tomorrow???
It seems no more mails until tomorrow :S
I agree we will get the emails tomorrow...
@ozon
You are 100% awesome.
Thank you for sharing your awesomeness!
@enough
The french NCP gave me the unofficial cut-off score for IOF-Lif by phone on friday. And it is consistent with the spanish publication..
No news for me.............I guess they are sending ESR to IEF.........may be tomorrow is our turn.
any link for the above/below list?? i had a look at the participant portal but it is not there!
@trowel
It's under additional documents: http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
above/below list: only above or below threshold, no A,B,C list. It just means that over 2500 passed the threshold. Nothing concerning which 600 (see above posts) got it.
85 in IEF-SOC
game over ...
what else can I apply for
I'm getting tired of academia
@HL33... thanks!!
Some calculations:
Last year above threshold 75.7%
This year above threshold 76.0%
So same overall quality of proposals + toughness of evaluators
According to available/requested budget of above threshold proposals:
Last year 23.4% get funded
This year 22.1% get funded
So, there is going to be a slight increase in cut-off scores, so the Spanish estimate is once again accurate!
(Calculated for IEF)
I think that that list is just about being above the threshold to be considered (70% and a threshold for each part of the proposal). It does not say anything about your actual chances (unless you are below threshold). No real new information in there.
I think that that list is just about being above the threshold to be considered (70% and a threshold for each part of the proposal). It does not say anything about your actual chances (unless you are below threshold). No real new information in there.
Anybody got something from the IOF ???? i know of one person from the UK who got her score... anybody else ?
Anybody got something from the IOF ???? i know of one person from the UK who got her score... anybody else ?
IOF_ I am waiting...
@ MR
I can't agree on "same overall quality of proposals + toughness of evaluators" for my. Not to harp on about my score but I dropped a lot this year with a resubmission: this year's criticisms in ESR bear no resemblance to last year's comments! I dropped in all categories except 'Researcher' where I went up.
I haven't received my score yet. I improved and resubmitted my IOF from last year, but I think it's very unlikely I'll increase the 10 percentage points needed for the cutoff, particularly given that some people have reported declines in resubmission scores. Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts on a third submission....does this seem silly? Maybe not since each evaluation seems to be independent and completely random...you never know when you'll get a reviewer in your field. Or maybe it would be better to start fresh again.
96.6, on the A list I hope..
I would fail according to the estimation of the Spanish website, 1 point less. Frustrating!
hi guys
what is the thresold for 2011 IEF ENG: I got 87.6
@Lego: I got my 'unofficial' score last Friday after sending a mail to UKRO. No ESR yet...
according to the spanish website 88.0, but we don't know if it's 100% accurate
@MR
I don't understand why you say that the evalutors have become more tough. It seems to me that the cutoff thresholds have actually decreased from last year...am I wrong?
omgggg I scored 0.4 below...so that's it????
@iof-che
I think that the two go together, if the evaluators are more strict the cut-offs also may go down, since the overall scores may be lower. No idea if this was indeed the case tho.
@iof-che
I mean that the combination of quality-toughness is the same, it may mean that there are better proposals with tougher evaluation or the opposite. The score distribution seems to be the same as last year.
Maybe I didn't put it in a clear way
my acronym isn't there!!! :(
Ugh so annoyed, 71 - I bet it was due to female evaluators!!! UGH!
I think it also comes down to what the reviewers like and will push over the line. I noticed while going through the previously successful proposal abstracts a large tranche (above average considering the amount of research) over a few years of projects in SOC related to ceramic studies: clearly a reviewer on board who liked pottery!
@TAN I resubmitted my appliaction (IEF-Chemistry) and increased from 83.9 to 94.3
Don't loose the hope too early! Good luck to everybody
@ frustrated
you can be annoyed, but no need to start blaming females...I'm sure some (if not mostly??) male evaluators were involved in giving you your score
any people know whether the spanish site giving a thresold of 88 for IEF ENG is accurate?
Any more formal sources of information?
@afg
There are always exceptions... Your case is indeed strange and maybe you should consider using the redress option if the comments you got were not fair.
what are the redress option?
@ MR
the parameters for redress appear to exclude any redress on differences between comments/scoring of a submission and a resubmission in a subsequent year
Guys! any way to confirm that the spanish site gives the correct results???
@george we discussed it during the weekend I think, if you scroll up, and I guess we would all like to know the answer to your question... it seems the Spanish NCP has been reliable and no-one posted here anything they got really wrong, but the post there is unofficial. Remember that some projects also get funded from the B-list...
@kk
thanks, but how is that possible an ncp site to be unofficial?
anyway, what do you mean B projects get funded?
I am not sure but I think the only final and official info comes on the Commission website; on the other hand the Spanish write the Commission as their source. Today the British NCP told me, when I asked him about the Spanish cut-offs, that there was no official info on this. About the B projects - even if you are slightly below the cut-off you may get on the top of the B list and get funding.
@ george
I will say it again:
I think that the cut-off scores posted by the Spanish NCP site for this year are the good ones because:
-Last year they posted an estimation first and then they correct it. This year they say that these are the cut-off scores, not an estimation
-They have e-mailed me (and others who have asked by phone or e-mail) the score and the list where I am. If they know to which list you belong to, they have to know what are the scores... they just only need to look at the lowest score in A-list
Plus... all the scores reported here are the same that the spanish NCP gave before.
All the NCP have already, actually since last Thursday: your score, in wich list you are... of course the cut off score (lowest score in A-list)
Why the don´t post the whole list? Probably because the REA does not allow them, but this does not prevent to inform anyone who asks and they have time to respond.
89.2 in IEF-PHY - hopefully just enough...
@raposu and @kk
sorry guys for the many questions!i just found this nice site.
Can you please give the email of the NCP spanish contact? I want to ask where I am in the B list, I scored 87.6 and they give 88
@george
I have not contacted them, but it must be on the same website where the scores are.
88.2 IEF/ENV seems to be out, and probably at the end of B list
No news yet about my score. IIF PHY. Hopefully will receive an e-mail soon.
88, LIF A LIST! YES!!!!
@IEFtoLondon Are you saying that you have an 88 and you are on the A list? in IEF-LIF? I have 89.3
My NCP in Hungary sent me an email that I have 94 points and I am on the A list. I have not received the official evaluation yet.
@IEF to London.
it is even more critical for me than RB, I got 88.2 for IEF-LIF. Are you confirming that you are on the A list with 88 for IEF-LIF? Are you sure? You answer is critical, this would resuscitate my hope... Thank you.
Folks, there's a lot of despair in the comments above. Obviously, I haven't the slightest idea about the stories behind any of them; but let me say this: I put in for every competition worth looking at for the last seven years. This took 170 applications where 'no' was the default answer every single time. This is 170 times being told you're a loser, a f**k-up and a failure. I won't say where it drove me to, because it's something I'd prefer never to think of ever again. This time round, it worked out for me: I got a good score, and I'm certainly in. If I knew what it would cost, though, I'm not sure that I'd not have chosen an easier career--being and astronaut, maybe--instead of what worked out. So, for what it's worth, never relent: only losers quit ...
i don't mind waiting for months for the results....but the final few hours are just nerve racking.....
there is not any news about IIF ENV...???
I am waiting again. But today I have birthday :-) and I hope I will relax
@Lodore. I am agree with you completely. This career it is our choice
Happy Birthday Svetlana!! :-)
@kk Thank you!:-)
@tan
I am going to resubmit third time. I have seen others doing this and getting through third time. If reviews can go down depending on reviews, they can also go up. It doesnt take that much addressing the comments and giving it a last go. However, I will promise myself not to care and not check all possible sites for news all the time.
@Lodore
there are no losers neither people that are systematically worse than others. Possibly stop this fascist, xenophobic attitude and may be things will get better. You did not get the grant you are part of a process. It does not depend totally on u it is just a fraction. Individualist free man.....! Alone u never win anything.
any news?
any news?
The German NCP is great :-) They indeed tell you the list and even approx. how fr you are from the cut-off. Good luck to the guys waiting for the IIF & IOF, give us some good news on the site!
Just got the ESR of my IOF proposal. UKRO score was spot on :)
me too. just got the ESR of my IOF proposal. 90.1, I should be in!
ps: I scored 95.0 on IOF-ENV, should be in too :)
anyone else from iof-che?
Does anyone know the threshold for IOF-LIF???
@pbr Have you got the ESR yet?
Well, what a welcome surprise not to be waiting all day on the edge of my seat!
93.9 in IOF-ENV
Pleased!
Well, what a welcome surprise not to be waiting all day on the edge of my seat!
93.9 in IOF-ENV
Pleased!
The german NCP just told me the same cut-off scores as on the spanish website. According to the NCP, the values are preliminary and may still be slightly adjusted in both directions depending on the number of redress procedures. But the values seem to be more than an estimation and close to the final ones.
Just to feed the statistics. Mine was a re-resubmission. First time (2009) I got 83. Last year (2010) I got 90.3 and I was in reserve list. This year 90.1. Hopefully A list but I am not opening the champagne bottle yet!
Just now got my ESR for IOF-ENG panel, 90.20, so I hope the magic spanish website is correct! It's very comforting to know other researchers are out there with the same doubts...
Good luck everybody !
Just got my IOF-LIF result, and I failed to reach the "Researcher" threshold. This doesn't fell good. It is also bollocks.
Has anyone had the Spanish estimate of the IEF SOC cut-off score of 89.0 (lower than last year's 89.9) confirmed by an NCP?
I got 79.5 (IOF-ENG). I will do redress (last year I got 83.6) and the project was strongly improved.
In my ESR there are non-sense comments
(for example: "pratical arrangements presented in too general way"-I specified also the address of the school for my children!....and much other....).
Do anyone know if they give the statistics for redressed proposal? Although I found some incorrect comments by the evaluator, I don't want to make a redress as I'm the 2nd on the preliminary reserved list now. However, if a lot of people do redressing, then I might slip on the reserved list.
The Italian NCP has told me that 90 projects will be funded in the SOC panel of the IEF call..
Seems it will be an IOF day. Any IIF?
with 88 IEF LIF you go nowhere
okay guys...good luck to everyone here still waiting, I think/hope I am in this time (for your stats: resubmission from 81.4 up to 91.9)....promised myself not to check this site again and get back to work.....
morning guys
does anyone know about the IEF Eng reverse list?
will I be in that list (and in what position) with 87.6 and thresold of spanish site 88; thanks
@DMD
The German NCP told me with 89.8 IEF COS I am on the A list and not really at the very end of the list, there are some projects below. She said there may be small changes. It seems to me that the Spanish cut-off 89.0 may be true.
SOC not COS :-)
I got 96,1 IOF-SOC.
First time submission. My hands is shaking! What do I have to do in order to have 100% confirmation that I have definitively got the fellowship? ...'just' waiting the A-B-C-D list from EU at the middle of December?
got 87 IOF-ENG :( probably in B list
Last year got 86.5 and was on reserve list..
The comments of the referee are quite doubtful in some points...
Got my IOF-LIF ESR this morning.
I am annoyed by 2 specific remarks:
-"The project relies on the validity of a new model as adequate model to study the disease. However, preliminary data demonstrating that indeed this model is adapted and suitable to this objective are enough provided". As always, we have to make the work before asking founds..
-"The candidate shows little mobility. The post-doctoral stay was at the same city with the lab of thesis. Thus, despite 4 years of post-doctoral experience, the capacities of the fellow to collaborate at an
international level have not being tested." It's the raison why I applied for an IOF!!!!
grrrrrrrrr
Luca74, come on, you got it! it is not that you are borderline. congrats.
@iof-che ..you know, I'am a bit 'shoking' now
Do you guys know if it is necessary to do 'administrative' stuff now? ...or just 'just' waiting the A-B-C-D list (and eventually than star the negotiation)
@luca74
I think you are at the C list:)) Come on...
I think you are in for sure - congratulations!!! - but you need to wait for the official invitation for negotiations from the Commission.
@luca74
Get over it!! You are definetly A list!! Congrats!!!!
I applied for IIF Che, but yet to know the fate. Today I called the NCP, UK. The lady told me that I should receive an E-mail anytime from today to december 1st. Sick of waiting......................
@all Ok guys...I'm going walking in the park in order to realize it...
thanx for now!! and I keep the fingers crossed for you! GOOD LUCK!
Can anyone suggest me which NCP should I contact in order to know my score? I am indian citizen curretntly living in France, but my host institute is in UK.
Yesterday they could send 3326 ESRs yesterday (IEF apps), they cand send 2165 today, which is the number of IOF and IIF applications.
Just received my score report (IOF-SOC).
Comments appear quite contradictory and bizzare...even if I I recognize some weak points.
Evaluation is 71.
@sohelchem
I can recommend the German NCP, they did not even ask me where was my host or my home country, they were very friendly and game all info.
@ luca74
Hi Luca, could I contact you privately? My email is mciefrevenge@yahoo.com. Thanks!
@kk,
will you kindly share the telephone no or Email of the German NCP?
IIFs??????????????????????????????
I got 71 for IOF-SOC too...it was the first trial...should I try again?
congratulations for all who achieved to get higher scores! you are my inspirations :)
NCP told me I am 7th in the reserve list of IEF ENG...what do you thinkkk guys?
IIF-CHE 89.0. Is it enough? I knew someone 91.0 and 94.0.
@IIF-CHE Shanghai: Got your ESR by email already?
IIF-CHE Shanghai: did you recive the official letter?
nope, by my host. he asked Phil (UK NCP)
Same here... UK NCP.
This day feels soooo long....
Hi all, I'm sad that after following this page for a long while I’m to report that I am out with a 74 and below threshold in Researcher.
It is never easy to get a reject and I know we all turn to pull apart their comments but my 3.5 in researcher I find beyond! They comment very positively about my experience but under negatives just mention that my last peer review publication was in 2007 and all currents are in process. While this is true what they fail to ask anywhere on the application and understand is I’ve managed to have two babies, teach, and successfully finish my phd in the 2 year gap and currently show 3 papers writing up my phd in process! I find this even harder to take as the other application from my univ got a 4.4 in this section with no peer review publications at all! Really frustrating but trying to move on! Maybe my next application will have training suggested for how to take rejection with grace!
Oh man, this is tough, got 91.0 in IOF-ENV and the estimated cut-off is....91.0! My researcher and training sections both have an evalutation with "no weaknesses". Is this worth a redress or not?
P.S. Is it possible the German NCP could let me know if I am A list or not?
Many thanks guys, well done to all the successful applicants
IOF-ENV 93.5, i should be in
@sad ief, know how you feel, 81.4 all in all, with 4.1 points as researcher, did not win enough (any) awards and no leadership qualities. But what do you expect after a postdoc of 10 months (full time eq), which include a total of 7 months vomiting, and 2 babybreaks.
Does anybody know how much time usually has to pass between the score notification and "something official" to happen? What's the next step?
I got 97.7 in IEF-Eng but I'd like to wait before it's official in order to celebrate :)
...and so it came to pass that in the year 2011, every score was greater than 99.9... ;(
@sohelchem
You can find it here, among the other NCPs
86.9, Is it enough? I think not
I received my official evaluation, 93.9 points, the Hungarian NCP was correct. (It is nice to have finally something to CC to my US supervisor in English, she felt highly inconvenient with the Hungarian letter :-).)
I assume there's still no IIF ESR out there...
COngratulations Moki
how many times have you applied? First time?
Got my ESR, 91.7 IEF-ENV
Some useful information for everybody (IIF, IEF, IOF) on the past applications.
http://www.apre.it/attach/Bandi_PEOPLE.pdf
The document is in Italian, still useful though.
Arghhhhhh, I m 90.3 for IOF-PHY so very close to the cut-off.... Long months of waiting now for me !
ESR arrived...91.6 confirming the NCP. Hope enough for IEF ENV if cutoff will be 89.4????
ESR arrived...91.6 confirming the NCP. Hope enough for IEF ENV if cutoff will be 89.4????
not received any info.........
I got the IEF SOC, 97.8! It was a resubmission, which I have mentioned in the application.
I have called the French NCP, he confirms me the cut-off of the spanish website.
These cut-off are fixed by the number of proposal they can fund now.
They have the entire list of ranked proposals and they can give you the cut-off with that.
which program did you ask about?
Can someone please explain to me how the calculation works to reach the end score?
so, if you have 4,4 for one section [25%] how much does it contribute to the overall score? sorry I can't explain it better..
IOF-PHY and IOF in general
4,4*20*25%
@ili : mark/5 * weight*100
@IEF-CHEM
thanks!!
@ili
I hope your proposal is not in the MAT panel!
@iof-che
I am a social scientist.. do you need more explanation? :)
@NCP-France
thanks
---
But after calculating it twice, I have now seen that the Commission made a mistake....
anyone know wheter 7th in the reversed list gives even a chance for funding????????
Any IIF ESR yet?
@Aby: NOT MINE!!!! Getting more and more anxious...
@ili: what's the finalscore and the individual score for each criteria?
@???
Very anxious indeed. Do not know if they will send today or not?
@george, if you are in the IEF-LIF panel, you've got a chance. In other panels, very difficult to say. For instance last year (2010) there was no funding in ENV panel for people on the reserve list whereas in 2008 and 2009 there were 3-5 proposals funded in ENV panel for people on the reserve list.
But in any case, it is very long for people on the reserve list
@iof-che
it doesn't matter as I am on the A list (according to german NCP)
@Aby: No idea. They had told me that today was IOF and IIF ESR day... Let's just wait, but maybe tomorrow.
what's your score ili - if you are in SOC
@ ili:
(4.4/5)*25% = 22%. Same goes for all other sub-scores. Your score = total all sub-scores.
@kk 92.8
I am sorry, but it looks like the spanish webpage with cut-off scores is not working anymore? Could someone please send the link again? Many thanks!
91.1 on CAR panel, received evaluation email yesterday (Monday 28). Should be above the threshold :D
Got 90.5 IOF-PHY which is exactly the cut-off from last year according to the source of all wisdom (the Spanish website) and we are expecting them to rise I guess? So how do people find out which list they are on, I thought this is not known until December/January. Thanks d
The Spanish website above shows the cut-offs from this year. You can find out which list you are on by asking some NCPs, like the Spanish, German, French.
@???
Did you contact NCP who said that IIF ESR would be out today?
@@d
thanks:) Although don't the NCPS get a ridiculous number of emails these days, are they really going to reply? I just sent two emails asking them, my return host is in the UK so I emailed these two people http://www.fp7peoplenetwork.eu/national-contact-po
thanks for help everyone, and good luck:)
@d yes, that's why I phoned them :-) UK RO seems reluctant to give away the order on the lists, but you could call the German NCP for example - if you are anxious.
IOF-Jennifer: Thanks :-)! This was the first time I applied for MC, I am very happy!
When calculating score,
Can anyone advise if there are any more calculations to be done other than adding up the five weighted scores. Difficult to see how they get to final total on that alone. Is there a final calibration or tweaking once the addition of the scores for the five sections takes place?
@d
I just contact the french NCP and he confirms me 90.5 in IOF-PHY is on the A list...
I m 90.3 so just behind you and on the B list... Maybe you can consider to withdraw yours ;-) ...
Congrats !
Any news for IIF yet?
@ IOF UK-Boston
I do not know, as a generality, whether there is any reason for further calculation to take place beyond adding up the weighted scores. However, I can confirm that in my case the weighted scores add up exactly to the overall score that I was awarded.
For example (not using my own scores):
[(4.5/5)*25]
+ [(4.7/5)*15]
+ [(4.6/5)*25]
+ [(4.7/5)*15]
+ [(4.4/5)*20]
= 91.3
I have received my score 91.9 in the IEF-Lif. is it good or bad?
@qef just found the results of the IEF-eng 2010, 6 first in the reserved got finally funded....and I am 7th this year.... i suppose some people in the A list with post-doctoral experience can find professor jobs and let us the unexperienced to get training:)
still waiting for my scores...
Finally IOFs are out.
Got 95.0 in IOF-CHE.
are the A lists already published? the contact point to which my institution refers to says that above 85 will be likely to get funding (IEF - SOC). Is that realistic or mistaken?
are the A lists already published? the contact point to which my institution refers to says that above 85 will be likely to get funding (IEF - SOC). Is that realistic or mistaken?
I got 92.6 in IOF-ENV. Any thougths either A or B ?
@cb @IOF2Massachu
it has been pasted here 100 times, but here it goes again.....
ps: do you know if the final list is targeted per country or if it is general?
@KK thanks, I already saw this, but my issue raised from a statement made by a contact point from another country and that contradicts this.
@cb oh, I am sorry, didn't realize... I think 85 is rather optimistic, but who knows! @cb there is no list per country.
@KK, thanks a million. I really hope that they are correct.
@KK thanks again;-) it sounds optimistic to me as well, from the feedback my host got from the NCP and its sources they basically stated that we are most likely getting it with our score (86.4), so I just hope they did not raised our expectations for no reasons.
@KK thanks again;-) it sounds optimistic to me as well, from the feedback my host got from the NCP and its sources they basically stated that we are most likely getting it with our score (86.4), so I just hope they did not raised our expectations for no reasons.
I have received my score 91.9 in the IEF-Lif. is it good or bad?
Guys,
everything above the cutoff will be financed or there can be surprises?
I got 93.5 in IOF-ENV, can I feel safe, given a cutoff of 91?
If the cut-ff is as on the Spanish site, 89.2 than obviously you are in LUIS.
So, nothing on the IIF yet eh?
I am out :(
Does anyone knows which score got funded in the reserve list last call?
congrats to the winners!
It is hard to know what a good score is and to know who is a winner/loser. It quite unfair to have to wait for the final result
@ IOF-ENV, whats your score? I would keep a hope until final ranking is made.
anyone knows how much is the net salary for an ief in italy? and the allowances for research? how does it work?
by the way, does anybody know what a good score is for IEF-LIF?
@ sad ief and another sad ief
tough times for having babies and trying to keep a good record of publications. I just had a baby 5 months ago... actually I was writing my proposal they day he was born in the hospital room with my wife and baby recovering. I though it would bring me luck (not really, I am on C list). Now, with no family to help were doing lots of equilibriums to take care of the small one and keep up with our professions.
Love your small ones, and remember that you are a true leader for them. These years will never happen again. Other possibilities will show up.
My very best wishes to you and your families.
PS: I guess it wouldn´t hurt to tell in your CV that you spent X months of maternity leave. It could help the reviewers to understand some possible "blanks" in your publication record.
@IOF2Massachu
My score is 86 and spanish cut-off is in 91, so I think I am quite far but I dont know how the reserve list advanced. I am trying to find the link in cordis.
I have found here:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
in Grant Agreement Production Progress 2011
it is quite difficult to be funded if you are in the reserve list (maybe one or two projects)
Still waiting for IIF results !! Its a long wait...
@ IOF-ENV
I also heard that either one or two people get usually funded in B list.
@MCP: too long...
Why it didn't publish my posts today %=/
Ok it doesn'twork with opera.. Hm ... strange
Does anybody know, why the cut-off for CAR panel is the same as last year? Pure Coincidence?
@ sad ief and another sad ief, I also understand you very well as I am on maternity lieve for last 4 years that I started just after PhD. I have 2 lovely girls. I did my best to keep publishing these years (published 9 more peer-reviewed papers that I wrote myself), payed own money to attend relevant conferences, aided in supervision of a MSc student. Obviously that wasn't anough to do it even to the B list (scored 86,4 in CAR) and for the reviewers to see my liedership qualities. So I really understand how you feel. I am loosing my hope to return to science.
Any synthetic/organic chemists get any news?
Hi,
Has anybody seen the preliminary ranking list (a link, please?) or we are still speculating? :)
I apllied for IOF and I feel rather pesimistic about my score.
How many people applied?
guys come on, having children is not good already? MCs are not the only funding source, they're good but not the only ones, as they say in Spain "animo"!
@ Olga, sad ief and another sad ief.
Gals!
Keep trying and don´t loose hope. There is something better waiting for you. My supervisor had some difficult times when she gave birth... but now has her own research group, 4 kids, publish in top journals and is a happy mother.
All my best wishes to all the mums (and dads) trying to do their best for their kids and research career.
Scored 89.1 IOF-PHY. Probably B list.
Damn!!
IOF-LIF results, where are you????
I reaaally want to know now...
IOF-LIF results, where are you????
I reaaally want to know now...
sorry guys , but i am losing my cool. I got 93.5 in IOF-ENV and the cut-off is 91 from the Spanish site, so I am well above. In my case, assuming that the cut-off is the final time, does that mean that I will be financed OR there will be another selection for projects above the threshold?
Thanks
@svi it aint over 'til its over, but if the 91% figure stands you are looking good for funding. No further selection. If it is still 91% on 15th you are in, and tbh I can't see it going up to 93!
I am sitting nervous on 90.7% :(
One of the comments that my co-worker received was that he may not be at the best point in his career to make use of the program. I think this is a highly constructive comment. Like I said, I know its never nice to fail I just think my comments seemed bias (but again how many of us would say that!). It helps a bit that this isn’t the only section I scored on the low end so even if I asked for a redress I would have to have a miracle! Has it ever been proposed to be a little more proactive on this form? I would be willing to share my proposal and report (as apparently bad examples) and participate in peer reviews for next years round if there are others. We could perhaps create a google group or something a little more secure to facilitate?
svi
if you are that far above the cut off cited on the Spanish site, you are a definite A list, and there is no further selection process. Remember, the Spanish NCP was giving people their scores AND their A, B, C placing last week so it looks like they have a correct list and the A listers
fingerCrossed and q, many thanks, I appreciate. So, if I am above the cut-off, I am in the A list and I will get funded. Now I feel pretty confident I will get the funding, but yeah, not over till is over.
Hi! I have got 87 in the CAR panel, I'm in the reserve list basically with no hope... the weaknesses of my proposal were mainly in parts that my host should have contributed to and now... I do not know if she got upset for the comments, but she did not even answer the email I sent her (a very gentle email) after receiving the ESR. This is definitely not encouraging... i was thinking of redressing, but is this something that the host or the researcher has to do? If it is the host, she would never do that...
I want to give my 2 cents to people who won't get the grant. I've got 90.1 IEF-PHY, just 1.4 above the Spanish cutoff, I'm not sure I'll get it but anyways..
I have a 5 years experience and a few publications (4 papers and a few proceedings).
The things that my reviewers liked most are:
- addressing a problem about a "hot topic" (in my field of course). This means for example that a lot of groups are currently publishing about the topic.
- excellent host group reputation
- project timely and relevant (actually it's because it is "hot")
- stress that you will bring back the acquired knowledge (for example if in your country there is no one that has expertise on the topic)
- stress that you will make "links" with other groups in the host country
- stress that your project will attract scientists (and their knowledge) from abroad
- absolutely: do a Gantt chart! define milestones, risk and contingency plan
- highlight interdisciplinary mobility (e.g. i'm an engineer going to a physics department)
- i have three patents (two of them under evaluation) this has been appreciated very much
so, don't give up and try harder next time!
Thanks Pino,
I think my application addressed all the issues you outline. I still haven't received my score. I have 7 publications, 10 international conference proceedings, 1 patent and 6 yrs experience. Going to a host that's a leader in a 'hot' field. And I'm from a country that has no expertise in this area. Only thing that might hurt the application is that there is not a large degree of interdisciplinary movement.
I hate waiting for these types of things, especially knowing that some people already have their scores.
Well, I have received my score- IOF-Che and 81.6... the things criticized on my project were actually the points of not defining enough training, my profile, potential of... all the stuff that I found difficult to fill-in. I had at the time not yet found this forum... and was too late to change.
I think I will try again next year, after fill-in all the gaps...
Good luck to you all still waiting - the hope remains until last ;)
Lucinda, did you recieve a mail now? Or how did u find out?
Anyone know of any service that reviews your application before you submit it?
To all the winners of this year!
There have been some very helpful contributions lately about strong/weak points of their proposals (from Lucinda, Pino and others ...). While you are still here, would you guys please continue to post such similar helpful info, so that the people who didn't get it can perform better next year. Thanks!
someboby IEF/ENV which knows that it is on B list and also knows how many are between him and cut-off?
Has anyone attempted to redress the evaluation summary report? If so, what your outcome was?
I am thinking to proceed with redressing but I am not sure if the REA really listens to the applicants' arguments....
Does it worth?
when do they plan to release ABCD list ?
IEF-SOC, scored 95, 4 years experienced,
strong points (some examples, most of report simply repeats words from applicant guide or cites my proposal):
ten articles (four in leading international refereed journals) on different aspects of her research, and presented their research at a series of well-chosen conferences in the field; high potential to acquire and apply new knowledge in an innovative way using all types of materials.
They praised proficiency in languages, fellowships and "continuous financing from different foundations for their doctoral project".
Weakness: The applicant is at the very beginning of their career. One cannot talk of “leadership qualities” as of yet. (so score for B3 was 4.8). And this "the
applicant has not yet submitted a PhD, which makes it difficult to assess whether the applicant is or not capable of long term research with deadlines" (true...)
Weakness in B4: The work plan requires more detailed information (at the last moment I included very general timeline).
In my opinion the most important thing in writing the proposal is to start from planning the impact (for your career as well as for EU) and training sections. Make it very clear, it helps and i get a lot points there. It is a little absurd for me, but you have forget for a while about research and concentrate on this. Excellent CV and host also helps - I decided to postponed writing my PhD to have time to write few good articles.
Anyway, I found some criticism on my project completely irrelevant. Don't expect from evaluators to be an experts, for me they are more like bureaucrats.
Best wished and good luck to all!
@kiki
This strategy works well, it has a logical sequence.
But I preferred starting from writing very accurate (and good) research project. When you have it, you can understand which are the best training strategies, and others things... Moreover, you can use everywhere proper words that fit well with your research project.
Of course! Researchers is VERY important. Even if in this case your strategy (' I decided to postponed writing my PhD to have time to write few good articles') is a bit risky, I think you did a far-seeing choice! Well done!
IOF 96%
Good luck to anyone!
Got 92.2 in IEF (LIF) Are there good chances?
in the hope that it might help future applicants a very little bit
IOF LIF 91.9
strength: 1. multidisciplinary, timely, methodology presented in good detail, innovative techniques, good credentials of both labs, 2. researcher will learn new techniques, 3. good educational background and pub record, 4. good labs, enough details, 5. genuine mobility, good outreach plan, new knowledge transferred to Europe
weakness: 1. further details about data analysis would have been beneficial, 2. insuff details on mentorship and transferable skills training; 3rd year is too ambitious, 3. project management skills and leadership qualities need to be further developed by the fellow; teaching skills weakly developed to date; 4. 3rd year too ambitious, insuff details on knowledge transfer, 5. insuff details on ERA competitiveness
numbers match the 5 eval categories
in summary, strengths were rather general, 'good labs, good project, enough details'
'real' weaknesses were
-3rd year is overly ambitious - true, I was struggling with making it something of a 'full project' and compressing it into a single year
-not enough teaching experience - I accept; I worked in an academic institute with limited contact with students as compared to a university
besides that, many comments saying 'insufficient details on...' - e.g. 'relevance and quality of the transferable skills training', mentorship, etc
I feel that my reviewer was fair in trying not to put too much weight on things like description of ERA competitiveness, but it's obvious I lost many tenth of points on these. Given the tight distribution of scores, it is probably worth to try to put as many 'real details' in these sections as possible within the page limits.
good luck!
Staying up until I get my results! Who's with me?
I'm with you :)
Hi everybody, please say:
what do you mean "the SPANISH cut-off"???
Are cut-off levels differentiated between countries?
How possible?
The Spanish site posted the anticipated cut-offs for all of the fellowships. It's now known as 'the Spanish cut-off"
The Spanish site posted the anticipated cut-offs for all of the fellowships. It's now known as 'the Spanish cut-off"
even if is a Spanish cut-off, it should be the same for all the others country...I think!!
Bah--87.1 in IEF-SOC. Nobody expected the Spanish Cutoff....
@fv
Guys, the cut-off is the same for all countries, the information from other NCPs confirm what the Spanish have posted.
Received ESR for IIF - LIF. UKRO had told me 92 and it's actually 91,5. Will post more details later. Hope it will still be above cut off (88,7 according to the spanish site).
OK, now confirmed with the german NCP - the lady said "RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING, CONGRATULATIONS!".
hello everybody,
got 90.6 in chemistry panel. is it enogh to secure funding?
hello everybody,
got 90.6 in chemistry panel. is it enogh to secure funding?
Just received my score for IIF-LIF: 89.4
The spanish site says the cut-off for IIF-LIF is 88.7. Does this mean I'm on the A-list??
Kiki - one of my weaknesses in my section 4 was: "The work plan includes a long list of milestones which does not permit a clear overview of the implementation scheme", so all those putting in next year, maybe they want detail but not too much!
I got 92.5 IEF-ENV hoping to move UK to Norway. Not celebrating til the A list is out. You never know. I have 11 years exp and this is about the 20th Fellowship application I have put in since my PhD, and the FIRST I have ever got (if it's true about the Spanish cutoffs). So good luck to everyone, keep trying, hang in there for the thing you love and you'll get there.
@sahaji
Which program IEF, IOF or IIF??
@sahaji
Anyways, you should be FINE in all the panels in chemistry :-) According to the site with cut-offs
YES!
does anybody know what is a good score to feel safe in the IEF-LIF?
I have got 91,9
should I start looking for a job?
does anyone have an idea what was the cut-off score for IIF-CHE last year got 90+ still apprehensive
does anyone have an idea what was the cut-off score for IIF-CHE last year got 90+ still apprehensive
Hi! Does anybody have experience with redressing? Is it worth it? Thanks!!!
Everyone asking for the cut-offs and scores, please check the Spanish website, I don't think anyone in the forum so far has got any conflicting or opposite information...
does anybody know what is a good score to feel safe in the IEF-LIF?
I have got 91,9
should I start looking for a job?
Regarding the validity of the Spanish web site: those are the official figures but they are NOT set in stone until the official lists come out on 15th Dec. Nothing is certain until the 15th Dec. Until then the figures on the Spanish web site are the best indication you are going to get.
@fingersCrossed
Do you know if the invitations for negotiations are sent out before the official list is published?
@kk my understanding is that the invitations for people on the A list are sent out the same day (15th Dec) as the lists are published.
thank you fingersCrossed :-)
I got 61.5...IIF-LIF...I was ready to low evaluation because it is my first application, but so low... Some comments I can understand, but the others...
Here you can find lists of experts for 2007-2010. 2011 is exepted.
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/experts_en.html
but, in fact, we never will know, who evaluated us...
Here you can find lists of experts for 2007-2010. 2011 is exepted.
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/experts_en.html
but, in fact, we never will know, who evaluated us...
Got 92.2 in IEF (LIF) Are there good chances?
Both the spanish and the german NPC told me I'm in A list (91,5 IIF-LIF panel). Of course, I have to wait for the final list/invitation.
I got 91.8 in the IEF-Lif I think for me the game is over :(
I got 91.8 in the IEF-Lif I think for me the game is over :(
I do not understand if these guys are trolls, lazy or just not too smart. GUYS, go to the spanish page (there are probably 100 links above) and see the cut-off for yourself! Stop crying out and try to read a little bit above before asking dumb questions.
@iof-che
I was just thinking the same... :-) Still, maybe people are nervous after getting their scores, but please read some posts before asking.
@iof-che
I agree! based on past posts you should know 91.8 is well within spanish cut-off...so why think the "game is over"? It only serves to panic others!!
Can any of the IT experts here write a script pointing to the Spanish site every time someone asks if they are above/below the cut-off? :-)
Thanks for all the useful posts.
I'm IEF-SOC, 95, so should be in :)
Does anyone know how open the REA is to part-time fellowships?
Thanks
For those interested in IEF-SOC, one of the NCPs told me there are currently 95 projects on the A-list.
What type of salary do you get? A Range would suffice.
@kk
with cut-off 89.0?
IEF-SOC
@bh, can u say, please, which score did you get in B3? I received same weakness point there (without teaching bit)?
@all I am also intrested about redressing, please, share if smbd has experience!
I have 90.0 (IEF CAR) and I can't get in touch with any NCPs from my two countries (Ireland and Hungary)! The phones just ring out or are busy, emails not answered. Do you think I can ring Germany or Spain for info? or will they respond to emails? Any of you have phone numbers that are worth ringing? I'm kind of nervous about my score, although the Spanish cut-off is encouraging.
got my ESR, again disappointed.
I resubmitted this year.
last year 90.5... spanish cutoff 90.7...not granted
this year.....88.5....spanish cut off 88.6...not much hopes!
I received very good comments in all sections, still score has reduced even after improving upon last year's project.
@LadyJane
Yes, I think so, but I am not 100% sure. I don't think it is higher than that.
I think, they were more strict this year then lat year, at least in CHE panel
Dear all,
86.8 / 100 IIF-LIFE. I think I am out. FYI, 204/876 projects will be funded.
Good luck to everyone!
Got IEF-LIF 90.3 The Greek NCP told me I should be OK and that currently it is not very clear when someone has around 88-89, which most probably reflects that the breakpoint might fluctuate. I suspect they have an average budget for each proposal and when they put down all the figures (e.g. country-specific correction factors and years of experience and laboratory or non-lab expenses) this might end-up a little bit different. Good-luck to everyone!
I have experience with redress. I did it 2 years ago. Comments were contradictory and very very subjective. Redress was not succesfull. I think redress % success is very low. They are pretty good in giving you comments that can be true or not. I tried again last year and increased my score a lot (90.3) but was not enough again. I was on top places of reserve list but nobody called me. This year my score is slightly lower (90.1) but it seems that is enough (paradox).
I have experience with redress. I did it 2 years ago. Comments were contradictory and very very subjective. Redress was not succesfull. I think redress % success is very low. They are pretty good in giving you comments that can be true or not. I tried again last year and increased my score a lot (90.3) but was not enough again. I was on top places of reserve list but nobody called me. This year my score is slightly lower (90.1) but it seems that is enough (paradox).
I'm getting worried... have not heard anything yet.
And I don't see so many comments about IOF-LIF today...seems like most already recieved their ESR in IOF-LIF...or?
@ iof-che
Can you explain a little about what points you included in the redress? Was it on mistakes you thought they made in the evaluation, or was it on their judgement/scoring? Also, do you know if the redress goes back to same evaluators? When you say comments were contradictory, do you mean comments in the redress contradicted themselves, or they contradicted the ESR comments?
@afg: the comments in the ESR were contradictory and also not true. For example, they said that the scientific idea I was proposing was already carried out by other european groups. This was just NOT true. Also, there were other comments that were very subjective. For example, they stated that Impact was not enough well demonstrated. However, I had all the 2 pages allowed for impact with many very specific points where I tried to demonstrate impact. I don't think redress gets back to the same evaluators. But they just try to kill the redress and don't think about it. If you see at the additional documents of the IOF, IEF and IIF I do not think there is someone that did redress that was called for negotiation.
@iof-che
So, your redress was on their judgement, but not on actual mistakes they made? (I realise that it can be hard to separate these!!)
@iof-che, when u did redress did you write yyour comments on the evaluaters comments (i hope u understand what I mean)?
@iof-che, when u did redress did you write yyour comments on the evaluaters comments (i hope u understand what I mean)?
@iof-che If you look at the end of the information letter that they sent you, the part of redressing actually said "The redress will not be done by the expert evaluator ...". If it does mean what it say then there's no point to redress :(
@afg and olga.
I have never seen real mistakes on the ESR. I redress on the evaluators comments that were to me not fair. But, again, my experience is that is is pointless and useless.
@ iof-che
There were some fundamental mistakes made in my ESR. A clear misunderstanding of the project subject matter.
Does the cut-off for IIF varies with various countries? I meant if the cut-off for spain is 90 will it be same for say UK?
@ IEF-LIFE
the comment that the redress won't go to the evaluator is meant to mean that the request for redress won't be taken personally by the evaluators in question, i.e. they won't be defensive. It first goes to a board who judge whether the redress is valid. If it does pass the first judgement, I wonder does it then go back to the original evaluators who need to justify it?
@afg: can you demonstrate that the evaluators misunderstood your project? I seriously doubt it. Probably it is like you say but demonstrating it is different.
@ iof-che
I probably can, because it is a resubmission, and in 2010 the evaluators clearly understood it, but not this time around. It is clear when you compare the ESR of 2010 to 2011 (I was v. close last year, but dropped a lot this year).
There is one cut-off the same for every country.
Thanks. So is the cut-off published in Spanish website trustworthy? I mean to say whether the cut-off that were published last year were the actual representation of final cut-offs of IIF-2010?
I got my score confirmed by different NCPs and it's consistent with the Spanish cut-off.
from the german NCP: "Check the spanish cut-off, those are the numbers we have. It's not official, but...". As IIF-CH said, I had the score confirmed by different NCPs and all of them were using the spanish cut-off. Otherwise, we'll have to wait till Dec 15th
thanks...can anyonw provide me with a link to check last year's cut-off published by Spanish site..btw whats a NCP?
@IIF-CH: National Contact Point (http://ec.europa.eu/research/fp6/mariecurie-action
About the redress procedure: I did last year claiming that the experts were not relevant with my field because the comments were naive. They proceeded to check the whole process and finally I got an e-mail saying that the CVs of the experts were compatible with my area therefore nothing could be done. I also claimed that the experts were not compatible with the Marie Curie spirit because they put as weakness that I have not been out of my country before, which is exactly why they made M.Curie: to mobilize researcher that have not been mobilized. I think that there are a couple of experts there which are totally ah!
Thanks...the website is of great help...Thank you very much
@afg and @IEF-LIF last year: Thanks a lot for the explanation. I will probably not redress as I might be 2nd on the reserved list (according to the German NCP).
I agree that the comments are subjective but it's like that everywhere. For example, in the quality of the host section, my boss is marked down because he has limited training experience, which is somehow true because he's a starting group leader. However, my colleague last year got very high mark and no criticism (4.7) with the same boss.
hey guy to those who applied for IEF, does anybody know what it is a good score for this year, I have got 91.7 and this is my first submission, so I have not experience with it
Can anyone tell me how does one confirm the cut-off marks from the respective NCP?
@CHEM-IIF No-one can confirm the cut-off marks at this time point. They are just estimates. Will have to wait a little bit but we do not expect a big change from these estimates. Especially if you are on a large group. For example IEF-LIF is a huge group. We should not expect a fluctuation larger than 0.2 from the spanish-cut off.
@IEF-LIF IS IT OK TO FEEL MORE LESS SAFE HAVING A 91,7 SCORE?
@lio scroll up and look at the link that was posted here 100 times from the Spanish site, it is the only information that different NCPs provide; otherwise you have to wait until 15 DEC
@IEF-IIF
When you are talking of numbers how large is the group? Do you have any idea about IIF-CHE group? Thanks
@KK, THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT. I SAW THE SPANISH WEB SITE. HOWEVER, I CONTACTED A PERSON IN CHARGE OF GRANT ADMINISTRATION IN MY INSTITUTE AND SHE TOLD ME THAT THE SPANISH CORES WERE FOR LAST YEAR. SO I AM WORRIED BECAUSE SHE ALSO SAID THAT THIS YEAR THEY MY INCREASE BY 2 POINT. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHETHER THIS INFORMATION IS NOT TRUE?
@lio These cut-offs are for this year. They were confirmed by some other NCPs (i.e. French or German). The cut-offs increased for some panels but decreased for others. The funding increased as well. Don't worry! :-)
@KK, ONCE AGAIN MANY THANKS YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME RELIEF. I HOPE I GO THROUGH IT AND ALSO I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK
One of my "weaknesses"
"the applicant is not an established researcher yet"
If by "established" they mean person with independent lab and funding, then, I don't think any "established" researcher would apply for MC fellowship.
I applied for IOF, and still did not get any results.
Anybody out there that still waits for their results, feels like I'm the only one left... :(
What could be the reason? Not eligible or missed out something important in the application...? so confused...
@ very very confused???, my friend told me that it happens when they consider the application not eligible. but who knows, hope this is not the case for you
@Alla: Thanks for the list of experts 2007-2010.
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/experts_en.html
Last year I check it as well and was quiet surprised to see no well known scientists in my field or even close area…FYI, the same unknown experts said this year (last year this part was fine for me) that I have modest publication (FYI, I’ve..~ 20 publications with IF as first authors with mostly IF ranked 2 and 3 in my field ; and ~ 10 as co-authors) well no comment...it is really a joke, do they expect only publication in Science and Nature these TOP experts..
Question: Do you know any of these ‘’ experts’’ (have a look at the 2010 list) ??
So if you have not got a good score in this MC funding it doesn’t mean anything as it is biased (# based on your research area). However for fun and without stress next year I will submit the same proposal for the third time… or perhaps I will propose my name as evaluator for the next MC people and make some money easily + travel all fees paid to Brussels
@lio
Thank you for confirming my worries...:(
seems like that...so sad that I'm not even eligible...so frustrating...
i scored 5/5 for researcher with 9 publications and 1 patent over about the last 6 years. this includes 1 Science paper and several other 'top of the field' journals.
@you need high impact publications. What is the mean output of your supervisor? I suspect that it wasn't you that boosted your supervisor's career. Also how many first author papers? At which country? These are key aspects that an expert should take into account to balance inequalities and find who is the smart and who is the lucky. Don't try to show-off.
I agree with IEF-LIF; it sounds like showing off to me...
I agreed to IEF-LIF, it is not very clear how they evaluate a researcher. I finished my phd in 2 years and a half and published 4 first author papers (all together 58 points of impact factor) and yet I got only 4.5/5 in my evaluation. and they wrote as a weakness that my potencial for reaching professional maturity is not convincingly demostrated...
@NCP-France
Hehe sure, I have applied for a couple of fellowships so I promise that if I get both (highly unlikely) I will pass my IOF-PHY to you;)
No but seriously what you say that the French NCP (and less reluctant to share info than the UK NCP - I love cultural differences) said makes me very happy (that IOF_PHY with 90.5 is on the A list this year). But I just don't feel I can trust anything they say until is has been published officially (and even then, remember what happened last year? they messed up the lists on the OFFICIAL website for an hour or so).
But thanks anyway and good luck to you :)
Hi all, got EMBO, now I am relieved and not worried about cut off as I got 86.9 there is no hope in MC
it is on the forum somebody which received more points after redressing procedure?
Hey, I've been reading all of your comments and had a couple questions. I just got my e-mail, I applied for IIF, and it turns out that I didn't pass the threshold for the Researcher section. I don't have enough publications since, at the time I turned in the proposal I only had submitted one manuscript. Now it is accepted and I'm working on another. Can I address that in the readdress process or would this be considered 'new information'. If I can readdress this then I will readdress other comments. Also, does anyone have experience with readdressing and if so, could I bump up my score enough for it to be worth it?
Thanks!
Also, I wanted to say that my score is 79.50 :-( This is my first time submitting to the IIF, so I can try again next year. However, any suggestions about the readdress process and if it's worth it will be very helpful.
Thanks again.
redress does not allow new information
It seems there are more people in my situation, probably out in the process after a resubmission. It is dissappointing: 80.6 last year, and 86 this time. I don´t know if resubmitting next year. Is there anyone who got it at the third try?
Hi to the guys who are thinking about REDRESS!
1. So far, NONE of the redressed applications got higher score than the initial evaluation.
2. Only a few % of the people who requested redress could actually get to the re-evaluation round. The rest of them just got beaten down immediately by the administrative EC people.
3. You might as well get a LOWER score for redress, so dont even think about it if you are in top 3 of the reserve list.
4. If you are too far away from the (estimated) cut-off from the Spanish website (scroll up and up to see link), dont waste your time with redress as well. I'd say if you are less than 2% from the cut-off, apply next year.
Best,
@puff: I got it (hopefully) the third time. I am still not sure I am in but this is what my NCP and the spanish cut-off say
How can one know that no redressed applications got higher score since scores are confidential/not published?
@ iof-che
thanks that gives me some hope. Congratulations!
hi guys, i have some remarks in the recommendation for negotiation section concerning ethical issues. What does it mean? Could I have some trouble? (My score is very high, well over the spanish cut off) Or maybe my negotiation will be very slowly?
@IEF-Germany-UK: Did you mean "if you are MORE than 2% from the cut-off, apply next year."?
@IEF-Germany-UK: Did you mean "if you are MORE than 2% from the cut-off, apply next year."?
Thanks. I guess I applied for the IIF one year too early. :-(
@ Olga: Sorry it's a bit confusing. I meant: "If your score is 2% lower than the cut-off"
@afg: I happen to know a NCP, who is also involved in the Internal Review Committee - the one that will deal with redress.
@Olga: I got 4.7 in B3. sorry for being slow
An NCP and involved in the Review committee....sounds a bit off and unlikely
Given that this site was extremely helpful for me in my first (and hopefully successful) Marie Curie application (IIF-LIF), I wanted to share with you present and future applicants, my experience.
I have applied to many fellowships in my career but I have to say this was the most challenging one by far. By challenging I mean that not only you have to i) come up with a novel, interesting plan, ii) have a pretty nice CV, iii) have a senior scientist (PI) with an excellent publication record, and iv) all the usual stuff, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE TO THINK IN EVERY LITTLE ASPECT OF THE PROPOSAL IN A VERY STRATEGIC WAY.
I have to confess that I read many documents that are going around and I want to share some thoughts:
1) READ THE APPLICATION GUIDELINE CAREFULLY, it says many many MANY things you have to take into account for each section.
2) These evaluation guidance notes, although from 2009 were quite useful for me (http://www.science.ku.dk/finansiering/eu/people/ka
3) In the case of the IIF, try to find some document/agreement or something signed between your third world country and the EU that you can cite in the IMPACT section.
4) Try to get a successful application (ask your host about this - you won't find anything useful in the web).
5) Here's a document that was very helpful (https://workspace.imperial.ac.uk/researchservices/
6) Definitely use a GANTT CHART for the work plan, and I mean DEFINETLY! I learned the basics of Microsoft Projects for that purpose and is quite friendly as you won't need to use that many functions.
I ended up realizing that you really have to "sell" yourself: many of us have papers, teaching experience, meetings, outreach activities, YOU HAVE TO MAKE CLEAR ALL THROUGHOUT WHY YOU. And again here, don't forget to address every single point in the Guide for Applicants.
I hope this is helpful, as it is my way of saying thanks to everyone that contributed to this hub.
89.7 in IIF ENG 2011.
Any chance for A list?
Cutoff according to spanish website is 89.4....really close! i will not be able to sleep for next week or so!
89.7 in IIF ENG 2011.
Any chance for A list?
Cutoff according to spanish website is 89.4....really close! i will not be able to sleep for next week or so!
I got 92.7 score in IIF 2011
I got 92.7 score in CHE IIF 2011
This score will be in A list
@???
hi, your links do not work (explorer), could you please link it again? I believe it will be much helpful- I have 80.8, my first time in MC, so I am sure must prepare for resubmission
I got a 90.4 on IIF-PHY. Is it possible to be in a list?
cut-off according to the Spanish site for IIF-PHY is 88.0, which means at the moment you are on the A-list, which is still unofficial though.
apparently everybody have now received their ESRs, the next step before the publication of the A,B,C list is the invitations to negotiation for successful applicants.
Any forecast about the date when letters will be sent ?
apparently everybody have now received their ESRs, the next step before the publication of the A,B,C list is the invitations to negotiation for successful applicants.
Any forecast about the date when letters will be sent ?
the cut-off for IEF IIF IOF from the Spanish website is now removed.......
strange, maybe they will update them
@kat:
http://www.science.ku.dk/finansiering/eu/people/ka
https://workspace.imperial.ac.uk/researchservices/
Good luck!
ok, since people think i was boasting i was just giving an example (of myself) that i got a good researcher score without a lot of publications. For the record I have no such thing as 'first author publications' - authors have always been in alphabetical order for me.
to get a good score in the researcher section, you need:
* good publications (not so important on the number, quality is important)
* to demonstrate that you were essential in making the advances contained within those publications
* to demonstrate you have the potential to have a very successful scientific (academia OR industry) career.
* to demonstrate that to be funded for your marie curie project is EXACTLY what your career needs and that NOW is EXACTLY the correct time for it.
* to demonstrate you can learn new skills (e.g. by having worked in diverse areas)
* to demonstrate that you will learn new skills through your project (not just scientific, also project management, inter personal, presentation, etc.)
this might help someone, hope so.
and for the record I have no idea what whether I 'boosted my supervisor's career' has anything to do with, well, anything really?
@bh
That means they don't have any graduation for marks. Evaluaters put their marks as they wish! because with same comment apart from teaching bit (I have 1 year of teaching experience to the university students and 4 years of teaching to school students) I got 4.5. Besides I have only 2 yers of research experience (according to their calculation), but 25 peer-revied papers.
@???
Thanks a lot for your share of useful information.
It would be great if the other people on A-list could continue to post their resources to help next year applicants.
last year for IIF 2010
eligible proposal crossing 70% threshold is 798 ie a, b, c
number of project funded 137
for this year IIF 2011
eligible proposal crossing 70% threshold is 876
number of project will get funding 204
so that increase in proposal as compare to 2010 is 78
increase in number of funding position is 67.
in my openion this time round the cut-off threshold may get slightly reduced as mentioned in Spanish cut-off 2011?
anyone with IIF ENG? Can some post there score, inside info regarding the cut-off etc? I wonder why so few IIF ENG people have posted cut-off info.
@Wondering
I got 96.1% in IOF
Yes, sure.
But:
First, I would like to be completely sure to be in A list.
Second, I think it is better to wait this caotiich 'moment of results'
Keep in touch!
@Wondering
I got 96.1% in IOF
Yes, sure. I did, in part, it
But:
First, I would like to be completely sure to be in A list.
Second, I think it is better to wait this caotiich 'moment of results'
Keep in touch!
Bahag
The Spanish site removed the cut-offs?! Wondering why... :/
No one recived any comment in the section "reccomandation for negotiation"? Please let me know, I am a little anxious
i got 5 comments in that section. is that a bad sign?
one of them is problematic and questions my seniority (i have just 4 years of research experience).
i got 5 comments in that section. is that a bad sign?
one of them is problematic and questions my seniority (i have just 4 years of research experience).
PS: my score is 89.6 in IIF ENG
PS: my score is 89.6 in IIF ENG
I've managed to talk to my NCP and found out that I am on the A list with 90.0, and in the top 25% within my panel. That should be good news for anyone with similar scores!
@dumb If you take the time to have a look to this forum, you'll see that all the questions asked this year have already asked and discussed before. I just say that because you can find your answer more quickly.
Last year some applicants found somethong like :
"favourable opinion of the relevant ethics committee(s)" and other don't have anything.
There was a discussion about that and the main feeling is that:
"I think that the comments in the Recommendation for negotiations are issues that have to be raised in case the negotiation takes place, such as ethical issues. It is not indicative of how likely the negotiation is."
Does anyone have an idea what happened to the Spanish page? Are they updating the scores or was the REA mad because they were spilling the beans for everyone?
Yes, can some spanish follower of this page call the spanish NCP and see why they cancelled the page?? I am freaking out a little bit. That page was my hope!
Gosh...Where is that Spanish Page that helped me calm my nervous...What has happen to it? Why have they taken out?
Couldn´t get through on the phone. I sent an email. Will let you know...
Hmm, let's not worry too much. There must be a reason why other NCPs did not make the info public, even though they provided the same information on the phone. Maybe someone (EC?) complained as it looked like an official info.
They just told me that they do not want any trouble in case cut-offs vary a bit (which could happen in some tenth of point, although they still do not expect major changes).
@??? Thanks a lot :-)
@??? thanks you. Godbless
Hey Guys I got 87.7 in IIF-CHE Yesterday. Is there any chance to be in the A list?
Hey Guys I got 87.7 in IIF-CHE Yesterday. Is there any chance to be in the A list?
Just for orientation, since the Spanish site is now taken down, these were the cut-offs posted there - please remember they are unofficial:
IEF
CAR 88.2
CHE 89.1 LIF 89.2
ECO 85.3 MAT 87.0
ENG 88.0 PHY 88.7
ENV 89.4 SOC 89.0
IIF
CHE 88.6 LIF 88.7
ECO 89.0 MAT 87.5
ENG 89.4 PHY 88.0
ENV 90.1 SOC 93.1
IOF
CHE 89.4 LIF 90.7
ECO 93.2 MAT 85.6
ENG 88.9 PHY 90.5
ENV 91.0 SOC 90.9
hey guys, great site! Nice to see how everyone is so involved and willing to share. It seems that the scores that kk just posted are pretty good guidelines. The actual cut-offs may differ by 0.1 or 0.2 points but probably not much more, so hopefully this will give most people (including myself :)) some guideline as to know where you stand with your score.
Hi everyone, I am new in this site. I have been reading some of the posts above and I would like to know how I can
allocate myself into categories (A,B, C, D)
Please try to take some time to read the posts :) All the data you need is above. As you´ll find above, there´s no official way to do that as to know. But the "unofficial" threshold (cut off between A and B) are two posts above (kk)!
Best
Ok, for example I have 91.5 in IEF-LIFE and the threshold is 89.2 (as above), does it mean that I am in A or simply that I passed the threshold that they set to start considering the proposals?
The A list is when they start considering proposals
People like Eli dont deserve to get the Fellowship :D, they know nothing and dont want to learn by reading.
Just kidding :)
i got 96.2 in soc. i hope that is more than enough.
@Eli :-) Yes, you are on the unofficial A-list. The thresholds are set at 70, so I am not sure IEF-fr is right. A-list simply means "recommended for funding", B-list is a reserve list. If you are above the cut-off that I re-posted from the Spanish site, it means you are on the A-list.
I noticed the evaluation report is online for IEF but not for IOF. Does anyone know the reason why?
I agree with kk. In fact I don't see the usefulness of this 70 threshold.
@JPR We noticed on this forum that they were first sending out IEF and once the ESRs were sent out, the posted the list. Still, that list is only above/below treshold, so really pretty much useless... I wish we had an official A-B list :-)
People from my NCP (Spain) told me that the info posted in the Spanish webpage was not meant to be published. They were informed and removed the link afterwards.
Still it is not clear to me whether those were internal estimations (as in previous years) or some kind of official data from the Program that shouldn't be released... Of course, I prefer option 2...
The info from the Spanish site was confirmed by some other NCPs (for example in my case), so I guess they are reflecting the actual cut-off. Last year there was some trouble (see the posts on this forum from last year), as a couple of people (I think two or three) from the end of the A list were moved to the B list, so I can imagine they are cautious about publishing scores.
from what I understand all the NCPs have already the A-B-C list. I don't know if these lists are definitive or preliminary. I swear to God that I start hating this EU guys. If you have the A-B-C list why don't you publish it?? If the list is still preliminary why the heck should you send it to NCP?? That all sounds unprofessional and mean to us. It seems that they are just enjoying seeing us suffering and being nervous. I am sure that they are all reading this page and laughing at us!
@nervous
I totally share your frustration, but I understood from some posts last years that the invitations were sent out already around 6 December. I think they made the first estimates and the real results should not differ too much from that. That's what one NCP also told me.
I think that kk is right. The Spanish cut-off probably comes out of the ranking of the proposals and assuming a mean budget for each. On the border things might change because of not all projects having the same budget and possibly a limited number of successfully redressed proposals. I am sure that there were strong protests last year from people being moved from the A to the B list, so people are more careful this year. Also I think that the Spanish people themselves and the REA as well did not expect the popularity of the "Spanish cut-offs", something greatly boosted from this thread. Adding all these together I am not surprised that they had to take down the page...
MR :-))) Popularity of the "spanish cut-offs" :-))) I agree! I bet people were calling their NCP's asking - can you confirm the Spanish cut-off?!
please provide the spanish website details
please provide the spanish website details
IOF and IIF Flash info on the Research Portal now also published, above/below treshold.
@sss
kk posted the "Spanish cut-offs" couple of hours ago. See earlier posts. Together with flamenco, bullfights and lollipops, the well known "Spanish cut-offs" are one of the most important contributions of Spain to the world.... At least for the next two weeks or so...
I think spanish cutt offs are accurate.
Last year (90.5 score) I was placed in A list. So I thought spanish cutt off (90.7)was approximate. But later I was moved to B list, which was in agreement with spanish cutt off.
@IIF-CHE: shoot! and they did not call you from the reserve list? That's pretty unlucky! I am just 0.7 point above spanish cut-off. I really hope these spanish guys are accurate!!!
@IIF-CHE: shoot! and they did not call you from the reserve list? That's pretty unlucky! I am just 0.7 point above spanish cut-off. I really hope these spanish guys are accurate!!!
@nervous
Ya, I was not called last year. And this year again I am 0.1 points less than their cutoff. Lost hope!
But I think, you should be ok! Good luck
@nervous
I am 0.8 above the cut-off but I was told this is 10 people behind me in the A list, so let's not panic YET. :-)
For those who missed it: The Spanish Cut-Off http://www.imagesocket.com/photos/guest/2357074
@ kk: what panel are you? and are you IEF?
@ kk: what panel are you? and are you IEF?
@ nervous IEF-SOC
So in your panel there are about 500 applicants in my panel (IOF-CHE) there are about 50 applicants. So, if I do proportions correctly this means that I should expect 0-1 people between me and the spanish cut-off!
is the cutoff everything? Are there other considerations as well? I've heard a few stories about other projects being funded--is discipline considered at all?
I'm at 87.1 in IEF-SOC so definitely short of the 'Spanish cut-off' but wondering if I'm fully doomed yet...
i believe it depends on the number of people in the A list...if they are lot...1% is expected to withdraw...last year 6 in the IEF-ENG A list withdrawed and 6 people in the B list were funded....this year budget is larger so some B list projects will be funded..
@IEF Germany- UK
1. Based on what facts do you say that "So far, NONE of the redressed applications got higher score than the initial evaluation"? How do you know?
2. What does your suggestion of not pursing the redress procedure if one is in the top 3 reserve list" mean? Are you referring to the A-B-C lists? In other words, do you mean third place in the B list?
3. How did you come up with the 2%?
I would much appreciated your further clarifications.
thanks!
@kk @nervous
I am really new to this whole experience of writing grant so can you please tel me who did you exactly ask regarding the info that you posted? As in who told you that thre are 10 people behind you in the list?
I am 0.3 above IIF-ENG cutoff of spanish website so getting a bit nervous.
@First-Timer
You can ask your NCP (National Contact Point), many of them are very friendly. The NCPs already have the lists, even though they emphasize there may be changes. There were links posted above to their sites. In general, I recommend reading the forum, most questions were already answered...
My score for IEF chem is 0.1 above the cut off from the Spanish website. Now I am sure that I am on the A list because the UK NCP told me that I got A..........
Thanks for sharing! Another proof Spanish cut-off are accurate.
My score for IEF-ENV is just 0.1 above the Spanish cut-off score and my NCP told me that I am in the A list BUT second from the bottom of the list......He said "things might change so I cannot be sure of the outcome yet"... this is enough to keep me sleepless until the official announcement of the lists.....someone please END this nightmare....
My score for IEF-ENV is just 0.1 above the Spanish cut-off score and my NCP told me that I am in the A list BUT second from the bottom of the list......He said "things might change so I cannot be sure of the outcome yet"... this is enough to keep me sleepless until the official announcement of the lists.....someone please END this nightmare....
Now I am also very nervous after reading what EIN said!! when will the final results be posted?///
Guys, but the NCPs have been saying that all along, if they could say it was official, then we would have a list already. Still, it does not mean you will go down. From what I understood, the previous years the invitations were sent starting from 6 or 8 December and then the final list was published later on.
@kk you are an angel for taking your time to explain things to us. if they sent the letters for negotiation between 6-8th of december. When the actual negotiation starts? I am asking this because I will be on holiday from the 14th of decembers to new years eve.
@kk thanks for the positive energy
@qwt sorry for the negative energy :)
Any idea if the invitations for those in the A list are sent all at once or gradually?
Cheers!
@Eli: Relax, the negotiation is almost entirely between the host institution and the REA. You´ll get asked for papers as negotiations advances.
@Eli Don't worry, ??? is right, plus I was told at my university that last year they had negotiations in January.
@??? Do you have any idea which kind of papers are required to the researcher? I already started to work in my future (finger crossed) host institute, so it would be nice to collect what needed during the christmas break.
Another post from my side. After my first positive note, unfortunately a more critical note...
I see a lot of posters here who post great information and generally add something useful. However, there are other posters that ask questions that are answered two posts before theirs, start boasting, or trolling (stuff like: "I scored 91.5, guess I have to start looking for a job..."). Or general silly stuff, like "I hate the EU because they don't tell me the results right away!".
My suggestion is to have some moderation on this blog. Again, it's generally a very useful and informative blog, but there is some clutter from non-sense posts that lowers the readability. I'd say that someone asking for the cut-off scores, what cut-offs mean, or what the different lists mean, really adds nothing informative at this point. Also silly remarks like "why is the list not official yet", or "is 93 a good score?" and so on do not add anything.
So let's keep it clean here: maybe these posts can be deleted. Otherwise I'd advice other posters to just ignore these posts and stay on topic. We now, more or less, know the cut-off scores. People can add their scores and any info they got from their NCP's, or ask/add information about other aspects not yet discussed here.
To start the latter off, maybe it is a bit premature: but does anyone know what to expect as gross salary for an experienced researcher going to the UK? I know the guide mentions a number of 70.000 euro (without mobility allowance), but then it goes on to say that certain taxes have to be deducted from this. As most people probably know: your employer already pays taxes for you BEFORE your gross salary: so the 70.000 is probably not the gross salary that you receive. However: I have no idea how much taxes the uni pays in the UK before gross salary, and not sure how to interpret the remark in the guide. So perhaps someone who knows an experienced researcher, who is a marie curie fellow in the UK could enlighten us? Thanks!!
is 93 a good score? I am totally clueless but i got my new PI to write my grant for me, i just filled in the gaps. i want to know if i'm going to get my money now.
you need to search google for something like "uk salary oncosts" to find out the salary costs for a given salary. THe employer pays a pension contribution (in uk universities typically 10ish % I think?? maybe a bit less/more) and also some tax (national insurance). I don't know how much that is.
@teehee: c´mon! Read the post before. Your answer has been posted 1000 times. Take your time and read. Depends on the panel and type of fellowship...
lol, pretty funny that just after my post someone posts an extremely silly question :)
@ the other ief_dutch: thanks: i'll google that!
Hi guys,
some infos for all of you. Last year the winning projects received the invitation letters around middle December, and were given time until the end of January (the 22nd if I remember well) to ACCEPT the offer. Then negotiations started. The ABCDE lists were posted on the Research Portal on the 6th of January (don't ask why, but that's what happehed last year!).
Good luck to all of you!
@ief_dutch, i was told that I am going to have smth like 50K pa in UK ( experience is more then 10 years)
@ief_dutch: I paste the answer from the guy in the University.
"somewhere around £30,000 (GBP) net income per annum after the usual deductions (e.g. income tax etc)"
I think that does not include mobility, and is for 4-10 years experience.
@ief_dutch In UK salary is delivered through the PAYE system. Search for the PAYE calculator online. Have in mind the following: 1) when you come you will need a National Security Number (the university should guide a little bit through the process but it will be easy enough, 2) the first month you will get much more than the rest of the months because this will be your first job therefore you have not earned the amount of the money over the allowable amount (this will depend on when you start), it will eventually stabilize on the fixed amount the PAYE calculator will give you. Hope this helps. Cheers!!!
hi ???: great thanks for your effort!! Really nice that so many people are helping each other out here.
Well, i think that for the most pessimistic scenario, letters for invitation to negotiation will be sent in 2 weeks but we can hope before. Does anybody remenber the exact date for last year, the 8th December? It is impossible to verify from the posts of last year because it is only indicated in month (for the moment, it is still indicated 11 months ago...)
like ief_dutch, I would be also very interested in knowing the net salary for for an experienced researcher going to the UK, maybe someone who got the fellowship last year could give us an idea, even if salary will probably be hifger this year ?
@ief_dutch is right...and maybe it would be interesting to talk about how much money we would get.
I'm going to France, and am an experience researcher (between 4 and 10 years), with family and mobility allowance.
Any ideas how much the net salary is going to be approximately?
well my post arrived a little late, thank you very much ????
@qef
As I said before, last year many letters were sent on 8 December, this is a message from one of the NCPs last year "Just to say that the REA has confirmed that the invitation for negotiation has been sent on 08/12/2010 for the A list to the scientist in charge (cc contact and fellow)."
i'm not sure about the final results. But called my NCP yesterday, and she said that the official final results would be broadcasted just before christmas....
@ief_dutch, the NCP was spking about the official list (A,B,C ..) but letter to successful applicants will be sent earlier
@ief-duth: The 70000 p/a comes from 58500*1,203 (reference living allowance*UK coefficient). Then, with family you get 1000*1,203 monthly. So 4-10 years experience plus wife/kid = 70.300 + 14.400 (p/a). That´s the number without ANY deduction (fees from the university, taxes, insurance, and maybe others).
hi guys, even if no one is answering my question, I would like to tell u two important and real stuff:
On the guide for applicant is written that what the EU will give us will NOT be the gross salary of the researcher.
Example for my case: Ireland.
living 670995 euro from EU/year
gross salary researcher:51615 euro
employer pension 10323 euro
employer PRSI (social taxes...) 5500 euro
the mobility is less taxed, no pension on that only 10% of PRSI.
On the gross salary, the employee (us) has to pay the PAYE, PRSI and PENSION.
Here comes something even more interesting.
Do u know that there is an agreement between a lot of EU countries that states:
researcher who move to a different country for no more than 2 years has NOT to pay taxes.
Of course not all the taxes, for Ireland only the PAYE.
Hope this will help some of you, ask for that to the financial department of your host institute, they will probably not tell u without asking!
@dumb: I don't know exactly what papers, but I guy I know that has an IIF told me family documents and diploma were asked for. But maybe someone that already "negotiated" could answer this better.
@dumb: so in Ireland what's the net salary p/month (living + mobility)?
Hi all,
If cut-offs stay as of now, seems I would move to Spain :).
I got married in the US and my question is whether the US marriage certificate is valid to get the family allowance or I need to ask for additional documents in Spain.
Thanks!
@dumb, i tried to answer to your question, i hope you had a look at the post of last year about "recomendations for negotiation"
Oh my god, I just received a rejection letter from REA. I spent few very bad seconds before I realized it was for last year call!
Anybody, net salary (living + mobility) in UK?
can anybody tell me what would be the likely stipend for a IIF in UK after all deduction?
What I wants to know is, how does the mobility allowance work? Do they just give you the cash and let you spend it on whatever, or do you have to account for it. Does the travel have to be work travel, or can you go abroad every weekend for personal reasons?
What I wants to know is, how does the mobility allowance work? Do they just give you the cash and let you spend it on whatever, or do you have to account for it. Does the travel have to be work travel, or can you go abroad every weekend for personal reasons?
You will get about 78-84k euro in salary before deductions, after is about 60-65k euro (£51-55k).
Plus other perks like conference travel, buying a comp.
It ends up a decent amount.
I applied for an IOF. Anybody knows the average percentage of the money hold by US universities for contractual expenses?
Thanks
Hi,
Some interesting facts I want to share here for IOF applicants.
The budget has moved from 28 M to 40 M this year : increase of 43%
At the same time as you can see on the report 679 proposals are above threshold for a total of 179.4 M of money : average cost of a proposal is 26.4 K
Comparing to 2010 : 23.3 K and 2009 23.4 K.
So there is definitely a big increase in the average cost of a proposal (+13% for 2011).
The amount of proposal to be funded this year will then scale as follows : +26.5 % comparing to 2010
Again IOF only !
Lets continue a bit further for IOF-PHY, the french NCP told me 17 projects are on the "temporary" A list.
If you compare to last year 14 projects were on the A list, so 14+26.5% then 17.71...
The NCP is right, for the moment the UE have money to fund 17 projects and maybe a 18th with the .71 which remains.
To make a long story short, I think the Spanish cut-off are very accurate, because, again according the the french NCP, I m 18th on the IOF-PHY so and my score is 90.3 (i.e. 0.2 bellow the 90.5 cut-off)
To conclude, if you want to know how many projects should be funded in your panel, take the number of next year and add 26.5%.
One more thing : I have seen in this forum that people wonder what was the meaning of the threshold.
My understanding is this is useful for the UE to decide how they split the money between panels.
The money is split according to the number of above threshold proposals in the panel comparing to total above threshold proposals.
I guess this is to avoid, people submitting tons of crappy proposals in their panel to attract fundings...
@nervous dont play with us mate!
@@nervous:just the truth man! I guess these EU guys have a weird sense of humour...
@JPF from my proposal pre-approval at Stanford I know they have a mandatory 8% 'infrastructure' charge applied to post-doc fellowships sponsored by non-US government entities. From page 72 of the EC People 2011 Work programme, I understand that this can be paid from the monthly flat rate of 700 EUR * correction coefficient. Not sure how or if this is to be split between the third country host and the return host though, but if it's all for the US institution overhead then this amount is sufficient.
I've been told people at Euraxess service centres can help with admin stuff like this, and certainly the local research office at your return EU institution is there to assist with such details - e.g. in Switzerland people at Euresearch are extremely helpful and friendly.
Jeez...
I've sent a email to UK NCP to inquire my rank, and he/she has not replied me yet.
I got 89.2 in IIF-CHE, 0.6% above the spanish cut-off. My host said that it's promising but not for sure. Really frustrating for a long-time waiting...
One more question, is there any matter in your score distribution? e.g. two guys both got 90.0, but one S&T quality got 4.9 and RESEARCHER 4.2, the other just reverse. Which one they will chose?
Jeez...
I've sent a email to UK NCP to inquire my rank, and he/she has not replied me yet.
I got 89.2 in IIF-CHE, 0.6% above the spanish cut-off. My host said that it's promising but not for sure. Really frustrating for a long-time waiting...
One more question, is there any matter in your score distribution? e.g. two guys both got 90.0, but one S&T quality got 4.9 and RESEARCHER 4.2, the other just reverse. Which one they will chose?
@IIF-CHE
Hey did you host say whether 89.2 in IIF-CHE may be in the A-List coz if you are in I am definitely in.
Thanks
@IIF-CHE shangai
Hey did you host say whether 89.2 in IIF-CHE may be in the A-List coz if you are in I am definitely in.
Thanks
@IIF-CHE ind: He didn't. You got a really high score? Congratulations!
Hi Guys...Need a little help. I tried looking for an answer to my question from previous years postings but could not find a suitable reply. Please point out if u can find one. It will be really useful.
THE PROBLEM
Like many on this forum, this is my first time IIF application. I have exactly 4 years of research experience and will be submitting my PhD thesis very soon. So JUST qualifies as an 'experienced researcher' (can't stress enough on the word JUST!). I have a score of 89.8 so there is a chance that I might be in list A (according to Spanish website, I am 0.4 above the cut-offs for my panel). My score for "Researcher" is 4.7 and this being my first try at any grant application, it sounds good until here.
BUT the problem is that in the comments for negotiation, there is a negative comment regarding my lack of experience. As pointed out by the committee, they question whether I have sufficient experience and say that I lack sufficient seniority according to the definition of 'experienced researcher'.
QUESTIONS
Is anyone aware of an instance where the negotiation failed because the applicant was deemed less experienced?
Assuming that I get a call for negotiation (finger-crossed!!), any suggestions regarding what can be done to handle this questions? Past experience of someone with similar comment will be really really useful! Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
@IIF-CHE
not very high 92.2 but guess it will be enough this time as per the Spanish cut-off. Congratulation to you too hope you too make. I mean both of us.
@IIF-CHE Shanghai
not very high 92.2 but guess it will be enough this time as per the Spanish cut-off. Congratulation to you too hope you too make. I mean both of us.
@IIF-CHE ind: Thank you!
92.2% I guess it's enough.
I got a sadly 4.2 at the S&T quality:( "Lack of multidisciplinary aspects" is a major weak point for my proposal.
Finger cross for both of us...
@IIF-chem Shanghai, ya i hope so...thanks
@LessExperience:
Really don't know.
I've just defended my degree one week ago. I have 5 years of research experience (exactly 4+1, because the first year in my institute is be filled with a bunch of graduate lessons).
There's nothing on my ESR for the part "RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEGOTIATION and so on"
@LessExperience
Sorry I don't have experience with that but if you received an ESRs, it means that you are eligible for the fellowship. I would not understand that they took time to evaluate your proposal and don't follow up then.
Your RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEGOTIATION concerning your experience, in my opinion, would only concern the amount of your salary...
Moreover, I remember the case of an applicant last year who got the fellowship and who was going to defend his/her PhD
@lessexperience,
my understanding is that you can obtain a grant without PhD. Only the number of years in research counts. So you are totally eligible but they've made a "qualitative comment" on your lack of experience.
In this blog they say that the net salary for an IEF is approximately 50% of the living+mobility allowance:
This article gives a pretty much overview of the salary recieved for a marie curie fellow in UK I guess
I meant this link...Sorry for the wrong link
@ Salary
Interesting info: - All Marie Curie Researchers with a contract longer than two years are pensionable. Anyone with a contract less that two years is not pensionable…(heuuuuu that’s no fear..)
I wonder what is the future of the MC Fellows….potentially 2 years with good salary..but after the fellow go back to initial status (looking for funds etc..) it appears to me just like a temporally solution to pursue research in good condition. You will get for sure additional contacts and improve your network, publish and then…in the actual crisis situation….
@ Salary
Interesting info: - All Marie Curie Researchers with a contract longer than two years are pensionable. Anyone with a contract less that two years is not pensionable…(heuuuuu that’s no fear..)
I wonder what is the future of the MC Fellows….potentially 2 years with good salary..but after the fellow go back to initial status (looking for funds etc..) it appears to me just like a temporally solution to pursue research in good condition. You will get for sure additional contacts and improve your network, publish and then…in the actual crisis situation….
For those asking about salary, this is my situation. I started IEF in May 2011, have less than 10 years research experience, and am now based in Germany. After all deductions (tax, compulsory health insurance, other charges), I get just over €2500 a month. This will be different depending on what country you are in and what taxes you are required to pay. You will also get a higher amount if you have 10+ years of experience.
What is important to note (and what I didn't realise from the Guide for Applicants), is that a part of the Living Allowance is used to cover costs from the university side, (including things like insurance etc). It does make a difference, not a huge amount but it is something to be aware of.
The mobility allowance is paid directly with the research fellow's portion of the living allowance into your bank account. 2500 net a month is a decent wage (for me at least, I'm not supporting a family) and is separate from other contributions towards equipment and travel that come with the fellowship.
Hope this helps, and congratulations to everyone who scored so well :-)
@skymonkey, I hope I get the fellowship. I have moved from the UK to Germany. If I understood correctly the max I can get is only 2500 euros (after taxes and deductions) a month including the living allowances, is it correct?
@skymonkey thanks for your post, what are the other contributions? how can you spend them?
@Eli Sort of. You should bear in mind that my IEF is from the previous year. What seems to have happened in the past is that the value of the living allowance increases slightly from year to year, so it may be that the IEF value has increased slightly this year. Also, the amount you are entitled to varies slightly depending on where you are moving to Germany from. I moved from Ireland, so as you are moving from the UK to Germany it should be the same. Also, if you can prove that you have more than 10 years research experience the living allowance increases considerably. From what I remember from my programme if you had less than 10 years experience there was a difference of about 17,000 euros between what a researcher with less than 10 years experience received, and what one with more than 10 got. This is a substantial jump, so it is definitely to your advantage if you can prove this!
@ief to italy I'm not entirely sure what the other contributions are or can be spent on. It's all a bit general purpose, which is actually good as it means the rules can be quite flexible. I was able to buy a new computer for example, and there is money to cover conference travel.
You are also entitled to a 2000 euro career exploratory allowance. You can spend this on whatever you want. When it comes available however seems to be a bit vague. My NCP told me I could use it immediately but my university research office said I will only get it at the end of the fellowship. So it might depend on your individual research office.
HTH
A married/4-10 years IEF to the UK should have around 3300 GBP month net.
You guys can check it for yourselves here: http://listentotaxman.com/index.php
The net salary in GBP (one EUR = 0.859460153 GBP as of today) is the gross ((58500+12000)*1.203*0.859460153 = 72892 GBP) minus your income tax minus the national insurance deduction MINUS the national insurance deduction that your employer (the university) pays.
if the gross is 73000, net is definitely over 3500 a month.
@tester You have to remember that the employer NI contributions will be deducted as well. If you use that online UK tax calculator then it works out about 3300 GBP a month. Which is great for people going to Britain! Obviously the exact net sum will vary depending on what country you go to. My example is what you can expect with my profile if you move to Germany. Everyone should be able to find a reliable tax calculator online for the country they are moving to, plug in the figures and get a good idea of what their net income will be.
@tester: the problem is that the living allowance pays for all the contributions connected with your contract. In other words, it does not only pay for your taxes (income tax and national insurance), but it also pays for the taxes that your employer have to pay for hiring you. In other words, your living allowance also pays for the national insurance contribution charged to the host institution.
@skymonkey: 3300 GBP/month would be a dream!
BTW: does anyone know whether the MC grant is incompatible with additional scholarships that finance the same research project?
@Waiting Yes 3300GBP/month sounds amazing. I hope that online tax calculator is accurate and that there aren't other deductions that the uni will have to take out. I'm not an expert in these things :-)
@skymonkey: well since the grant has a contribution to overheads I think the university is not in a good position to demand additional contributions from your salary. BTW, the 3300 GBP figure is rather close to what UKRO reports here (page 10, last slide):
http://www.ukro.ac.uk/mariecurie/schemes_orgs/Docu
The UKRO estimate of net yearly salary appears to be
(29250+12000)*1.203 = around 3550 GBP/month.
This is an overestimate because it does not tax the mobility allowance at all. Assuming a worst case scenario of 50% taxes paid on mobility allowance one gets
(29250+6000)*1.203 = around 3036 GBP/month.
So, yes: the net for IEF in UK will be anything from 3036 to 3550 GBP/month :-)
Do you guys know if the Host Organizations in the US always take those 34% for contractual expenses? 34% is a lot...
Do you guys know if the Host Organizations in the US always take those 34% for contractual expenses? 34% is a lot...
@waiting Good news for people moving to the UK :-)
@Waiting
The stipend in the slides is not the estimated net salary. When you apply for the IEF, you can choose whether you want to be payed a fixed amount (stipend), or you want a regular contract. That is what it is.
The best way to know more or less the net salary is to either contact the NCP or ask somebody from last year.
@Nothing yes, it might just be a coincidence that the UKRO stipend estimate is very close to what one would expect after all deductions are applied. I will wait for that negotiation letter before contacting the NCP (cross fingers, hoping for accuracy of Spanish thresholds ;-) )
Any surprises for anyone yet from any NCP? All in accordance with Spanish Cutoffs?
Anything contradictory result for Spanish cutoff list yet?
Hi, I clicked on the link for the spanish cut-off website but got an empty page... I got 89.3 in LIF-IIF... is that enough?
I have sent an email to UK NCP but no response yet.
@bamfield: please check the above post carefully, then you'll find out that the spanish page had been removed a few days ago.
but someone had saved it: http://www.imagesocket.com/photos/guest/2357074
2 bamfield.
IEF
CAR 88.2
CHE 89.1 LIF 89.2
ECO 85.3 MAT 87.0
ENG 88.0 PHY 88.7
ENV 89.4 SOC 89.0
IIF
CHE 88.6 LIF 88.7
ECO 89.0 MAT 87.5
ENG 89.4 PHY 88.0
ENV 90.1 SOC 93.1
IOF
CHE 89.4 LIF 90.7
ECO 93.2 MAT 85.6
ENG 88.9 PHY 90.5
ENV 91.0 SOC 90.9
2 IIF-CHE Shanghai and qwt: Thanks for the info!
why is the page removed? perhaps because it was not accurate? I wonder...
@bamfield
They were not authorised by the Commission to post it, it seems.
My husband (experience 10+ years) got a contract 2 days ago for uk, he will get about 50 000 GBP per year, BUT the contract is for 3 years. Have no idea how they organised that, but we are quite happy with this solution.
My husband (experience 10+ years) got a contract 2 days ago for uk, he will get about 50 000 GBP per year, BUT the contract is for 3 years. Have no idea how they organised that, but we are quite happy with this solution.
Hi all. I've just called my NCP in Hungary, Budapest about the Spanish list. I was planning to go from Hungary to Finland with a Marie Curie IEF in the LIF panel. I got 89.2%, which is the cut-off value, but I got on the 'A' list. So I can confirm the accuracy of the Spanish 'estimates'. I'm the 176. in the IEF-LIF panel. If you have higher score then 89.2 you can be sure that you will be on the 'A' list. If you have exactly 89.2 which is the cut-off in this year you might get funded. This will be decided on budgetary and individual bases in these borderline cases. But I'm not sure how they do it exactly - I was told this on the phone.
I should suggest all of you to call your NCPs in your country personally and ask for your results and ranks. They have the list in the electronic system. MY NCP was really nice and I haven't asked for my rank and grouping on the list she give the information right away. All they need is the acronym of your proposal.
If you read all the comments in this forum from next year you will find one-two post confirming that some of the project with the exact cut-off value will get funded some will not! For example there was this fellow posting that he received 89.1% - which was the cut-off in IEF-LIF in 2010 - but got to List-A.
Last year the Spanish guys have also posted their 'estimates' and everybody in this forum got extremely excited like in this year that are they true or false.
What I can tell you for sure is that 89.2% is on the bottom of List-A in the IEF-LIF panel!
Hi friends!
Does anybody knows if do we have to present the monthly flat rate to receive the flat allowance, or just they included in the salary without ask for receipt?
Hi friends!
Does anybody knows if do we have to present the monthly flat rate to receive the flat allowance, or just they included in the salary without ask for receipt?
@from uk
I got the same problem.
It got the score above the Spanish cut-off in IEF-LIF panel. While I also got another postdoc offer.
Can I suspend the fellowship or split it?
Does anybody have such experience?
Many thanks.
Hi,
Yes, you can wait up to one year before starting the MC.
Hi,
Yes, you can wait up to one year before starting the MC.
@Peura Thanks! Really useful info!
Wondering if any news from IIF camp? Anybody IIF? Any news/updates/anything?
I am IIF PHY 88.4...Just above the spanish cutoffs.
@Peura Thanks! Really useful info!
Wondering if any news from IIF camp? Anybody IIF? Any news/updates/anything?
I am IIF PHY 88.4...Just above the spanish cutoffs.
@from uk perhaps the host institution decided to hire your husband for one additional year. Is the 50k/year the net? (should be). I am trying to figure out the net for a 4-10 years in the UK. Thanks!
@waiting I think the 50 K/year is before tax actually and I suspect they splited the money that EU gives for three years with lower salary rather then for two years with high salary. I have no idea how that was possible...
I just got a response from UK NCP, which said "it looks as though the application will be successful."
Be lucky:)
@IIF-CHE Shanghai Who did you contact at UK NCP for IIF? I am getting confused in their divisions. there are 18 thematic network..For example, Which one should I contact for PHY...Regional or ENV or ICT etc etc.
@IIF-CHE Shanghai Also, did you write an email or gave them a call?
@IIF-CHE Shanghai Also, did you write an email or gave them a call?
@SpainRulezzz: When I writen the email I don't know their divisions at all. I just sent an email to mariecurie-uk@bbsrc.ac.uk, which is the only address you can found in the UK NCP's webpage.
its clear that the EU salary costs thing is a bit screwed up. If you take the fellowship in the UK you get 1.2 ish the standard amount, in Germany you get 0.98 ish. The salary costs in the Uk are just the employers national insurance contribution (12 % ish?) whereas in germany the employer's mandatory costs are roughly 20 %. The cost of living is comparable in the two countries in my opinion.
i guess the exchange rate is massively helping those going to the UK, but to be getting £33k a year NET when your EPSRC funded (and likely identically qualified) colleages will be getting less than that gross, is ridiculous.
basically they should just tweak the ratios a bit and fund more projects (or turn up the ratio for germany). Can you guess where my fellowship is going to be? ;)
IIF-CHE Shanghai, we have to contact mobility NCP for MCF. Trying to call but no one is picking up. Will update if I have any further news.
@IIF-CHE Shanghai what is your score in chemistry panel
I just received the invitation letter for negotiation !
Spanish cut-off were right !
Do you ?
@ Happy Day..
which panel and fellowship?
@Happy Day
Congrats!! More info please!
IEF or IIF or IOF?
Panel?
Rank?
@IIF-CHE Shanghai and other going to the UK or willing to contact the NCP in the UK. There is only one NCP for Marie Curie Actions that you can call. At least according to the EU FP7 web page. Her name is MS. Emma Carey, here is the link where you can send e-mails directly from the page or phone her on the given number:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=FP7NCP&PASSVA
Others looking for NCPs to contact here is the search link for the CORDIS search page:
http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ncp_en.html
You should chose your country then in the in the NCP function chose 'Mobility' because the MC-Actions belongs to 'FP7-PEOPLE' program which you will find under, and only in the Mobility. In some countries there are more then one NCPs how handle these Mobility tasks. Good luck.
PS: If you give your phone number they will call you back or write you a mail with a let's say 'official' notice about what group your application belongs to. This is what I've received today from my NCP from Hungary.
IEF-LIF
I hope this is not a bad joke from happy day ... not funny if it is. Other people received a letter ?
@Happy Day
Do you honestly think people are going to believe you got the email to negotiate already. Lets try to keep this forum for serious and genuine questions and comments.
Another relevant info what I gained from the NCPs Office is that invitation letters to the scientists in charge to enter negotiation phase - as well as with CC to the coordinator - will continuously sent from 5.December till mid-January. The Bloody ABC Llist with rankings will be published by latest 15.December on the CORDIS web page.
Here:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
So everybody keep your fingers crossed and check the updates.
Another relevant info what I gained from the NCPs Office is that invitation letters to the scientists in charge to enter negotiation phase - as well as with CC to the coordinator - will continuously sent from 5.December till mid-January. The Bloody ABC Llist with rankings will be published by latest 15.December on the CORDIS web page.
Here:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
So everybody keep your fingers crossed and check the updates.
from 5th december till mid-january ? They are going to send letters one by one or what...
I guess they will start sending invitation letters from the highest scores. Maybe Happy days scored very high ?
I still am doubting that Happy Days is genuine...
sounds like a false alarm ...
I don't know what they do or what not, but it seems quite slow. This is the info what I gained from the NCP. The letter submission is for all IIF, IEF and IOF.
the indicative funding decisions will be published on the Participant Portal after the 28.12.2011 for IEF and for IOF and IIF at the beginning of January.
@IOF-US
As already posted many times, the list with the grades (ABCD) will be posted on the Participnt Portal in late December. The invitation letters for negotiation, however, will be sent individually to successful applicants before that date. Last year, for example, they started sending them on Dec 6
Does anybody else got a invitation letter? Only Happy Day?? True or false?
Yeah ! I received the letter too ! IEF-LIF 94.5
@Ayoos
Thanks, I know. Just trying to point out that all IEF letters should be sent by 28.12, IOF and IIF will take longer.
Until then, try to relax.
No-one of the IEF SOC panel receive the letter?? I'm in that panel with 91.3, so higher of the Spanish cut-off...
@weird Yes, I agree that on paper it looks unfair. But then on the other hand, speaking as an IEF fellow currently in Germany, I think the cost of living in Germany is cheaper than most big cities in the UK (non-scientific comparisons). Swings and roundabouts! Whereabouts in Germany are you going?
@weird Also, just for reiteration as a IEF fellow with less than 10 years experience in Germany I get a little over 30K pa NET, not gross, which you mention in your post. So the disparity between UK and Germany isn't as big as you might think. Hopefully.
Jesus!!! I have read the earlier posts... is it true they are sending the invitation already???
I am in panel IEF-Lif and have 91,9 points, now I'm getting very nervous....
@weird I am currently living in the UK with an IEF; unfortunately what seems to be a lot in the first place is not. To start with, the exchange rate is decided by the university, and in my case, was fixed at 1.30 EUR/GBP, which is far too high considering current rates in most banks. After that you have around 12% in employers NI and an extra 12% for your employee NI. Then income tax 20% (and 40% for the remainder, as you cross the second tier threshold). This applied to all allowances (living and mobility). After that you are left with around 3k a month, but then you have to pay the substantially higher cost of living in the UK: 1 bedroom flat 1200-1500/month; Council Tax = 100/month, transport in London 100-150/month. I could keep going, but I can say that despite it being a good salary it is not like I open champaign bottles every day. Curiously, in Spain the equivalent figure seems to get higher: around 280EUR/month (after taxes) plus the allowances, which remain untaxed (at least in the case of a friend).
@weird Sorry, that was 2800 EUR for Spain! : P
@skymonkey.
thanks. I am actually already in Germany, remaining where I've already been for a short time :) I was hoping to keep/roughly increase my salary and have the 'mobility allowance' paid on top which should be a welcome increase. Do you have to pay tax on the mobility allowance? I was going to investigate it I could get it tax free. (it cost me a LOT of money to move here and the university went back on its commitment to pay for it, unfortunately, so so far the move has been financially ruinous if scientifically rewarding).
FWIW I find my rent + bills a bit cheaper (compared to UK) food is about the same but massively lower quality (German supermarkets are like something from the 1970s) and electronics, cars, bikes, etc. are all much, much more expensive.
@RL
In London that salary is about doable, yes. I was living in London before I came to Germany. However 1200-1500 is expensive for a 1 bedroom flat for pretty much all of the UK (you can find cheaper in London, if you don't mind living near drug dealers etc). Before I moved to London I was renting a 2-bed house in a nice city in the UK for less than £700 a month - so it does depend a lot on where you live :)
@weird Yes, I do believe that most people would prefer to live in a rather non-precarious manner (drug-free neighbourhood, well communicated, etc.) So I don't think the adjustment factors between countries reflecting that are unfair. :)
has anybody else got a invitation letter?
nope. no letters.
@ kk, thanks for replying, you are more reliable than that happy day guy. by the way I think you are also in the IEF-Lif panel, what was your score?
@ Eli
I am in IEF SOC, 0.8 above the cut-off so also nervous. Don't even dare to think about the amount of allowances etc ;-)
@kk, yes i understand you very well... Some guys above are trying already to eat the burger without even killing the cow!!!
CHE-IOF. No letter here. But I guess the IEF's will be sent first.
@eli
here a list A, 91,1, in IEF-LIF without letter still, and NCP told me around 15th December...so don't worry
has anybody forom IEF-ENG got the letter?
still no letter for IEF-ENV...91.6
No letter 97% IEF-ENV
As for flat allowance, is it included in the final salary at the indicated in the guide (700 without family, 1000 with) or they pay the real flat expenses regarding flat monthly rate? thanks
@IOF-US
Sorry, I thought you were implying we had to wait until late December to know whether or not we would be invited to negotiate, while in reality most people will (hopefully) receive the invitation letter well before that date. Sorry if I sounded nervous, I am actually as relaxed as someone waiting for a potentially life-changing letter can be :-)
@JPR: what's your score man? I got 90.1 and really really nervous, just 0.7 above the damn spanish cut-off. Do you know of any other guys in the same panel and anything about the ranking at all?
@CHE-IOF
I got 95.0.
There is a big difference between 89.4 and 90.1.
I'm sure you got it. ;)
@CHE-IOF
Sorry man. I don't know anyone else applying in our panel, nor more information than the rest...
@JPR: thanks. Well, I guess that with 95 the difference is even bigger! Congratulations. Where are you going by the way? I am going to California...
Big apple. I've been here at NYU for some months now.
I wish you all the best in the sunshine state. The most relaxed people I know here are from there.
Going to the UK! I got 91.9. Should be good enough!!! Gotta learn how to drink warm beer!
@monroe I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "flat allowance". It sounds like the mobility allowance to me (although from your posts it sometimes sounds like you think there is an allowance that pays for a flat/apartment). Regardless of what you think it is, both allowances due to you (your portion of the Living Allowance + the mobility allowance) are paid directly into your account. You are free to spend it as you see fit. You could spend it on tequila and hookers and the REA wouldn't be able to do a thing about it :-)
@ayoos
no problem, I guess I didn't explain myself that clearly in my first post. I kept it short as I was trying to get some work done in between checking this site every other minute :)
good luck!
@ayoos
no problem, I guess I didn't explain myself that clearly in my first post. I kept it short as I was trying to get some work done in between checking this site every other minute :)
good luck!
@monroe Ah...do you maybe mean the contribution towards moving to your host country? (Forgive me for being a bit hazy on this..it was 7 months ago :). You get a flat-rate contribution to your relocation costs in your first month at your host institution. If I remember correctly, I think you get a similar payment at the end of the fellowship to help you relocate to your original country.
@skymonkey, did you have to provide any documents to your host institution about how money you spent for relocation (tickets, home move service)? or they just gave the certain ammount of money without asking how much it really cost you
@skymonkey, did you have to provide any documents to your host institution about how money you spent for relocation (tickets, home move service)? or they just gave the certain ammount of money without asking how much it really cost you
@olga No, it's a standard payment towards any costs and doesn't need to be vouched against receipts or other documentation. Everyone gets it :-)
@olga No, it's a standard payment towards any costs and doesn't need to be vouched against receipts or other documentation. Everyone gets it :-)
It appears that certain individuals like to stir it up on this very useful forum, by making very ridiculous claims i.e. that they have received offers to negotiate etc. I'm willing to bet that these people have been unsuccessful this year and want to stir it up for the rest of the waiting candidates.
In the tradition of this forum i.e. providing useful advice; my recommendation is that instead of being a useless tool, you try and hone your writing skills to make your application more eloquent and potentially successful for next year. Alternatively, leave science and pursue a career in comedy - you'll find losers of your own ilk waiting to greet you with open arms, ready to wallow in your misery of what could have been.
In the meantime, let us folks who have actually attained scores above the presumptive threshold focus on issues that are relevant to our futures as MC fellows.
Best of luck for next year.
Don't let your ass hit the door on the way out. ;)
@Taqman: I don't see how your hateful comment brings something helpful for all of us, it is just spaming the forum.
Useless flow of hate.
Allow me to clarify. I'm not being hateful, I'm simply trying to establish some consistency in the forum. What is the point of trolls giving people false hope and no moderation to stem the panic induced by such morons?
I'm not saying that people who did not score highly are losers. Far from it. Let me be clear about that. I also wish to apologise to any "aspiring comedians" who peruse this hub. I'm sorry if I offended your humble profession...
However, I find it difficult to envisage that anyone who has done well this year and thus, still retains a significant emotional investment in this process (MC application) and moreover, who positively contributes to this forum (!) could possibly gain comedic value from trolling.
I have a low tolerance of these people as they deliberately provide useless, misleading and non-constructive information that sends the (already anxious) posters here into a pointless and underwhelming spiral of trying to finding out the truth from the lies.
Useless flow of hate? I think not. Maybe you should re-evaluate your perception on what being agreeable vs non-agreeable actually is. Thanks for your feedback.
Allow me to clarify. I'm not being hateful, I'm simply trying to establish some consistency in the forum. What is the point of trolls giving people false hope and no moderation to stem the panic induced by such morons?
I'm not saying that people who did not score highly are losers. Far from it. Let me be clear about that. I also wish to apologise to any "aspiring comedians" who peruse this hub. I'm sorry if I offended your humble profession...
However, I find it difficult to envisage that anyone who has done well this year and thus, still retains a significant emotional investment in this process (MC application) and moreover, who positively contributes to this forum (!) could possibly gain comedic value from trolling.
I have a low tolerance of these people as they deliberately provide useless, misleading and non-constructive information that sends the (already anxious) posters here into a pointless and underwhelming spiral of trying to finding out the truth from the lies.
Useless flow of hate? I think not. Maybe you should re-evaluate your perception on what being agreeable vs non-agreeable actually is. Thanks for your feedback.
Well said TaqMan.
We should leave this form full of constructive ideas and tips, not full junk comments.
You will get your comments when you get them.
Got anxiety? Talk to a therapist.
Salary? Better than 99.5% of anyone else in the world.
And STOP calling the NCP or MC. You will get your results or whatever else that is you need in due time.
Gentlemen, tomorrow is another day.
A strong coffee and a look to the forum.
There is nothing like the early morning routines.
Good luck to everybody!
Strong points of my application IIF-LIF 90.0 (Over the cut-off but not for much)
Multidisciplinary (bioinformatics, proteomics, molecular and cell biology, and use of different plant models).
European collaborations already established and functioning
A detailed outreach plan, with all activities you can imagine including facebook -Do you wannabe my friend?- Youtube channels - See the intrepid fellow approaching to his tomato-, twitter - Hot topic, Fellow is going to cut his veins-, and the usual meetings, talks, press notes and so on.
It is important to be specific about how the host and Europe are going to benefit from you. In my case, expertise in microscopy, tons of molecular tools and antibodies that I´m bringing with me, and a project in which I will be in charge of the direction of European PhD. students.
Weaknesses.
Implementation of the interface between University and the external companies (It ss an agricultural project).
Commercial application will take more than two years...
Of course! (I thought that was good so Europe can continue with the project once I´m gone, but that comment was placed on the negative side).
The bloody Ghantt (misspelled for sure) chart with contingency plans.
I explained the plans through the proposal but it didn´t work.
Hope it helps...
Well said
IIF-SOC 93.1 just on the cut-off point. any chance to be on the A list?
So it's another round of waiting game...
Saw your post early so the UK NCP did mail you back ?
There is very well organised forum for MC http://mariecuries.com/forum/index.php#c1 that can be used to post helpful information and that can be easily found by other users, as the forum has structure, besides it requires registration, so there will be less trolls and people like TaqMan can relax. I propose, people who already posted here their comments from ERS, please transfer them into this forum (simply by copy/paste). Thanx in advance
There is very well organised forum for MC http://mariecuries.com/forum/index.php#c1 that can be used to post helpful information and that can be easily found by other users, as the forum has structure, besides it requires registration, so there will be less trolls and people like TaqMan can relax. I propose, people who already posted here their comments from ERS, please transfer them into this forum (simply by copy/paste). Thanx in advance
@IIF-CHE ind,
yes, I got a positive response from Emma Carey of UK NCP. Your score is higher than me, so you are in too:)
@IIF-CHE ind,
yes, I got a positive response from Emma Carey of UK NCP. Your score is higher than me, so you are in too:)
@Olga, Thanks for sharing such a useful site:)
@IIF-CHE Shanghai
Thank you very much and Congrats. Did she say anything about your ranking?
@IIF-CHE Shanghai
May I know what is ur score in IIF CHE.
@IIF-CHE ind, No, she didn't.
@JR, it's not high: 89.2%.
I have a question regarding the negotiations.. Is the invitation to negotiation equal to getting the grant? Or are there actually porposals that do not recieve funding although they were selected to negotiation? I was reading the instructions on the negitation process and there they write everywhere that the invitation to negotiations do not guarantee a grant approval, but does it really happen that projects get rejected at this phase? Anybody who knows?
@ IEF to Denmark
I think there have been cases in the past where institutions had objections against the EU contract (especially UK Universities when it comes to IOF fellowships). So it can happen that the project fails at this stage, however it's not about the actual proposal at this stage anymore....
for others: there have been questions about salaries
current fellow in the UK: net salary 3200 GBP (don't pay into pension)
has anybody received an invitation letter yet?
which level of experience? since the salaries differ a lot...
@lerock
what is your experience? Also, what do you mean by "don't pay into pension"?
Thanks
@IIF-CHE Shanghai
my score 92.7, till now no news for me
My host institute wrote to me today about receiving official confirmation that I'm on the "A" list, so they are getting in touch with people! In my understanding this is the "invitation letter", isn't it?
The invitation letter should be sent by e-mail to you and your host institute.
4-10 years experience
i decided to opt-out for the universities pension scheme, i.e. higher salary but also no pension in the future.....
@skymonkey
thanks, really you provided me light in this process...
waiting to the F------ letter, good luck
@lerock
Thanks! Do you have any ideas how much you would have to pay if you opted for the pension scheme?
UK University employees join the ISS pension scheme which is a VERY GOOD DEAL. If there is any chance you will stay in the UK for your career than join it, probably should even if you aren't too. you contribute about 6 % of your salary and the employer does about 10 % I think?? perhaps more. IT IS FREE MONEY. (although actually the employer contribution will be taken from your entire marie curie amount).
Does anyone know how secure the funding under FP7 is? Presumably it has already been assigned and locked into the programme, but I couldn't find it spelled out on the website. Just saying, as all eyes are on the sustainability of the European project and Merkozy this week. (Fingers crossed!)
@ lerock
Thanks! Thats what I thought as well.. So if one gets an invitation letter, then it is pretty much a done deal. So then I will just keep waiting for that letter to (hopefully) come.
@lerock
that's interesting because I get £2800 net salary as a fellow in the UK (no pension as well)... i think my mobility allowance is subject to NI contribution
@JM, good question, I have the same worries... and it is difficult to say how secure the funding is. But i think it would be alright for two reasons (at least I try to secure myself with these two reasons..):
- the budget for the FP7 programme is already done, and even if there is an unpexpected event, they should follow through on their commitment
- the framework programme for 2013-2020 is already planned (budget...). In general you don't plan something if you think there'll be a problem (even if i agree that the FP8 has been probably planned a long time ago before the troubles of the moment)
http://ec.europa.eu/research/horizon2020/index_en.
And even if the money "Euro" is not in use after December (I don't think so but it is one of the possible scenario ...), EU were funded research project before 2001 and the Euro...
Wait and see but i think they are some reasons to be confident
Queries on Redress
Earlier posts on Redress contained misinformation: possibly trolls.
Anyhow, here are two links with information on redress. they state that for all the FP7 calls:
"2.105 requests for redress received, only 30 led to a re-evaluation"
"In only three cases did the re-evaluation eventually lead to the given proposal being funded"
"For each call, between 5-10% of applicants send in a redress complaint"
"The vast majority simply question the scientific judgement of the experts"
"Or they simply supply further information to “clarify” their proposals"
"1-2% of complaints received are eventually revaluated"
Does anybody receive the negotiation letter?????
@ trower, not yet
only jokers did
@qef, that's not true, I got the negotiation letter (nice wax seal) delivered along with a bunch of flowers and a bottle of champagne.
@ everybody
In 2007 I got the email to enter into negotiation (IOF) on December 20th.
Last august, I applied for another Marie Curie (IEF-ENV 91.7) and I didn't get anything yet.
no letter here (IEF-LIF)!
people already doing a IEF competition here are reporting salaries from 2800 to 3000 GBP/month. It is unclear whether these differences are because family status or because of the specifics of their contract. I am starting to think that the differences between the salaries reported here might be connected also to the EUR/GBP change that is associated to the fund: pay attention to this nontrivial detail because it can be worth quite some money. For example, if I recall correctly, an IEF_UK_2010 here reported an exchange rate of 1.3 EUR for 1 GBP: a theft compared to the real exchange rate last year worth 10% of the net salary!!
None. No letter here (IEF-LIF). But I'd prefer a bottle of champagne and strawberries when finally receiving it ;)
does anybody know what the salary for a fellow in germany is?
@ afg
Many thanks for sharing this information!
@ afg
Many thanks for sharing this information!
I got this year 83.5 in IEF ENG.. is there any chances??? :(
No invitation letter so far...
IOF-CHE 95.0
No letter here as well.
They should be sent next week I guess.
I would request a suggestion from forum members; I am expecting an invitation to negotiate (IEF score 93.1). My host university is in UK. However, I have currently another offer from a top university in US. In terms of future career, would it advisable to have postdoc experience in US as compared to the MC fellowship (salary is not an issue).
@IEF-CHE
In Chemistry? What sub-field? Academic/Industrial Career?
@Rock CTRL+F "Germany" :-) Info is there
@IEF-CHE
I have been told that the MC on a CV is considered VERY prestigeous ...
It is much easier to get a Post Doc in the US than in the EU. Maybe UK first and US later? After another 2 years MC post doc you will also be more experienced than you are now!
But my advice is to follow your heart! Which job would make you most happy?!
No negotiation letter yet for IEF SOC (score 99.2, so pretty confident.
As for the euro issue, here's my thoughts, though I'm no economist, and am willing to be corrected by someone who is. Firstly, the FP7 money is already signed over, and member states are contractually obliged to hand it over, even if they left the EU tomorrow. FP8 is a different matter, though that's not our problem right now.
This then leaves the euro collapsing. If this happens, then the default EU currency is likely to be a new euro based on the economies of Germany, France, the Netherlands and other 'strong' countries. This currency is likely to trade at quite a high rate of exchange relative to sterling, the dollar and other currencies (including any new national currencies in former euro zone countries). Given that the national adjustment rates are fixed for the 2011 Work Programme, this is likely to work out either better or the same, depending on whether you're in the new euro zone or not.
Of course, this is a very selfish way of looking at things, and personally I hope the euro survives for everyone's sake. But I don't think Marie Curie people need to panic if Merkozy fail (again).
@Londore can you please share where we can find the Workprogramme conversion rates?
I find that I made a mistake in Form A4, I have chosen the "Fixed-amount Fellowship" by mistake. Is it possible to change it to an employment contract(type A). The salary is much lower for the "Fixed-amount Fellowship". Anyone help?
@CHE-IIF to UK: Organic chemistry, Academic career.
@IEF-LIFE to UK: Thanks for your practical advise. How would be the other way around i.e -one year in US and then MC IEF for 1-2 years? I suppose there is an option to start IEF till 1 year after sign of contract.
To tell you the truth; the heart is bent slightly on US; having already worked in EU, i just feel that the opportunities for cutting-edge research and overall work environ is much more exciting in US. I know this wouldn't be an easy decision....
@CHE-IIF to UK: Organic chemistry, Academic career.
@IEF-LIFE to UK: Thanks for your practical advise. How would be the other way around i.e -one year in US and then MC IEF for 1-2 years? I suppose there is an option to start IEF till 1 year after sign of contract.
To tell you the truth; the heart is bent slightly on US; having already worked in EU, i just feel that the opportunities for cutting-edge research and overall work environ is much more exciting in US. I know this wouldn't be an easy decision....
@IEF-CHE Stay in the UK. You'll be working 8am-10pm every day in the states, just putting in face-time. But if that's what you want, then go for it. I'm Org. Chem as well, and can't wait to get out of this system of slave labor. Then again, for OC in the UK, you are stuck with Camb. or Oxford, if you want to get into academia outside of the UK. Flip a coin!
@IEF-CHE That´s true .. I know that you can wait for up to 1 year before you have to start the MC. You could of course do 1 year in the US and then see how it pans out ... people, research, supervisor, city .. you never know what it will be like before you try it. if is it good you can stay and if not then you still have the MC waiting for you ... i guess 1 year US and 1 (or 2) years would not be enough to get some good work done?! Unless you know all the techniques and the field? Don´t make life too gard for yourself :o)
I have been working in different EU countries and I think that there are very big differences concerning the mentality and working environment... Some countries are very tough and in others people have long breaks and eat cakes all the time ... I guess you can not generalise it.
US: I have been talking to many Post Docs working in the US - again, it depends on the group and they also say that there are big difference between the east and the west coast ...
i would personally chose the place where I can get the best supervision and learn ... Will you be able to participate conferences in the US? This is not a problem with the MC ... Will you be able to take a lot of courses in the US? Not a problem with MC .. I would check this out in advance ...
But again .. listen to your heart ...
@CHE-IIF to UK: refreshing to hear your forthright comments.
I have also heard a lot about unnatural work timings/pressure is states, but I think it might also depend upon PI. The choice is really between doing exciting science (with added pressures !) or quality science with quality of life. I also wonder as to what extent is it possible to diverge from the research proposal mentioned in MC application in case the fellow wants to try some other new exciting ideas. Are they pretty strict with their periodic appraisals ?
@IEF-LIFE to UK- "i would personally chose the place where I can get the best supervision and learn" -put a lot of things in perspective for me! Sometimes, it is too difficult to conjure such simple thoughts. This discussion has helped a lot in clearing up my mind. There is still some time to take a call. I guess, in the end I might as well go for 1 year wait.
@IEF-LIFE to UK - There is so much competitions and getting grants is not easy that we sometimes tend to forget that we actually decided to do "all of this" because it is fun! or at least should be most of the times ....
I can work very independently but I still want a good supervisor - it is hard to do it on your own and not very effective ... I want a supervisor who has time to give me feedback and answer my e-mails (!) and I want some good collaborators/collegues. I want to go to many conferences (to learn!) and meet new people. And when I get all of this I can then - in return - get some nice work done ... Very easy in theory ;-)
Where in the US and where in the UK will you be?
I guess you have to sign the grant agreement soon, so you can postpone starting the fellowship, but can't postpone the decision...
I would go for the better supervisor and the more promising/exciting project.
@IEF-CHE - see above!
@IEF-CHE
go to the USA. it is a totally different environment and will you return back to europe the usa stamp on you will open many doors. post-doc in europe is good, but the usa stamp will always count more.
@IEF-CHE - come to the UK so that we can go for Marie Curie drinks in a brit pub :o)
@qef @Lodore
Cheers for replies. I suspect that you are right and the money has been formally committed. Short of major European financial collapse, which may yet see countries rescinding on their obligations and turn entire pan-European cooperation on its head, the funding won't be cut. Let's hope that doesn't happen for reasons far more important than MC funding.
@IEF-LIFE to UK: Agree, the "fun aspect" sadly tends to get buried in today's hyper scientific culture ! Indeed a healthy equation with supervisor is top on my list as well. MC drinks would be very much on agenda :D
US- Chicago; UK- Scotland.
@moki, mina: thanks for the suggestions, i hope the heart wins !
@IEF-LIFE to UK: Agree, the "fun aspect" sadly tends to get buried in today's hyper scientific culture ! Indeed a healthy equation with supervisor is top on my list as well. MC drinks would be very much on agenda :D
US- Chicago; UK- Scotland.
@moki, mina: thanks for the suggestions, i hope the heart wins !
@IEF-LIFE to UK
How much conference funding, and course funding does the MC provide?
maybe the big day ...
Last year at least some letters were sent on 8/12, let's see about today :-)
IEF-CHEM to UK
You made a mistake on form A... me too (sort of). I selected 4-10 years experience, I actually have 11 but I looked at the salary and thought I couldnt possibly justify the salary of the 10 year experience person (Euro 80000, crazy). But my host will be in Norway and I will lose 50% of this salary in taxes, National Insurance etc, and the correction factor is 125% for Norway (only 5% higher than UK). Norway is 3x cost of living in UK, so I think I may be bankrupt if I go...
Sorry for the long story but I asked my local research support office, and apparently you can change form A (and the host also has to change Form A) once grant agreement starts. Good luck. I am going to change my experience to 11 years (it might sound like I am being greedy with money but consider if I dont, I leave my well paid post in UK and go to Norway, and I lose 50% of my salary, and I am left with less than the amount each month just for renting a house for my family - it is 3000 Euro a month for rent alone!).
All this assumes I get an invitation. 92.5% IEF ENV - should be OK.
@ DB
Thanks a lot for your very useful information!
Wish we can get the invitation and are smooth-going in changing Form A.
@Che
It is 800 Euro/month. Check out the handbook - you can find all the info there!
@DB Re: selecting 4-10 years experience rather than the 11 you have, you will be fine. If you get called the invitation letter (fingers crossed!) email your Project Officer immediately to let them know (their name and email address is in the invitation to negotiate). The project officer will just get you to forward documentary proof of your experience (in the form of past work contracts, certified letters from the university etc). It will be straightforward to get your correct salary, but because of the documentation involved, make sure you get the ball rolling soon as it may take time to get the relevant papers from your previous employers.
HTH
Thanks skymonkey, you have put my mind at ease! With the huge salary I might even be able to afford a few fish in northern Norway. This is good news for IEF-CHEM to UK too. Best of luck for when the invites come out.
DB
guys this is too heavy!!!!!! I can't wait!!!
IEF-LIF 90.1
guys this is too heavy!!!!!! I can't wait!!!
IEF-LIF 90.1
@ mimmolimmo, I know it very well... I very nervous!!
IEF-Lif 91,9
mimmolimmo, Eli I completely agree: this is nerve-racking!
Toady over! keep waiting tomorrow!
@ IEF_UK (?)
Find the Work Programme via the link below. However, if your name signals your intentions, I can save you the hassle: the adjustment rate for the UK is 120%.
Does anybody knows which percentage of the MC researcher's stipend is hold by a host institution (CNRS) in France?
last chance for this week !! come one !
Ok Dear people,
Another long day for us! Waiting, Waiting, Waiting..........!
@ Peura and @ Eli thanks for sharing, I am with you!
Come on guys let's not think about that for few hours and set up some exps....
See u
Waiting again... I suppose no-one was told by the NCPs when they would send the invites?
reply (2 days ago) from German NCP?
We ask for your kind understanding that as the official results have not yet been published we are not in a position to inform you in detail about the ranking or how far you may be from the threshold. However, as far as we are informed letters to those recommended for funding are scheduled to be sent out within the next one or two weeks. The indicative funding decision is expected to be published on the participant portal in the beginning of January 2012.
@qwt
Thanks! So it could be even end of next week.....
Somebody asked about the situation a few comments that who would they chose if the resulting percentages would be equal, e.g., two participants get the same 88% and that's the cut-off score. They have a rank called 'Priority in case of ex aequo' which goes like this:
1. Researcher
2. Training
3. S&T Quality
4. Impact
5. Implementation
The applicant who has higher score for 'Researcher' gets higher in the rank, if that equals too, they check the 'Training' scores and so on.
guys, the negotiation letter will arrive from December 15th
@qwt, thanks for sharing
@luca, who tell you that ? your NCP ?
personally, i don't think NCPs know exatly when letters will be sent because each NCPs have a different answer. So i think letters can be sent anytime from now.
Hi all!
I got 96 IOF. Extra EU host is in the USA. EU host in UK
I have couple of questions about family. I am NOT married. But I and my girlfriend are very close to this decision.
Scenario 1: What happen if I will got married during the (eventual) negotiation?
Scenario 2: instead, what happen if we will married during the fellowship? (I mean when we will be in the USA)
-Do you think they will consider me with family? and so with all the legal 'rights' for this condition? (for instance, the possibility to have US VISA also for my future housewife, and the extra of 300 €)
Is there anybody in the same situation? or someone that can give me indication about it?
Thanx!
@luca74: I think in the guide for applicants is clear that your family situation is intended at the deadline for submission. So, if you get married 2 days after deadline you should not be entitled of the fanily status. This is what I understand but I may be wrong, of course. With regards to visa issue, instead, if you are married your wife can ask a J2 visa as your dependent/spouse and she will not have any problem.
@luca74, I was in the same situation than you for the call of last year (2010) and i am now married. You 've to be married before the deadline, otherwise you are not considered as a familly, even if you get married before the sign the grant aggrement.
in the guide for applicant, a famaily is:
experienced researcher with family obligations. In this context family is
defined as persons linked to the researcher by (i) marriage, or (ii) a relationship with
equivalent status to a marriage recognised by the national legislation of the country of the
host organisation or of the nationality of the researcher; or (iii) dependent children who
are actually being maintained by the researcher.
@che.IOF @qef Thank you guys!
The main problem is for the US VISA. For money (300€ more) I can understand that the role of 'you have to be married before the submission deadline' works and could be good in order to avoid people who make the most of the situation.
But, if I understood well from the kind indication of @cheIOF, we will NOT have any problem if we decide to get married with more calm, when we will be in the USA (maybe in Vegas :-) ). That is very good news since I was (and I am) very worried about the eventuality to create lot of trouble to my girlfriend.
Thank you again!
If I will have more info about (e.g. from my UK office) I share it in the blog
Cheers :-)
I got married a few weeks after the deadline so I just put down that I was married and will just keep quiet and hope nobody notices.
Hi all,
That is so frustrating. I got married 11 days after the deadline and I mentioned this in Part B of my proposal. It's a shame they don't have some flexibility here. I will travel with my wife and the relocation will be expensive. The wedding was obviously planned for almost 1 year before this. Oh well...
Better wait to see if I get an invitation to negotiate first before jumping the gun and worrying about the details.I'm right on the estimated threshold for IOF-ENV.
Thanks to everyone for the useful information
Piew! Euro is saved (for now)!
I am going to the UK if I ever get the invitation letter... But after today's EU summit it looks like it would be more appropriate to go there with an IOF :-)
Does anyone think the Britain's decision in yesterday's EU summit will affect the MC fellowships? Particularly those going to Britain on IIF
Certainly hope not!
I have the same question as IIF-br. I am in the same boat. I have asked my future supervisor at Harvard for an extension to reply to thre offer as I am hoping my MCF to come through. Therefore getting a bit nervous (borderline paranoid).
I have the same question as IIF-br. I am in the same boat. I have asked my future supervisor at Harvard for an extension to reply to thre offer as I am hoping my MCF to come through. Therefore getting a bit nervous (borderline paranoid).
Guys, really, the UK has not left the EU (even though the media went a bit crazy), it just said no to a new revision of the treaty, which means a new fiscal pact will go ahead without them. There is nothing to worry about regarding the MCs.
Here is my guess: A-list people will get a letter next Wednesdau (14/12) ;)
Folks, even if Britain *did* leave the EU it wouldn't matter. FP7 funding is a bit like the Eurovision, in that it covers a broad range of countries in the European Economic Area (EEA) that aren't in the EU. Norway and Switzerland are the obvious examples, though it's notable that even Israel is included in the funding calls too. And you may be sure that Whitehall civil servants will be *quite* determined to see that the UK's European contributions can still come back home in the form of research grants.
Thanks Lodore for your comment, it helps a bit with the stress.
To support your comment, i found that in the guide:
"In general all EU member states and countries associated to the 7th Framework Programme can participate in all calls, although in some calls other countries must be included in order to form an eligible consortium."
"The Associated countries are:
Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, the Faroe Islands, FYROM, Iceland, Israel, Liechtenstein, Montenegro, Norway, Serbia, Switzerland, Turkey."
So even the fact that UK is associated to the fp7 is a guarantee for future funding
This might be the week of invitation?
Today is two weeks after the ESRs came out... Come on REA :-)
no news from NCPs ...?
what are those people in EC doing? So slowly....
Thanks to KK and Lodore for your comments
So news, hope good news for most of you.
I'm in the panel SOC for the 2011 IEF. My score is 91.3
Today I called my NCP - Italy - and she kindly said to me that the spanish cut-offs are the OFFICIAL ones!!! They were not allowed to spread them around, but that numbers are the right ones!!!! So, everyone above the Spanish cut-offs is in the A-List.
For the SOC panel of the IEF. I'm the 62nd out of the 7 projects funded this year. This means that everyone above 89 is in the A List.
The letters will be sent sometimes starting from this week until mid-January!
Hope this can help
@trowel
Thank you for the information. I hope it is true. So it looks like that I will be in the A list according to the Spanish cut-offs...
waiting for negotiation lett...
Does anyone know whether you can get materinity leave pay as a MC fellow?
Does this depend on the contract you sign?
Does anyone know whether you can get materinity leave pay as a MC fellow?
Does this depend on the contract you sign?
@trowel
thanks for the update - how many projects did they say would be founded in IEF SOC?
@kk and @ qwt
Sorry guys the total funded project in the SOC panel for the IEF are 97! I was missing a 9!!!
@trowel
Thanks a lot! This is good news because when I called some time ago (10 days ago?!) they said there were 95 project on the A-list :-) Also your points and place make a lot of sense. I am only wondering why they are not sending out mails, I don't dare to celebrate without it.
@ Maternity leave
Many of us could be interested in this point. In the guide for applicants they write: "If the fellow wants to suspend the execution of the project for personal, family or professional reasons unforeseen at the time of the signature of the grant agreement, a request for suspension should be submitted to the REA. The REA will not object to any requests for suspension when the fellow is entitled to maternity/parental leave established either by national law or internal rules of the host organisation. In all other cases, the REA's approval of such requests will depend on the justifications provided and the impact expected on the execution of the project"
In the Cambridge University web site ( http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/offices/research/ec/FAQ ) they also answer to the same question:
"Q. Are maternity costs an eligible cost on EC grants?
A. The costs of paying the researcher during periods of parental leave may be an eligible cost but each case is reviewed on an individual basis by the EC. The maximum the EC will reimburse is the maternity pay we are legally bound to pay the staff member, less the amount we are refunded for statutory pay by the Government. The Commission must be informed as soon as a member of staff employed on an EC grant informs the Department they are pregnant. In certain cases an extension to the grant may be requested and approved by the EC (an official contract amendment must be processed). Please contact your Administrator at the Research Office for further advice."
Have a good "waiting" day :)
Hi everyone! I just found this website... and feel less lonely now!:)
I didn't read the whole thread (so many comments!) but does anyone know what the cut-off is for IEF LIF?... my score is 89.4, and I'm dying with stress!
When can we expect to get the final decision emails?...
Thanks a lot!
Have a great day guys, and good luck to all of us! :)
Zahra
@IEF LIF France
According to the Spanish site the cut-off is 89.2 so you should be lucky! I guess we are all waiting and wondering when the official invitations to negotiate will be sent out. Any day now...?
@ kk
Are you serious??! Ah! Now I don't know if it's better to have no idea at all, or to have an idea- but not sure!hahaha!
You're right, we're all on the same boat. I'm so impatient. Worse thing is that I'm in Japan now, so with the time difference, I spend the whole day for it to be daytime in Europe!!! Any day now...
Thanks a lot, I feel a bit more optimistic, now! ;)
to all Eurosceptics,
In my opinion, EU will be stronger after this period of instability, members will be more coordinated and also the role of some countries (UK) will be unfortunatelly demonstrated. As to research, there is no way for the survivance for Europe, invest in science and compete with US and Asia. Let's hope and keep researching!
the research in Europe will suffer
Does anybody know how many people have applied this year for the IEF SOC? thank you!
Does anybody know how many people have applied this year for the IEF SOC? thank you!
@topajo we are going off topic here, but to support research all the European Union needs to do is to turn on the printing machine. That's how fiat money operates. Not sure this model is sustainable though.
@Maria
Thanks for the info on materinty leave - does not sound very promising to me?! But I guess we just need to take it as it comes ...
I have heard today from the NCP that the official list will be published 3 January. Hopefully by that time the letters have been long sent out :-)
I just want to ask people in this forum...Do you feel that the cut-off scores published in the Spanish Site will hold good? Is there a chance that the cut-off score may fluctuate within a certain range...especially IIF-CHE panel? I am 2.1 points above the Spanish cut-off
@Fingercrossed no one of us is working at the REA. We are not completely sure that the SCO (Spanish Cut-Off) are or will be ok. It seems, speaking with some NCP, that they are. That's all.
@come on
Thanks but I never expected anyone to be working with the REA. But I thought since most of the people in the forum seems well informed they must have researched a bit regarding the SCO. By research i meant they must have validate that cut-off scores of the last year published by the Spanish site with that of the official cut-off and must have compared the values and came up with any degree of fluctuation. As for me since this the first time I am submitting the research proposal I have no idea whether such cut-off were published by the Spanish site well in advance last year. I though people who had submitted last year and had again submitted this year may have some idea. Thanks
@fingercrossed
I submitted my proposal for the second time this year and I had the occasion to follow comments posted here last year. I remembered last year that the spanish site gave first estimate of cutoff scores that were slighly different from the official (from 0.1 to 0.4). Then this spanish website corrected the cutoff scores the day when letters for negotiation have been sent. I can confirm that the final SCO publish last year were the good one since i had the exact score than the SCO and i was first on the reserve list (bad luck..)
This year the spanish website published SCO very soon but the SCOs seem more reliable that their first estimates of last year. However, it could still change a bit for people very close to the SCO... For instance for IEF-SOC, some guys reported here this morning that 95 projets were in the A list first and now the number would be 97. But if you are 2.1 point above the SCO, it "should" be ok.
@qef @fingerscrossed
Just to add that what we wrote about IEF SOC only confirmed the Spanish cut-off. I think with 2.1 above the cut-off you should not be worried!
@fingerscrossed The forum has all of the posts from last year, so you can read exactly what the situation was (although it is time consuming to do this). FWIW, last year the Spanish site published what they said were "estimated" cut-offs. And they were good estimates, although if memory serves there were small differences with the official scores.
This year, the Spanish site published what they said were the cut-offs (a big difference, as last year they explicitly said they were estimates). In discussions with NCPs, there seems to be a reasonable hope that the Spanish cut-offs this year are in fact the official cut-offs. However, no one can say for sure until the list is published, by which time we will all know and then the issue as to whether the Spanish cut-offs are official will be redundant.
I think this is what @come on was getting at: speculation as to the Spanish cut-offs is pretty pointless as official confirmation will only come when the REA publishes the cut-offs. I agree. The speculation is just going to drive you mad. My advice (which is hard to do) is to try and just be patient. It will probably be this week!
I got negotiation just now. IEF chem 89.2
@qef
Thank you very much for your detail post. I hope that you too make it. So as per the available datas the cut-off may vary to a maximum of +0.4 or so I guess. However, since the number of project to be funded this year are more, the cut-off may decrease too. So the degree of fluctuation may vary between +/- 0.1~0.4? I hope that your words do come true. Thanks and wishing you all the very best. Godbless you
100% score in IEF SOC, invitation to start negotiations just received
Ohhhhhh exciting, seems they have started then!
@kk and @skymonkey
Thank you very much for your post. All the best. Seems like they have started sending the invitation as per some of the post. Godbless you all.
Thanks
Woo hoo!!!
Just received the invitation! 92.0 in IEF-PHY.
only invitations for IEF CHEM and SOC for the moment ?
got invitation letter 20 mins ago, 88.8
got the letter. IEF LIV 89.9.
got invitation letter 25 mins ago, IEF-ENV 91.6!!
IEF-LIF 89.9 invitation to negotiate!! :)
seems only ief for the moment, IOF be patient !
Well, if this is going to happen as with the ESRs, tomorrow should be IOF day, and the day after that IIF.
Just curious, do they ask you for anything in particular in the invitation or it is just a formal letter that the EU will start negotiations with the host?
I just got the invitation as well! Now I can relax.. :))
They ask for a bunch of documents, I will have to read the 25-page guidance notes to find out exactly what... There is also an online tool where the negotiations are made, I guess something similar to the proposal submission tool. The deadline for the submission of all the paperwork is 11/01/2012.
@MR
Thanks Bunch of documents means what all??
Got 92.2 in IEF Life, but no information about negotiation yet
Did you get the invitation by email or by post ?
Did you get the invitation by email or by post ?
Got it!!! :-)))) IEF SOC 89.8
So happy! Good Luck!!
Just received the invitation to negotiate!
Yessssssss! Just got the invitation letter to negotiate (IEF-LIF 89.2). I'm relaxing with a fine glass of Glenfiddich single malt scotch. All the best
IEF ENV 92.0 - just received my invitation! Can relax too...
@kk
Congrats...can you post about the required documents later...I am happy for you have been following your post for days now. Congrats again
Yes just got invitation to negotiate :). I will celebrate today with lot of drinks :)
Yes just got invitation to negotiate :). I will celebrate today with lot of drinks :)
I just received the negotiation letter. IEF-PHY 91.3
Good luck to all of you
can someone please upload the guide (pdf) that came along with the negotiation? so that the "waiting" members can start preparing for documents asap. this will really help!
Hi Guys. I have just received the invitation to negotiate.
Going through the finer details....
All the best to all of you !!
Hi guys, I've just received the invitation to negotiate: IEF-ENG 91.3.
Good luck to everybody!
Hey guys!!
Just received the negotation letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wish to all of you the same joy!!!!!
I also received the negotiations letter :)
90,3 IEF LIF
I also received the negotation invitation (5 mins ago): IEF-PHY 89.2
Got it as well!!! Thank you all for your support and sharing. Wish you all the best....I am going to get wasted now :p
negotiation letter arrived (IEF-LIF) good luck guys!
Got it!!!!!!!
Just received the invitation to negotiate!!!! :)
IEF LIF 89.4... sounds like the Spanish estimations are accurate!
Good luck to everyone!
Just received the invitation to negotiate!!!! :)
IEF LIF 89.4... sounds like the Spanish estimations are accurate!
Good luck to everyone!
IOF is out now as well. Just received mine - IOF LIF 95.00
yay!
Just received the invitation. I am in IOF-ENV and got 93.9!
IEF CAR 91.1 invitation to negotiate received this morning!
Just received mine as well
IOF-ENV 95.0, I'm in!!
My wife just got her negotiation letter for her IOF proposal, so I guess they're sending those out as well.
Seems like IIF is always the last :((
Cant wait! Hope that spanish cut-offs hold for IIF too!!
JUST RECEIVED IIF-LIF 91,5!!!!!!!!!! DRINKS TODAY!
received the invitation letter :)
got it too!
IEF-LIF 91.8 IN!!!!!!!!!!!
Just letter to negotiate for IIF-CHE....I have very very happy.THanks guys. Godbless you all.
Just got it!
IIF-LIF 89,3
Good luck to all, and thanks for your support!
Argh! There are two mistakes in my negotiation mandate. How annoying!
Dear all just now I got invitation for the negotiation
Panel Chemistry, IIF score 90.60 Spanish cut off is dam right
Congratulation to those how got the letter of invitation
Thank you very to all of u
Just got mine!!! Yippee!!
IIF-ENG 89.8
Congrats to all who received the invitation!
And best of luck to other waiting in the wings!!!
Invitation letter recieved! :-)
Score 94.1
Congrats to all of you!! Now it is time to paaarty!!!
Invitation letter recieved! :-)
Score 94.1
Congrats to all of you!! Now it is time to paaarty!!!
Just got mine too!
IOF-ENV 92.6
All the best to you all!!! cheers
IOF ENV 91.4 Invitation letter received!
What is aproximately the percentage of B list funded?
What is aproximately the percentage of B list funded?
Letter received too, but in the last page of the invitation letter the estimation of the EU financial contribution seems quite wrong: around 140'000€ instead of more than 200'000€!!! Someone else got the same error? Or, am I missing something?
I have received the invitation, too :-) (IOF-LIF 93.9).
Good luck to everybody!!! And thanks for this forum!
@IOF-CANDADA-UK
I have exactly the same issue. I have gone through the maths and the figure they have quoted is EXACTLY the estimated EU contribution for the outgoing phase only (ie the first two years of this three year grant).
Not entirely sure what to think! Mine has also stated that I need to prove I have more than 10 years of experience, but I only have 4 (and stated so on the forms!)
@IOF_Canada_UK
yea mine says 209'xxx
You might have asked for fixed amount funding instead of contract.
Don't fret, I think you can change that in the negotiation phase.
which pannels ?
just got the invitation. 90.1!!!
Got invitation 90.1 IEF-LIF
Happiness!
@ iof-canada uk and ph
Looking back over the thread, it appears that both of us are IOF-ENV
thanx
Any IOF PHY yet ??
@PH
where do mention that you need to prove more than 10yr experience? In the "Recommendations from the expert evaluators:" or somewhere else?
@ALL
Guys, in the ESR there were 4 comments in "Recommendations from the expert evaluators" but in the invitation letter, this section has no comments. Am I missing something? Does this mean that I dont need to worry about preparing replies to those points raised earlier?
@ @PH
You are correct, it says this in point 7, Recommnedations from the expert evaluators:
"The applicant must demonstrate s/he has more than 10 years of full time equivalent research experience at the time of the relevant deadline for submission of proposals"
Like yourself, I had four or so comments in the ESR that are not mentioned here. Most interesting.
@PH I have the same problem in my invitation letter. It does not say anything about the need to prove the more than 10yr of experience and I stated that I have 11 in my proposal
Just got the invitation letter for IIF Phy (92,2).
Good luck to everybody!
PHY panel. I checked, It's exactly as PH stated, they calculated only the first 2 years (outgoing phase)
@iif-chem, nope I didn't choose the fixed amount.
I'm not worried too much about the estimated contribution, they stated that the exact amount will be defined later. I'm worried about how these mistakes will reflect on the A-list threshold...
@ IOF_Canada_UK
Good to know that it is not just me! Perhaps it is just an oddity of whatever automated system produces these letters... after all, it does state that the exact contribution will be defined during the negotiations. It still seems a bit bizarre to me however.
IOF-PHY ? what score ?
IOF-PHY ? what score ?
@IOF-PHY and IOF-canada-uk
Got the same oddity as you guys. (IOF-LIF pannel). Can't say I'm not worried though. I sure hope you're right! But don't you think this could just mean that the have only approved for a 24 month period of your 36 month project?
@PH and IOF-canada-uk
Sorry, my above message was meant for PH, not IOF-PHY.
@ IOF-FRA-US
No, my letter says that the duration of the project is 36 months.
I guess we need to start negotiation to know what's going on.
@ IOF-FRA-US
I know that it is odd, and it is something I would like to get to the bottom of tomorrow. However...
Bear in mind the main aim of the IOF scheme is for participants to go outside the EU, get skills, and bring them back into the EU.
Thus, if you had only been granted a 24 month project the costing would be based around 12 months at the outgoing host followed by 12 months at the return host.
In my case (and I believe most cases) the contributions from the EU for a year at the outgoing host and a year at the return host are NOT the same. Thus it is ONLY possible that the figure quoted in Section 8 of Annex 1 represents the two years at my outgoing host.
@ IOF-FRA-US
No, my letter says that the duration of the project is 36 months.
I guess we need to start negotiation to know what's going on.
Oh yeah.... and as Pere says, point 6 outlines the duration of the project!
Mine says 185000, what's next??
Got an offer letter for negotiation. Thank you each and every one for your comments and advice its was of great help. I wish the very best for all of you.
Thanks to this forum and each and every one of you all.
I am so so happy
@PH and Pere
Yeah, point 6 in mine is 36 months as well... I do agree that, when applying the correction factors, US and France's (in my case) would have to be the exact same percentage in order for the numbers to fit. Plus, my total amount does not seem to include overheads, which looks strange.
However, the sentence in the letter does say "179XXX for a period of up to 36 months". That's what got me thinking that they might be saying "we know you want to work for 36 months, but we're only paying for the 24 most expensive ones, so you can either work for only 24, spread the money out, or find additional funding"... does that sound crazy?
Guys, I am IOF-ENV and I have the same problem. Only 171000, so basically only the salary included and they say that I have to show that I have more than 10 yrs of experience, which I don't have and I did not write in the A form. Don't know what to think, probably it is a mistake of the automatic something. I am almost sure I did not ask for a fixed.
Guys, I am IOF-ENV and I have the same problem. Only 171000, so basically only the salary included and they say that I have to show that I have more than 10 yrs of experience, which I don't have and I did not write in the A form. Don't know what to think, probably it is a mistake of the automatic something. I am almost sure I did not ask for a fixed.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that I do not have the "10 years of experience" problem.
Every IOF in this forum which has indicated anything about the funding amount has reported a problem. Is there any IOF out there who does not share this problem?
negation letter said "The European Union financial contribution of your proposal is estimated to be 209033,40€ for a period of up to 24 months."
my my friend told me that if you go to UK, the salary is very low. almost half? anyone has any idea?
I got the invitation for the negotiation. IIF-PHY score is 90.4. Spanish cut off is right!! Thank you everyone!!
I got the letter! two indications included to be provided, one big step more! congratz to all!
that's very strange. I also have a budget that is much lower than I expected. The budget for a 24 months project is 85 kEuros. that seems wrong.
The REA said that it was just a typo in the letter. They confirmed the right amount :-)
@swx Don't worry, you won't go hungry. It isn't low compared to the prestigious Junior Research Fellowships at Oxbridge or most post-docs. It boils down to about 2.8 grand post-tax per month I understand.
and that's GBP not EUR
One more report of the 'only abroad is funded' issue:
Also got invitation letter, IOF-ENG 90.2, 36 months total with 24 abroad (US). Amount in 'EU financial contribution' is ~179'000 EUR, which exactly corresponds to my budget (stipend*CC + mobility*CC + training + overhead*CC) for the two years abroad. No idea about financing for the third year back in the EU, will call NCP/return host research office tomorrow to check.
@IOF-Canada-UK
Great! Just to be sure, is that info you got from an REA person? And now they confirmed that you will get a higher amount, which corresponds to what you expected?
Is anyone above the Spanish cutoff got the invitation letter yet?
I got 89.2 for IEF-LIFE right at the Spanish cutoff and Peura above at 89.2 got the invitation but I got nothing yet.
@IOF-FRA-US
I wrote an email to the project officer indicated in the last page of the negotiation letter, and they answered giving the correct amount
Congrats to all who have received invitation letters, mine also included an estimated EU contribution lower than I calculated, but I'm sure this is a error and nothing to worry about.
I was hoping somebody could give me advice on tax treaties between the UK and Canada. I've been led to believe the tax treaty between the US-UK means fellows who stay in the US for less than 24 months benefit from tax exemptions. Is this the same for UK-Canada for Marie Curie fellows?
Just got my invitation letter, IOF-ENG 93. Got the same 'only abroad is funded' issue: for 36 months but the estimated EU contribution is said to be just 170,000 Euros.
Also it demands over 10 years research experience. Does anyone know if PhD study in the UK counts as research experience? If so, I may just have 10 years and 1 month.
Will check with my uni research officer tomorrow.
Thanks for all you guys sharing the information here!
Hi guys.
I also got the invitation letter and with the same mistake. In my case the funding should be over 200k (30 months) and it is stated around 120k...
Let's hope this is a mistake.
I got my invitation letter.
96% IOF-SOC. UK (European host) and USA (outgoing host).
What exactly do I have to do now? Which is the next step? and the second?
Thanx!
m
I got the letter too. Good luck guys!
@JPR
In my invitation letter, it is stated that "the EU financial contribution of your proposal" is estimated to be around 210 thousands Eur for a period of up to 24 months.
@JPR
In my invitation letter, it is stated that "the EU financial contribution of your proposal" is estimated to be around 210,000 Eur for a period of up to 24 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZCvwflkdoU
useful for future.
Is the ranking and A/B lists already announced somewhere?
@IOF-Canada-UK
@svi
the same happened with me (IOF-ENV, 91.0), they estimate funding apparently only for the outgoing phase. I'm sure this will become clear during negotiation. Anyone else not able to access the NEF facility? Says I'm not authorised...
@iof-canada I asked about NEF access last year and this is the response from my REA Project Officer:
"Only the coordinator receives access rights to NEF, but the fellow can introduce data on his behalf and start the negotiation if the coordinator allows him/her. Nevertheless, please let me remind you that only the coordinator shall validate the introduced data. "
@skymonkey
Thanks for the info, I'll see how it goes
Did anyone of your coordinators receive the NEF invitation?
@IEF_UK
Yes, mine did (IEF-PHY)
Hi guys
Do you know what kind of documents we need for the negotiation?
Thanks
following up on the 'only abroad is funded' issue in IOFs - a letter to the project officer at REA solved it and I received a corrected invitation letter with the full amount (outgoing + return) instead of only the amount for the outgoing phase.
Now an important question remains - how to deal with exchange rate risks? I'd love to hear how other IOFs are handling the possibility that EUR goes down with respect to the currency of the outgoing country (if it goes up, of course, nobody will complain :).
I have now, following an email to my project officer, also received a corrected invitation document with costs updated to reflect all three years. Frustratingly, however, this new document still incorrectly states that I need to show that I have ten years of experience!
@ wolf
I am fairly sure that the transfer of money from the EU, through the host institutions, and finally into our bank accounts will follow pre-defined rules. As such, I do not imagine that we will be able to do much/anything to deal with exchange rate risks except cross our fingers!
@wolf
Me too, seems it was just a copy-paste error, no problems thankfully!
@PH and iof canada
I also received the corrected letter.
Good luck to everybody with the negotiation
@PH and iof canada
I also received the corrected letter.
Good luck to everybody with the negotiation
Yes, a new invitation letter just arrived with the correct amount to cover all 3 years.
So, good luck to everyone!
Amongst all of the paperwork associated with these grants I managed to miss the change in guidelines that occurred for the 2011 program, which states: "The mobility allowance is no longer linked to the physical transnational mobility of the researcher."
As such, I have just "gained" an extra 10 000 EUR that I was not expecting in mobility allowance for the year that I will be back "home" in the UK.
I thought I would post this here in case anyone else was flummoxed by the maths leading to the figure quoted in the "invitation to negotiate."
@PH Regarding having to prove that you have 10yrs experience, I wonder if your situation is the same as mine last year.
- I don't have 10 yrs experience and stated so in Part A
- My reviewers recommended I demonstrate 10 yrs experience
The time span of my research career was 11 years, but as I took a break from research during this time, I could only attest to 8 years proper experience. The reviewers recommendations were actually made with my benefit in mind, namely I should demonstrate 10 years experience as it would mean that I would get more money :-)
My project officer also brought this up with me, saying it would be to my advantage. But sadly I couldn't and had to (honestly) take the salary for less than 10yrs experience.
I'm posting this in case you think that your fellowship is contingent on proving you have 10yrs experience. It's not. In any case, my project officer stated that reviewers recommendations are not binding. Basically, if you get the letter to negotiate nothing will stop you getting the fellowship :-)
In case you were worried!
Does any one know whether mobility allowance will be subjected to tax????
@Robert I guess it depends on the country. I found somewhere a presentation about MC taxation in Ireland. If I remember correctly, it said that the mobility did not have to be taxed. If you find some info about this please post it here. I am particularly interested in the UK taxation scheme.
I have received a generic e-mail from my project officer stating that my host would shortly receive the login details for NEF and there is no need of sending any documents at this stage. However, I am wondering if at some point of time they would also ask me a proof of my PhD/4-10 y experience etc. Can some of the forum members shed some light?
@IEF_UK, I will be also going to UK. I will be do my project at Oxford. I got the info that Mobility allowance will be subjected to tax. According to this the gross salaray with 4-10 years experience will be 56,400 sterling after employer NI. Again this will be subjected to income tax and NI.
@ Robert
That is pretty much the same salary I calculated for the UK portion of my IOF.
I calculated this using the publicly available salary scales of a couple of Universities. Some of these (including Oxford) show both the "Gross salary" and the "total cost to the University."
£56400 is a massive salary, and far ahead of other postdoctoral researchers (the scale for NERC fellows straight out of PhD starts around £32000 normally, I believe).
This calculator:
http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
will allow you to calculate your take-home earnings after tax and national insurance. For a gross salary of £56400 the net salary is £39 321 (£3275 per month) - a generous salary even if you end up living in London.
@IEF-CHE As far as I was aware it is the host institute who verifies your PhD. I was asked by my host institute for copies of my PhD diploma. They may have sent these off to the REA with the rest of their own documentation via the NEF, I don't know. My point is that you won't have to send anything directly to the REA (if my experience is anything to go by). Everything goes through the host.
As for proving 4-10yrs experience, I don't think this is required. As far as I know, you only need to provide documentation if you are claiming the higher salary for someone with more than 10 years experience.
@skymonkey- thanks for this information.
Do you also have any idea if the "person" doing the actual negotiation at host institute is the scientist-in charge or some officer of the EU grants division of host university. I am curious because my Prof. seems to be very busy person and he has indicated that it might be some other official who would handle the NEF.
Did anyone already start the negotiation? We still haven't received the NEF instructions!
Guys, I was told by my contact that this year there will be no differences between lab-based and non-lab-based projects, so alla the money fot the lab work will come from the 800 euros *36 months. Do you know if this money get taxed or not?
My supervisor has not yet received the NEF instructions too. Does he must contact someone? Maybe the Project Officer?
@IEF_CHE_Ita
First the scientist in charge needs to register, look into the guidance notes.
@IEF-CHE I'm not really aware of what goes on during the negotiations phase, as the fellow typically plays no part :-) However, I don't think it is your mentor/lab leader who does the negotiations, rather someone from the uni research office. In Part A of the application you are asked to give the names of people from your host institute who are authorised to sign the grant agreement with the REA. These are the people who enter into the negotiations.
To be honest, I think "negotiations" implies a level of discussion that doesn't really happen in most cases. Once the process has begun it is generally v straightforward. I think it's something like:
1. People from host university supply an interest bearing bank account number where the grant monies will be transferred.
2. Preferred start date for the project is supplied.
3. Any supporting documentation is supplied (this includes the Part B of your application).
Then project officer takes everything and sends it to the REA finance committee for final signoff. Once that happens, they generate the grant agreement and the host institute signs it. After which you (the fellow) begin your new life from the agreed start date.
It is a painless process and generally (from my experience anyway) completely stress free :-)
@skymonkey thanks, your reassuring words have considerably reduced my anxiety!
On the subject of start date: I am going to opt for an "open" one as I have another commitment for one year. I am wondering that in this case, is it necessary to give an exact date and even if one is given- would it possible to change it later.
To all those worrying about the missing NEF invitation: they have been experiencing technical problems. The deadline for completing the negotiation will most likely be postponed to the end of January.
Maybe I'm too late for asking this...Could I have some hope? (88,4 IEF 2011 Soc).
Has anyone under spanish cut-off received an invitation for negotiation, or it was completely accurate?
Let me get this straight.
- We go home with the (Living Allowance + Mobility Allowance) - taxes/insurance
- The Participation Expenses are for conferences, courses, etc.
-Management and Overhead Contribution is for the University, this we don't see.
Is that correct? If this is correct, I'm going to a lot of conferences!!!
For the negotiation, what should be done by the Fellow?
For IIF without return phase.
For the negotiation, what should be done by the Fellow?
For IIF without return phase.
I would like to start working under the fellowship in March. Does anybody knows how complicated it may be to start this soon?
the coordinator has to send the gpf already signed?
IEF lists published
sorry!!!! will be in january! so, forget about it for a couple of weeks and enjoy the holidays
@Che You don't get all of the Living Allowance. Part of it covers university contributions like national insurance etc. Varies from country to country. More info higher in the forum post timeline
@JPR You can start in March even if the grant agreement has not been signed. However, the uni will have to agree to cover your salary etc until the agreement is signed. Once it is signed it will be backdated to the March start date and the uni will be repaid out of the project money. Ask your Project Officer for more details.
@Che You don't get all of the Living Allowance. Part of it covers university contributions like national insurance etc. Varies from country to country. More info higher in the forum post timeline
@JPR You can start in March even if the grant agreement has not been signed. However, the uni will have to agree to cover your salary etc until the agreement is signed. Once it is signed it will be backdated to the March start date and the uni will be repaid out of the project money. Ask your Project Officer for more details.
Received the invitation letter for my IEF...contacted the EU officier for a question. I do not understand, my EU officier asked me to refine the outreach section while the revisors listed it among my strengths....does it makes any sense? please give me a hint....
@Gio: maybe refine means just "make it shorter"!
Does anybody have experience with Marie Curie taxation in Sweden??
I found just one source where they say they tax 52% both living AND mobility allowance.
Is that right????
Hi guys! I was wondering what happens if you're on IOF and the scientist in charge moves from the host institution during the outgoing phase. Did someone hear about such case? Thanks!
@ moving
take a look at the MC Guide "1.7.4 Stays away from the host organisation's premises" page 17.
As a general rule, the project must take place at the host organisation premises. However, in some cases, stays away may be justified as part of collaborations or as part of the training.
The responsible REA project officer should be informed of any period of stay away from the host organisation's premises which exceeds one month. In any case, fellows may not stay more than 30% of the duration of the fellowship away from the host organisation's premises unless such stays have been explicitly provided for in the original proposal and in the grant agreement.
@ moving
Btw, I was a on a IOF 3 yrs ago (USA). I did move a lot with no problems but my main host institution remained the same throughout the outgoing phase.
I hope it helps
@Tomo78
Do you remember the approximate percentage of the stipend taken by the US host?
Hi all,
Did you start filing all the data on the NEF tool for the negotiation??
My coordinator was able to access the tool but he does not see our IEF proposal in the project list. :-( What does it means?
@ JPR
They money will be managed by an EU institution. In my case Italy was in charge of the management. For the outgoing phase I just transferred a lump of money (lab money+overheads) to the US. You will be bargaining for the overheads. In my case, Oregon State University, I managed to set 10% but they usually ask 40%.
@IEF_ITA: NEF is associated to the mail address. Make sure that your coordinator logged in with the exact same email address that appears in the invitation to negotiation. My coordinator for example has more than one email address...
@Tomo78: sorry, can you explain better? If I understand correctly, if the outgoing phase is 12 months, you send 800*12=9600 euros for lab cost and 700*12=8400euros for managment and overheads to US institution. BUT, what is 10%? 10% of what?
@Tomo78
I didn't know I could negotiate that.
Ufff... any pointers for the negotiation?
Thanks in advance
@ iof-CHE
Each University has its own way to take care of this issue. As I said I transferred a lump of money (24*800+overheads) and opened an University account. However, when I did my MC (2008-2010), overheads were different. EU fixed 10% of eligible costs (you can download the old guide 2007 MC). So I told them that the overheads where constrained by the grant and they agreed on 10%. But they generally get 40%. This is way I'm telling you that you should take this information as an indication.
Last year somebody mentioned a facebook page... is there any somewhere? What about the marie curie fellows association?
@iof-che
I am sure the email address is correct :-(. You or someone already tried to access the NEF tool successfully??? Any hint?
@IEF_ITA
We have been able to access the NEF tool for some days now (although, I must say, with frequent error messages -anyone else noticed that?) If your supervisor inserted the right information when opening his ECAS account, then he should be able to "see" the project. In any case, if the problem persists you should probably contact your project officer (his name is mentioned in the invitation to negotiate).
Does anyone know when we will see the lists? And roughly a percentage of winners who refuse the fellowship??
Thank you :)
Are we supposed to open a NEF account, or does the Uni reps do that?
all the information about the list are here
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
If you want to have an idea about the percentage of winners who refuse the fellowship and when it is released, have a look at the call of last year, under addtionnal documents:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/p
You have all the "Grant Agreement Production Progress update" from february 2011 to november 2011
Hi, I am an IIF and we have not received yet the email with the info to access the NEF tool... has anyone with IIF got it?
No. I am in IIF-ENG panel. No news on NEF tool yet.
No. I am in IIF-ENG panel. No news on NEF tool yet.
IIF-LIF. No NEF yet.
I have a problem with the NEF... we received the link but when I log into ECAS with my own account, I see no project at all in the My Project tab. I am not sure who is responsible for this... Chasing people before Christmas is not a great task.
I'm hoping some current or future IOF holders can shed some light on tax/financial issues.
Firstly if my UK host university transfers money to Canada to pay my salary, will it be taxed in the UK or in Canada, and if it is/I am taxed in Canada will it be classified as non-canadian income and therefore tax exempt on the basis of the tax treaty between the UK and Canada. Secondly is the mobility allowance taxed in Canada?
Also has anybody ever heard of a fellow renegotiating a country correction factor?
I'm trying to budget to see whether I can feasibly afford to move. I have a young family and am moving to an incredibly expensive city and may struggle due to the .78 correction factor applied across the whole of Canada.
Are we all in A list, who got the invitation for negotiation this time? Is there anyone know how much they reject the negotiation in this stage?
Are we all in A list, who got the invitation for negotiation this time? Is there anyone know how much they reject the negotiation in this stage?
Hi guys,
I have a question. Who is a Coordinator in IIF? Is european advisor in host institution the coordinator? Nor, an applicant from the third country is the coordinator?
Please make sure of it. Thanks in advance!
Hi people,
Can somebody tell me if they require to provide the apartment rent bill or the flight tickets to receive the living and mobility rates, or just they include it in the gross salary you receive each year.
thanks
@togder It's all included in your gross salary. No proof/bills/tickets required
IOF_Canada
Are you moving to Vancouver?
Hi,
I still haven't received an invitation for the NEF (IEF). Do I get it or my supervisor? Any ideas?
@k
Yes, Vancouver (UBC) is my outgoing host, any advice?
@IOF_Canada
I did my first degree at UBC (Chem). Born and raised in Vancouver. And, yes it is quite expensive here, not as bad as London, but close.
You want to make at least $45-50k to live comfortably in the city. There are 'cheaper' areas to live in the city (~30 minutes away). A 2-bedroom apartment will cost at least $1200 in a decent area. Food is cheap, beer is expensive!
I don't want to make this forum about Vancity. If you want more info, leave you email address and I can let you know a little more.
A question to all IOFs. Can the mobility allowance be used as a direct reimboursement of the housing? In this way the allowance cannot be taxed because it is not a stipend but a direct reimboursement and maybe we can keep 100% of it.
Has any of the successful fellowships been to applied researchers (particularly applied health)?
I applied to IOF-LIF as this was the nearest to my area but the subdisciplines given are all basic sciences and neither myself or supervisors recognise any applied health researchers on the list of experts.
I got 81 last year, addresses all the feedback and got 85.3 this year. Just wondering if applied research ever gets funded??
Hi everybody! Could it be possible for anyone of the successful candidates for this year's IEF-LIF to send me their projects? I myself have applied for it, but have only just passed the initial threshold with a mediocre 73,5. Although your comments were informative, it would be very helpful for me to have in my hands a good example, and as I wish to apply again soon for an MC grant (the MC-CIG 6.March 2012) any help would be appreciated.
My email is mihamicro@gmail.com
Thank you!
P.S. My project was (is) on immune cells involved in celiac disease (acronym MONOCELIAC), so if you tend to work on a very similar topic and you see a conflict of interest, but would still like to help me, please remove any information you might deem sensitive.
P.P.S. I was a MC ER in an RTN network in Italy between 2008 and 2009, so if you need any info on how things work there please let me know.
Interesting study on MC fellowship:
Hope by now all successful co-ordinators have received the invitation to enter data in the NEF. By the way does anyone know the formalities for employment contract in UK.
@IIF-br Did u receive the NEF invitation yet? Does that email is cc-ed to the applicant or did ur co-ordinator told you about it?
@IIF-br Did u receive the NEF invitation yet? Does that email is cc-ed to the applicant or did ur co-ordinator told you about it?
the coordinator has received already, at least in my case (IIF-LIF)
The invitation was addressed to the professor(no cc to me). In my case, the prof. just informed me about it.
by the way.... happy Christmas to everybody!
[Q to IIF folks with Return phase]
I am not sure why I see my Return host as "Participant" in Grant Preparation Forms (GPFs) for the Incoming phase... Need some advise!
So, there are two clearly defined phases for any IIF proposal: Incoming and Return. Both phases require two Grant Agreements (GA) and have two independent budgets, one for the Incoming host, and another one for the Return host.
Accordingly, in our GPFs for Incoming phase we see that budget is available only for the Incoming phase during the first 12 or 24 months. However, at the same time Return host is indicated as "Participant" with all corresponding legal and administrative details and place for signature by authorized representative. On the other hand, negotiation guidelines clearly mention that separate GA would be signed with the Return Host after finishing with GA for the Incoming phase.
Could you please help me to understand WHY we see Return host organization as a participant in Incoming phase?! It is strange because there is no "participation" and no "budget" for the Return host at this stage! Especially it is not clear for my Return-host-authorized-representative - what do they get by signing GA for Incoming phase? - for them there are no obligations, no resources, no interest!
Is it just an automatically generated artifact, which we should remove from the GPFs (we see that such function is available)? Or, if it is not an artifact, what does it mean for the Return host - why we need their signature for a period with no participation?!
Would be really happy to know you thoughts on this matter.
Happy holidays to everyone!
Got my answer already - it was an artifact (so, any return host should be removed from the GPFs for the Incoming phase GA).
Hi,
Have all of you recived an invitation to log in the NEF system? I am stil waiting for mine ...
@ IEF-LIF to England, Your supervisor will be doing it on behalf of you.I guess
@IIF-br
Yes, but I have been told that I will recieve an e-mail with a log on for the NEF which I have to forward to my supervisor/the EU team at my uni - did you get that e-mail?
Marie Curie Individual Fellowships
The final results have been published (05/01/2012) and are available under "additional documents".
There are the final results but they don't published the ranked order for the reserve list... How could we know it?
@ IEF-LIF to England, In my case my professor received the invitation letter. I suggest you contact your host supervisor regarding this. I believe he/she would have already received it.
IIF-br, you're in the list A or B ?
Anynone having a problem with less than 4 years of full-time research experience criteria during negotiation?
Any questions being raised regarding your eligibility for Experience Researcher salary level?
I am on list A with 45 months of research experience and expecting a PhD in March.
Does anyone know if the official cut-off scores have been published?
I am not able to locate them on the Participant Portal site.
Does anyone know when the ranklist will be published?
how many percentage of List B are listed in List B and how many will have a chance?
@mab, you can look at last year participant portal to have an idea.
Any of the guys going to UK know if there's going to be a correction with the pound going from 1.14 to 1.21 (and more). We are going to earn less and less otherwise...
@???
I received this message from my contact person: 'For changing the Euros into pounds, we use a buffered exchange rate to account for
currency rate fluctuations, but by the end of the grant you will receive the full
Euro amount that you are supposed to.'
No replies :-( Seems like everyone is busy. Can some senior please comment on my query? I desperately need some help.
Anynone having a problem with less than 4 years of full-time research experience criteria during negotiation?
Any questions being raised regarding your eligibility for Experience Researcher salary level?
I am on list A with 45 months of research experience and expecting a PhD in March.
Any weird experience during negotiation? Please do take couple of minutes to blog your experience (normal or abnormal).
@Urgent I don't really have any advice to offer, but my gut instinct is that if you are on the A list, your experience has been deemed to be within the eligibility requirements. I don't think the evaluation committee (and it is a committee made of more than one person) would allow something to go forward without ensuring basic eligibility has been met.
Have you received the invitation to negotiate? If so, then I think it is ok. However, you could contact your NCP and ask for clarification (I understand you might be reluctant to contact the Project Officer).
If I recall correctly, research experience can also include Masters (and possibly) paid work you did as an undergraduate. Might you be able to find another 3 months somewhere?
@skymonkey
Thanks for your reply. I looked up the document but could not find the reference to the paid work done as an undergraduate. Can you please refer me to some document that might have come across regarding this issue?
Thanks!
@Urgent
I had a look at the communication I had with my project officer last year, and I'm afraid undergraduate work doesn't count. Sorry to have misled you. This is the quote from their email to me, which will clarify the situation:
"experience is measured from the date the researcher obtained the degree which formally entitled him/her to embark on a doctorate, either in the country in which the degree was obtained or in the country in which the research training is provided until the deadline of the call. "
But bear in mind what I said earlier, I think if you are on the A list you have probably been deemed to meet the requirements. I'd still suggest emailing your NCP for advice (or the NCP of another country if you are wary of drawing attention to your predicament).
Hi guys,
I have a very quick question.
During the negotiation, should the bank account be for EU host institution or fellow?
Thanks!
EU host. REA would never give you personally overheads and etc.
Did anyone have to demonstrate research experience years with documents? I had to do this and was wondering if it was random that I was asked or if everyone was asked to prove?
@skymonkey
Just to clarify your points: paid undergraduate work does not count since it was before the degree was awarded. Please confirm.
Did anyone not get asked to provide documents to prove research experience?
@ said
I personally was NOT asked to provide any documents to prove my research experience.
@ Negotiator
I didn't have any problems during negotiation, my hosts just filled in the on-line forms and submitted the B part of the original application as DoW (no changes were required by the PO).
For me, the negotiation went pretty smooth.
Could you tell me that the tex for the IIF fellow who comes from the fhird country. Actually, my host institution is in France. But I will work in Switzerland. Is there someone to have some idea about that?
@ said, Are you in the above 10 years experience category? Was it the REA or your host institute who asked for xperience documents? Thanks
@ alo (IOF-Chemistry)
What category are you in? less than 4 years, 4-10 years, greater than 10 years?
@ IIF-br
It was the REA that asked (and the coordinator at my host institute asked me). I thought I was 10 years, but according to the rule and the REA, I am a few months shy because research experience prior to the degree being awarded is not considered. It's strange because I applied last year, and the evaluator stated that I had greater than 10 years (this was one year ago). So you would think that one year later I still have greater than 10 years.
@ Said
My host too, has been asked to confirm that I had the required level of experience. He simply forwarded my CV. And he put my email address in CC, saying to the administrator that if they need further details, they can ask me directly. So I just replied "yes I have the required level of experience" and that's it... they didn't ask for more paperwork!
Did they explicitly ask you to give DOCUMENTS proving your experience?...
All the best to you all!
@said Experience only counts after you have been awarded the degree that enables you to embark on a PhD. For some this will be their bachelors degree, for other systems it may be a masters.
As for documentation proving experience, you may well be asked to verify this, although I think in most cases the REA accepts that the host institution has checked.
I was asked to provide proof however, as I had listed 80 months experience in my application spread over 11 years. The REA thought that I qualified for the 10+ years salary and asked me to provide documentary evidence in the form of scanned employment contracts. Unfortunately for me the 80 months experience was accurate and I had to take the less than 10 years experience salary :-)
HTH
will the letter from former supervisor to demonstrate part-time work be enough? i have 1 year of part-time research experience under a prof (equivalent to 6 months full-time). adding this will qualify me for 10+ years salary. any prior experience?
@part-time work, you should ask your project officer. But if you have verifiable, documented research experience you should be fine I think.
@skymonkey
Can you please elaborate on "verifiable, documented research experience"
I worked for this prof for 1 year on part-time basis and published 2 papers. I can get a letter from him to prove this research experience. but it has been so long and not sure if univ will give part-time job certificate.
@ Zahra
They asked to provide documents proving research experience so I contacted 5 previous employers for proof and period of employment. This was a bit time consuming, but okay. And then in the end they said I don't have 10 years since some of the experience was before having the degree. I understand the rule better now, but why did they bother me to get the documents? And I'm not sure I agree with the rule. What if someone worked in research for 10 years even before completing the degree? In my case there was 2 years before the degree and 9 years 4 months after the degree. So I don't qualify. And the difference in salary is significant. But somehow, others (I saw in the posts) have less than 10 years experience but more than 10 years since receiving the degree, and they qualify.
@said
"documents proving research experience" is the letter from prof/supervisor enough to prove this?
@part-time work, this is what my project officer sent me last year when asking for proof of my experience:
"The proof should preferably be copies (scans) of employment contracts or equivalent, clearly showing the type and the time of employment, since it has to be experience in research, not just any kind of employment.
If all the proofs can not be produced, I can also accept a declaration of honour from the fellow that he cannot provide all the proof and that such research experience existed at the time of proposal submission and with listing the experiences gained (please note that the dates should be complete - Day/Month/Year and not, for ex. November 1999 - May 2009). I can accept scans and if a declaration of honour is sent by e-mail, later the original should be sent by post. "
But your own project officer will let you know what is/isn't acceptable. Things may have changed since last year.
@ part-time work
yes i sent letters from former employers.
@skymoney
Whats "declaration of honour from the fellow" mate? Sounds like I might need legal help?
anyone receive redress notifications?
@part-time work
I don't think the "declaration of honour" requires a lawyer :-) I understood it to just be a written statement from you listing your research experience in lieu of the usual supporting documentation (such as contracts), which, for whatever reason, you cannot provide.
My only other bit of advice to anyone who is in negotiations is to email your REA project officer (their address is in the emails from the REA). I emailed mine a number of times during my negotiations looking for clarification on a number of things. While posting to this forum is certainly helpful in providing supplementary info, the PO can give you definitive advice and instructions :-)
It seems that different project officers have a different standard of 'proof' for the level of experience. I had to draw up a timeline of all the positions I had, state whether they were part-time or full-time, and support it with scanned documents. The host were the first to check this, and they were fine with the +10 years experience. However, the Commission queried it, given that the my zillion part-time contracts over the last while couldn't be taken directly as counting for full-time research.
In the end, I had to get a scanned letter from my Department Head, stating that although I was only teaching part-time, I was still working full-time on research (which is the truth). This seemed to do the trick.
That said, my situation was slightly anomalous, in that in the Irish system, a primary undergraduate degree is enough to embark on doctoral study; also, I have two MAs, and there was some query as to whether the second MA counted as research given that it re-duplicated the same qualification. In the end, the fact that it was in a different area won the day so I got what was needed.
Personally, this is more than just being about spending money: my partner has to take career break, the destination is expensive and we've got kids. So, getting the higher rate was a real necessity for us.
While I'm not looking for money for these purposes myself, what you're saying makes sense. Hopefully it helps the right people.
Guys when did you send the GPF? I received the invitation letter with 11 january 2012 as "Deadline for submitting Grant Agreement Preparation Forms and Description of
Work", I sent it on 10 january, but now I see in the negotiation portal that the deadline for sending documents is set to 6 january 2012! What am I missing?
@iefita
Where can I find the negotiation portal??
I also sent it on 10 Jan.
@ IIF - cs, Was it you or your host who made the submission?
Of cource, my host made the submission.
I said "negotiation portal", actually it was in the page "Access negotiation" in the Participant Portal.
@ iefita
Are you EU host? If not, how could you access it?
@iefita: in the first mail that I received from my project officier, it was specified that:
"the negotiation deadline is now extended until end of January"
Hi everybody!
I won a IOF and I have a 'trivial' issue to solve. I need your help.
I definitively have more than 4 years of experience and I have NOT got the PhD degree yet. I will get it next month (february 2012)
In the PART B (only in the CV) of the proposal I wrote that I will gain the EUROPEAN Doctoral Degree.
But, at the end, I will gain the 'normal' Doctoral Degree (not European) because of a health problem which is happened to my 'external' tutor (who would have written the report of my thesis for apply to the european degree)
Actually, there are not 'legal' difference between the 'normal' Doctoral Degree and the European Doctoral Degree: they are recognize by law as the same degree. It is just that the EUROPEAN Doctoral Degree 'looks better'...
In the PART A of the proposal we signed that I get PhD in February 2012 without specify the type of the PhD.
My question is: Will I have some kind of problem if I will not get the European PhD Degree?
... or it does not matter the type of PhD degree since the evaluators judged my CV and experience for what I have done until the August 2011 (submission date) ?
Does anyone have same kind of "problem"?
Thank you in advance for your help!
L
@Luca74 I don't really understand what you mean when you say "European" and "normal" PhD. However, if the "normal" PhD which you will get next month entitles you to call yourself Luca74 PhD or Dr. Luca74 I can't imagine that you will have any problem, as this is all that is required from the REA
@Luca74 Actually, I looked again at the eligibility requirements and what I said just now is wrong. The PhD doesn't come into it at all in your case. If you do not already have a PhD at the time of application, then all that is required is for you to have at least 4 years research experience (full-time) after receiving the degree that entitles you to embark on your doctoral studies. You said you definitely have this, so the type of PhD you get or when you receive it does not matter, as you have already fulfilled the eligibility requirements :-)
@Luca74 Actually, I looked again at the eligibility requirements and what I said just now is wrong. The PhD doesn't come into it at all in your case. If you do not already have a PhD at the time of application, then all that is required is for you to have at least 4 years research experience (full-time) after receiving the degree that entitles you to embark on your doctoral studies. You said you definitely have this, so the type of PhD you get or when you receive it does not matter, as you have already fulfilled the eligibility requirements :-)
thank you skymonkey! really appreciated!
Sorry if I have been inaccurate. What I mean as 'European Doctoral Degree' is simply this:
http://virgo.unive.it/eurodoct/ed/index.php?option
Your answer make me sure that it is not important the kind of degree.
Moreover, in my previous post I was 'worried' about the possibility that my score would have been diminished. But, also in this case, your answer solve any problem :-)
Than you for your time!
Hi all,
Thanks for this thread, I have followed it since July and it's been very helpful. I have a question regarding the Description of Work (DoW) and the actual project.
Probably, my project will not be exactly as what is stated in the original proposal or DoW, simply because I'll discover better ways to do something or other measures that would be more interesting. Or maybe something will not work out the way we planned. I think it's part of science, but I was wondering how flexible the REA is with this regard. Do you have an idea? What do they expect from progress reports?
Hi everybody,
My IEF just ended and I was wondering if I have to send a final report. Do you know if there is a document to fill out and where I have to send it?
Thanks a lot!
Hi everybody! Could it be possible for anyone of the successful candidates for this year's IIF- LIF to send me their projects at this e-mail: lea0863@gmail.com? I got only 74,5.
Thanks in advance..
how much per month after tax we can earn for a MC fellow in UK?
Does anyone knows (past, present, future) what's the NET salary for an MC-IIF at UK. Thanks
Someone posted how much UK fellows can expect to get net. Have a look further up the thread.
Does Anyone know how much tax rate for IIF in France.
Since we are talking about taxes and money, can anyone with past experience tell me how much of the living allowance + mobility allowance will I "see" after the university takes its cut? Before taxes.
Thanks in advance!
Forgot to add,
1)for the US, and
2)I'm taking percentage wise.
Thanks again
@JPR it completely depends on what country you are going to, as you are taxed at normal income tax rates and on things like social insurance, which varies from country to country, (if you've been following the thread you'll know that the social insurace contributions are paid from the living and mobility allowance). If you post what country your host institution is in, then someone might be able to give more detailed advice.
Hi,
Does anyone know how to arrange maternity leave if you start a Marie Curie Fellowship while already pregnant? France is my country of particular interest. Can you take longer than the 16 weeks provided by law? Are you entitled to paid leave if you start working as a Marie Curie while already pregnant? Many thanks for your help!
what is the declaration of honour? is this equivalent to the letter signed and verified by the supervisor?
We have a right to start our fellowships within 12 months after contract signature.
Is there any narrow possibility to postpone the starting date for 24 months?
Anyone with some experience?
Does anybody know what is the NET salary you obtain from an IEF fellowship in France, when you have 4-10 years experience?
@ IEF-France
Hello, I've just asked the same question yesterday, and my coordinator told me that you can expect something around 3000 euros NET (Living and mobility allowances included), if you have no family obligation. And a bit more if you do have family charge. It's a very comfortable salary!
Does anybody know what is the NET salary obtain from an IIF fellowship in UK having 4-10 years experience with family?
you should get more than £5K before tax.
Since we are at it, does anybody know the NET salary received for an IOF fellowship in the US, 4-10 years experience and no dependents?
Thanks in advance
Hi, I'm going to UK with an IIF and I have just received the info from the Institute that the approximate figure (biggest issue being pound/euro rate) will be 3200 pounds NET.
Hi, I'm going to UK with an IIF and I have just received the info from the Institute that the approximate figure (biggest issue being pound/euro rate) will be 3200 pounds NET. I have one child and 4-10 yrs exp
@??? which institute in the UK?
does the 3200 include allowance and mobility? does it also include the conference/research funds which are essentially ours?
@ IIF UK
It includes living + mobility (as I said 4-10 yrs exp + child). It does not include Research funds. It would be the net salary. The Human Resources Lady said "at least" that figure, since they tend to be cautios when they choose the euro/pound rate. Then, in the end if I have been underpaid, they will top up in the last salary.
Total Living allowance = 140800 Euros = 70400 Euros per annum = 5867 Euros per month
Total Mobility allowance = 20210 Euros = 10105 Euros per annum = 842 Euros per month
Total Monthly income = 6709 Euros per month
Assuming the conversion rate to be 1 Euros = 0.8 Pounds (roughly!)
Total Monthly income = 5367 GBP per month
Here is how I computed tax -
Basically, I dont plan to stay in UK after the fellowship, therefore, I will skip pension plan.
If I will not pay for National Insurance, the net salary comes out to be 4052 GBP per month.
http://www.taxcalculator.co.uk/calculation/799138
If I will pay for the National Insurance, the net salary comes out to be 3663 GBP per month.
http://www.taxcalculator.co.uk/calculation/799160
I dont see how the NET salary can be 3200 GBP per month? Any suggestion? Is there something I am missing?
Also, how useful is the National Insurance? Is it a bad idea to skip it?
@UK salary conversion for IIF
The net salary will be most likely 3200-3300 GBP /month. I got a offer letter few days back. So your calculation is wrong
You have to pay national insurance in the UK - you cannot opt out.
@ UK salary conversion for IIF
I did the same you did with those websites. But what I posted is the final word from the HR people. You have to pay your contribution to NI and the employer's one as well. It is roughly 3200.
@UK salary conversion for IIF
It depends on if the university will give you the fellowhip or will pay you a salary.
If they pay you a salary, it will be lower than the fellowhip (that's what they said to me) but contribute for the national insurance and other things.
You have to ask to your university to know what they will pay you
The reserve lists for both IOF and IIF are uploaded in the Research Participant Portal! Hopefully IEF will follow soon?!!
The reserve lists for both IOF and IIF are uploaded in the Research Participant Portal! Hopefully IEF will follow soon?!!
Thank you for the inof
is the order in the B list in thi stable mean the ranklist of B people?
@ Jehiko
Are you sure we can postpone 12 months after sign the contract for start the project?
Does somebody signed any contract still?
@mab
Yes, they are ranked in order highest - lowest. Therefore, the first B project is directly underneath the last A project and will be funded first if funds become available!
Dear all:
Is there any information on the rate of proposals that are rejected at the negotiation phase? Does it actually happen? I'm becoming nervous as it's been weeks now that I sent the ethics revision of my proposal, and I haven't heard anything from the REA…
Thanks.
Martin
Hi all,
One of the weaknesses of the proposal was that - "The research approach is not highly original as most techniques proposed are well established and no
development of new methods is foreseen".
Do they expect novel "tested" methods? Some advice?
Cheers
@ luigi
Well, In my case I demonstrated originality in the methods by:
1) proposing new techniques which will provide me a competitive scientific profile
2) proposing techniques which I know but in the host place they are not used to work with so is a determinant and a new insight in the research project.
I don't know if it should be like that but I can tell you that had a great mark.
@ MCenroe,
Thanks, I really appreciate that. Did you develop the new techniques? They expect to be published techniques? Contrats for the great mark!
Let's say that I come from a different background inside the same scientific field. So in this project I have proposed an alternative approach explaining well the benefit of the application of novel techniques for the host lab. The novelty is to propose new techniques for the host while also that you receive a solid experience in the techniques they use.
By the way, I also explained in the researcher part that I have set up some protocols in the lab. Try to explain you have initiative, independent-thinking and able to problem-solving while working.
In my opinion, for this type of proposals the whole mades the mark. Is important that you transmit all these ideas along the whole proposal, so take advantage of any single point to demonstrate any single idea, like novelty, initiative, formation, etc...
Good luck!
Thanks Mcenroe, I will definitely follow your advice.
Luigi
Anyone has an idea of the net salary of an IEF in Denmark (i.e. the tax rate) ?
Thanks!
@peterIEF
this is an extract form GPFs:
"Start date to be notified; must lie within 12 months of grant agreement signature and should start around ../../...."
This means, that there is a possibility to select the starting date according to your life plans, isn't it?
I suppose, that Grant Agreement should arrive for a signature in 2-3 months after the end of negotiations.
Hi guys. I got an IOF.
I was just informed by the European Host (in France) that I will be employee of CNRS for the entire period of the fellowship and will need a french social security number (what means that I will be making SS deductions the whole time) and a bank account (where they will put my salary).
This worries me since now I don't know how the taxes and deductions are gonna work while I'm in the United States. Since I will have a contract with the University how will this all go? I wasn't expecting this.
Got an IEF in Italy, here seems that people are a bit confused on what kind of contract I should sign. It must/can be a co.co.co, an "assegno di ricerca" or a subordinate contract (junior, type a) from the law 240/2010)?? Is there somebody with some experience from the last years?
@MaxVs
it is possible to have the money transferred to the US host and have a contract (with money) with them. Depending on where you are located, taxes (state + federal) are around 25-30%, but you have to pay health insurance, let's say 400$ a month through the university. Of course, if you don't discuss the various options, the European host is doing what it is more comfortable with, that is their regular contract for you. But it is your right to have the best contract for you. In this sense the Marie Curie policy is seriously wrong, it should be mandatory to have a contract with money with the third country institution.
@iefita
I'm Italian and I have just won an IOF. Go with the "assegno di ricerca", it's 27,5% in taxes with the new university reform. The RTDa, on the contracts/position for temporary researchers just inntroduced, is possible, but not all universities have the internal legislation ready for that contract. If you go with the assegno, you have a very good salary, since with the new reform there is no maximum imposed. I think it's the best option for you. DO NOT ACCEPT A COCOCO, it's not for scientists, it's not for decent people, actually. DO NOT.
Dear all
Does any body knows regarding the traveling allowance for Marie Curie IIF. To move home country to host country, EU will pay for travel costs? I could not find this......
Thanks in advance.
@svi
thank you for your comment, but can you be more specific? what happens with a cococo? My supervisor said that the RTDa is the best one but it is impossible, because it must be of three years.
@iefita: I got an IEF in Italy in the 2010 call. I got a cococo (which worked out to a very decent netto), but there was a lot of confusion indeed. Now with the new laws, the situation may have changed. I advise you very strongly to contact the NCP in Rome as early as possible, or better still, have the university administration contact the NCP. The NCP is the best one to give advice, and that's what they are there for. And don't worry: Nobody is trying to take away money from you, the university is just trying to do their best in your best interest. My personal experience is that there is a lot of goodwill, but a lot of confusion.
@ IIF UK
There is not travelling allowance as such. That's now included in the mobility.
Your institute might pay for your relocation, depending on where you're coming from.
@iif_uk I don't know the details of the IIF programme, but for the IEF at least (last year) we received a lump sum at the beginning of the fellowship that was a contribution to relocation costs. I think it was about 700 or 800 euros. It was separate to the salary and mobility payments. In fact I received it before I received my first salary. There is a similar payment at the end of the fellowship to contribute to relocation costs back to your original country. These payments are separate from: Living Allowance, Mobility Allowance, Career Exploratory allowance. It may be, however, that the relocation contribution has been lumped together with some other payment for 2012 fellows. But for 2011 it was separate and was paid automatically.
@Italy IEF-2010 and @svi
Just for the record, I have contacted both NCP and the University administrative secretary. The NCP says that the contract should not be an "assegno", although it is not really prohibited, but anyway the people that know most what to do are administratives. At the secretary they said that most people this year is going to have an "assegno", although RTDa in principle is possible. Now I should contact another person (responsible of research in the univ.) to have a final answer... This is becoming intriguing... As I understand RTDa is the better option by far but the main problem is that MC are two years long. Recent Italian laws say that "RTDa are three years long", although having a RTDa of two years is not explicitly prohibited.
Read in annex III of the grant agreement:
"The REA reserves the right to apply to the ongoing grant agreements revisions of the
correction coefficients published in the Work Programme in case of an increase of the
coefficient equal or superior to 10%. The necessary financial adjustments of the financial
contribution of the Union will be made with the final payment"
Not sure how this would work but maybe of interest to those bound for the UK, as the correction coefficient currently for ongoing negotiations is 120.3, but the 2012 work programme (i.e. for the call deadline in Aug 2012) states the correction coefficient for the UK will be 134.4. Therefore an increase of over 10%. Does this mean a revertion to the latter coefficient? What is meant by final payment?
Does anyone of you has experience with the Marie Curie Fellows Association? On their site (http://www.mcfa.eu/) their mission statements reads:
"The Marie Curie Fellows Association is the association of scientists (Marie Curie Fellows) who were awarded a mobility research training grant by the European Community. The MCFA helps unite the European scientific élite by providing a platform for networking, career development, and mutual support ; and can deliver your ideas and concerns to the highest level of the European decision-making."
However, there's a registration fee of 40 euros, which looks quite steep. Anybody knows if this is worth it?
@ iefita: I am also going to do an IEF in Italy. Apparently, the problem with the RTD position is that such contracts are not exempted from the IRAP regional tax, which is not recognized as being a legitimate tax by the EU and is therefore included in the overheads. Given that IRAP is 8.5% of the whole salary, that the percentage allotted for overheads in the IEF scheme is 10%, and that most Universities take way more than 1.5% for managing costs, you can see where the problem lies... I also agree that it would be more "prestigious" to get the RTD contract, but a) it might be impossible to get it (see above) and b) it looks like with the assegno di ricerca you can end up getting way more money
@ IOF CAN
Thanks for the data. Where did you find that "The REA reserves the right to apply to the ongoing grant agreements revisions of the correction coefficients published in the Work Programme in case of an increase of the coefficient equal or superior to 10%. The necessary financial adjustments of the financialcontribution of the Union will be made with the final payment"? In the grant agreement itself? Isn't that in any other document you know?
@???
The statement can be found in annex III of the grant agreement, entitled "specific provisions". Put the quotation into a search engine and you'll find last years version.
@IOF-can
Thanks! I already asked the payroll officer.
Does anyone know why the Grant Agreement production progress is posted on the research participant portal for IOF and IIF since last week yet not IEF? Will the IEF list be available soon? Thanks in advance for any help on this matter!
@???
Could your payroll officer shed any more light on the statement?
@IOF-can
They told me that it was an unusual raise (which of course I don't care, it was not me that decided the coefficient). They also said they could contact the project officer about this when the GA arrives. I already sent an email to my project officer (not expecting an answer though).
What they did say is that if there was any change to be applied, the University needs to know that before I start, even if the payment was to be made at the end.
I'll let you know if I get an answer from the officer.
@???
Thanks
@iefita
ayoos is right and plus the internal machinery for RTDa is not ready in most universities. And it's not that they are taking away money from you, never said that, it is that most admins don't have a clue most of the time and it can be frustrating. The best thing for a foreigner is to have the best taxation, or better, the fairest taxation. I think that assegno is the best contract. The story about cococo is pretty long and complicated, as I said to the admins of my host institute it is not for researcher and I won't accept it.
Has anyone done a redress request? It has been 1.5 months since the deadline for redress but I still hear nothing from MC.
@svi
Hi, i have also applied for a IOF (from Italy to US). I am now in the reserve list but in case at the contract option seems to be a co.co.co. (the last word from the administration). As far as I understand you have just won a IOF with Italy involved. What are your contract options? RTDb wouldn't be bad... The new legislation for ERC grant allows this for 3 years contracts...
Does anybody know the NET salary for a 4-10y researcher in France? The information I see in the internet about French taxes is starting to scare me.
@IOF - IT to US
cococo is absolutely not the only option. I don't know which italian uni will (I hope for you) host you, but it in general they want to do that because it is "easier" for them. But since you will have an important fellowship from eu it is not that they do what are more comfortable with, but you, as a promising researcher, have all the rights to be provided with a decent contract. It should be RTDa, not b (probably you are saying if you win a ERC starting grant you can have a RTDb), but not all the universities have the internal legislation ready (and you will pay more taxes, which I don't want to do) and thus in case it is not possible the only reasonable alternative is "assegno di ricerca". I was offered first a cococo and I said no, easy breezy.
I have seen also that there are some laws that incentivate foreign people doing their research in Italy. However, the most recent law says it is only for those who will spend at least 5 years in Italy. Info:
...incentivize... whatever
@ US and FR:
I asked the question to our coordinator, and he said we can expect sthg around 3000euros NET (that is the salary for 4-10y, no family obligations). He said that roughly, you have to divide the whole amount by 2 (~50% taxes).
It's still a very decent salary!!! ;)
You cand find here the necessary informations on the MC salaries in France: http://www.agreenium.org/Actualites-Agreenium/ense
I turned down MC guys!!! HSFP 4eva!
After Marie Curie Fellowship what would be next fellowship one should apply in chemistry I mean?
@brynopus
doesn't HSFP pay much less?
@Further advice
did you get a MC?
@ Zahra and doriel
THANKS!
@ Doriel: do you really think the salary can be so high??! This link gives very large numbers... I suppose we'll all know early enough! :)
@igor..
Yup I got MC. But since this is my first postdoc experience I want to gain some more experience hence want to know more about the other options available in terms of fellowship which is as prestigious as MC
@igor..
Yup I got MC. But since this is my first postdoc experience I want to gain some more experience hence want to know more about the other options available in terms of fellowship which is as prestigious as MC
@zahra: "chargé de familles" means with family, this entitles you to 300 euros a month more. Your correct "salary calculator" would be, roughly: 58500 (4-10 years of experience) * 115,8 : 100 - 45% (taxes for france) : 12months; + 700 euros every month, not taxable (mobility allowance).
@doriel and zahra: according to the site http://www.agreenium.org/Actualites-Agreenium/ense
mobility allowance is taxable, therefore monthly salary would be lower.
It is a wrong statement. The fiscal agency of french governement established mobility allowance can not be taxed. Here the fiscal regulations: http://www11.bercy.gouv.fr/boi/boi2007/5fppub/text
thank you doriel!
Thanks doriel, you have everything covered!
How do you manage, and which is the correspondent budget to use if you want to attend conferences, congresses courses etc...
My point is, if it is included in the same budget of the allowances for the host lab and you must "fight" with your "new boss" to use part of the money in your formation.
I would also appreciate experiences of MC fellowships on how they decided where the budget for the lab should be invested for, just wondering that the boss may prefer to invest this in other stuff but not in the real benefit of the project... Should I be afraid? ;)
Thnks!
The Grant Agreement Production Progress for IEF has been uploaded:
Anyone with IIF/IEF/IOF at UK university heard about the euro to GBP conversion rate for 2012 that will be applied for salary?
Anyone with IIF/IEF/IOF at UK university heard about the euro to GBP conversion rate for 2012 that will be applied for salary?
@euro2GBP
0.80 (3 percent less) that what is written in my offer letter
????
I guess we will end up with something close to 3300 GBP per month in hand after all the taxes (with no pension option)?
@euro2GBP
I guess between that range as even the employer's NI too. So most likely that range 3300-3350. Where you going btw?
@???, ????, ?????, and euro2GBP
I'm the "old" ??? and my Univ told me "...at the end of your Fellowship, once we have the exact exchange rate for the Euro, if you have been underpaid, you will receive a top up bonus payment from the University".
It will be in the range of 3300 GBP/month in the meantime.
Is that similar for all the UK Unis? I've heard the Oxbridge take a little more off the top
I have got IOF: NL to USA.
However, I am still not sure whether having 2 years contract with US university is a better option or 3 years contract with EU host? I would really appreciate any help on this!!! Does any one know about the taxes in Massachusetts?
Does anyone from list B of the IEF has received any news, any offer?
@??? ???? ?????
Thanks for the info!
ll be goin to imperial, if evrythin goes acc to d plan. wat bout you guys?
@!?!
I think all unis take the employer's NI contribution out. havent heard nything splc from oxbridge. should be the same.
I also will be at imperial/materials department
I'll be in the Univ of Dundee (School of Life Sciences) with an IIF.
Question to those going to UK: 3300 GBP + mobility or it is final monthly net salary? I am going to University of London.
@kiki
3300 GBP is final. At least for me (not going to London)
@IOF2Massachu
I am trying very hard to have money for the two years in the US (sunny California) and the last one paid from Italian host. As far as I know you need anyways the contract with the EU host (with no money on it if you are paid in the US). Single person in California is 25-30% on gross depending on a few things, but consider
- health insurance!!!!! starting from 300$ a month, minimum
- tax treaty, if NL has it with the US
@svi: Are you an IOF from Italy going to California? I am in the same situation and I would like to have more info on the solution you are trying. If so, can I contact you in private? Let me know and I can send you my email contact. best
@??? Thanks!
are there any italian ief going back to italy?
@IOFCHE
yes, I am going from Ita to Cali and yes, send me your email contact.
@svi
How is possible to sign an "assegno" if an MC fellow exceed the maximum salary allowed for that type of contract, I guess everybody will go to cococo, am wrong??
@gunther-IOF
with the new reform, there is no maximum for the assegno, there is only a minimum. If they are telling you so, they are lying OR they have a specific regulation in the university where you are going (which on?), and I doubt it.
The law is 240/2010 art. 22
@svi: here is my personal contact: fricci77@gmail.com
please, send me an email with your contact and we can start talking. I am having some problems in my Univ for the contract. It would be great to know what others are doing with the same laws...thanks.
You can have other information here: http://www.become-a-scientist.com/2012/02/marie-cu
I applied in 2009 for an IOF and I give some tips to find which grants is better for you and where and when to apply. Hope this can help too!
Hello! Any italian "ricercatore confermato" has a IOF or IEF in the 2011 call? I need tips and help for the administrative part regarding stipend and contract. If someone can help me please respond to this post and I will send my personal email address. Thanks!
Updated GA production progress for IIF
hello everybody,
can anyone tell me whether I still have a chance? I am 4th of reserve list of LIF/IIF. I have checked the updated GA progress. 3 people have withdrawn, but nobody in the reserve list has started the replacement. Or they have to wait until everyone in A list finished the Negotiation?
Hi,
Has anyone changed supervisor during the fellowship? Mine just got a job at another Uni and there is another Prof who is a co-supervisor who would like to take over.
Any experience with that??
@mab, you have a good chance but you will have to be patient because the procedures can be long for people on the reserve list
Anyone from Romania or Bulgaria going to UK? Do you know what kind of document is needed for work permission in UK?
Hi, I have a question. There are different Marie Curie programs. I am confusing how to choose the program to apply for a funding. I am basically an Indian who did PhD in Belgium. Now, I got an opportunity to do my post doc in Switzerland but I should apply for marie curie fellowship. I've the project prepared on my hands but confusing to which program should I submit, its last date, the project format etc... I really confused with all the abbreviations. Even after searching a lot I couldn't find a suitable program to submit my project proposal. Could you please help me? Thank you.
@Aneesh
Since you've done your PhD in the EU your PhD nationality is Belgian for the MC program. With this in mind, I think that you should apply for the IEF call but its better for you to phone the MC contact point in Switzerland so they can give you more accureate info.
@Aneesh, you should apply for the IEF. And that's a great opportunity to do your postdoc in Switzerland! I enjoyed it.
If you want more info on how to choose your MC program:
Hi, does anybody happen to know already how many applications there have been for this years CIG? The NCPs should probably already know it.
I have a question friends.
Since, a project after redress and revaluation might get higher score than the reserve list projects, does that mean no one in the reserve list is invited until redressal and reevaluation process for all the proposals is complete?
Hi all, I won an IEF and I'm struggling with my Italian host institute: seeing at the recent law 240/2010 they could sign a regular contract, but the don't want, saying that they can only sign an "assegno di ricerca". I know that with the latter I cannot teach and I have less rights with respect to the former, moreover, the EU says that they should give me a regular contract unless the national law prohibits to do so.
Their main excuse is that they interpret the law saying that post-doctoral contracts should be of "exactly" three years, but Marie Curie grants are only of two years. I know that some other Italian Universities interpret the law as "up to three years" (e.g. Pavia's University). The law also says that post-doctoral contracts can be given upon the winning of European grants (e.g., Individual Marie Curie).
I also called the Italian NCP and they said that I should not accept the "assegno di ricerca".
I do not really know what to do now... Anyone else in the same situation?
@gs
I am in a very similar situation, even though for my Italian university the problem is not the duration of the contract, but rather the fact that regular "ricercatore a tempo determinato" (RTD) positions are subject to the IRAP regional tax. Given that the EU does not recognize this as a "legitimate tax", what they are telling me is that IRAP should go in the overheads. Unfortunately, overheads for the Marie Curie are fixed at ~10%, which is a major problem given that IRAP is 8.5% and that my University/Department will need 5-10% for administrative expenses.
However, they are also saying that the salary for the RTD position is fixed at ~1850 euros/month (albeit for 13 months), while basically the "assegno di ricerca" is
(1) with no upper limit,
(2) exempt from most taxes,
resulting in a salary that should range between 3500 and 5000 euros/month (for 12 months). I wish I could be more precise with the salaries, but that's what I have at the moment (actually, since you seem to be at a more advanced stage of the negotiation, maybe you can give more precise numbers). The RTD is better because
(1) It has a better pension plan and
(2) It should be the first step towards becoming an associate professor. However, regarding point (2), it should be noted that while in principle you need three years as an RTD to be eligible to become a professor, in practice (as far as I understood, plase correct me if I am wrong) three years spent working abroad with an "RTD-like" contract (and even in Italy with a "pre-Gelmini reform" assegno di ricerca) should suffice.
To conclude, I would say that for a foreigner with no intention of settling in Italy the assegno di ricerca might be the best solution. I am not sure if for somebody whose long-term plan is to stay in Italy (such as myself) the RTD might end up being the best choice. I was planning to look into the issue more closely whenever the time would come to define the precise terms of the contract (I am not at that stage yet).
I agree to everything you said, except for the fact that RTD should IRAP exempt, because your RTD is not a contract for commercial purposes ("attività produttive"). I am quite confident with the exemption, which applied instead to "co.co.co." contracts.
In any case it can be deducted from taxes (http://www.fiscooggi.it/attualita/articolo/irap-de and there are recent laws that reduce the IRAP for foreigners or Italians that stayed abroad in the past years (here you can find some infos http://www.controesodo.it/, or search for "Incentivi fiscali per il rientro dei lavoratori in Italia").
Therefore your university says they could sign a RTD for two years? What is your uni? Mine is the Univ. of Pisa.
Moreover, if I understand correctly, if the uni wants to make an "assegno" they should write a letter to the EU justifying why they do so. I want really to know what they say about it.
Please keep us updated if you have any news..
My host institution is Sapienza University of Rome. Having recently prepared another project –including the financial parts– involving RTDs as well as people with tenured positions, I can safely tell you that IRAP is usually applied to contracts in the academia (RTDs, research fellows, professors, etc.), with the sole exception of the assegno di ricerca (and possibly of the co.co.co.). It is, however, possible that foreign researchers can be exempted from the tax. I will look more closely at this possibility, thanks for the tip!!!
PS Can you (or anyone else on this forum) confirm that the salary of an RTD should be ~1850 euros/month (I mean the net salary, I know how much the gross is)? Do you have a more precise estimate of the salary an MC-IEF fellow would get by signing an assegno di ricerca? Thanks, I will post any new information I may gather.
A good read: http://www.postdocsforum.com/2012/03/11/marie-curi
The calls for the fellowships IIF, IOF and IEF are now open!
Assegno di ricerca has no upper limit.
When you write RTD you need to specify whether it is an RTDa or b, since they are quite different.
"It should be the first step towards becoming an associate professor".
With the turnover rate at 20% in the foreseeable future in Italian Uni the chances of getting a job are slim, but who knows? (I know)
Taxes for assegno are 27.5%.
The main problem I am facing so far (apart from not having received the grat agreement and my european contact never answering emails and having basically disappeared, I'm thinking about a formal complain), is delaing with administrative staff I have no previous relationship with.
@svi when I say RTD I refer to RTDa. I've seen some report in which it is written with Marie Curie you can only have RTDa, while for RTDb you need an ERC or similar.
@gs
As far as I know, there is no official document clearly saying that as a Marie Curie fellow (IOF or IEF) your contract should be a RTDa. I knew about RTDb and ERC starting grant, but even there I don't know if it is something just said or instead clearly officially documented.
@svi look at this http://www.dst.unipi.it/dst/rocchi/Senato/archivio (art. 15.1). They do not say that it must be an RTDa, but they say it can be a RTDa. Moreover, the EU says that it should not be an assegno. As far as I know, to me the only problem is that RTDa must be of three years, therefore you need somebody to put the money for the third year... What I want to know is if I can have a two years RTDa, as they do in Pavia, for example (www.unipv.eu/site/home/ateneo/statuto-e-regolamenti/regolamenti/documento10121.html art. 18.1).
@gs
@svi
In order to get an RTDb the university must have the money to hire you as an associate professor after the end of the RTD contract, i.e., we are NOT going to get an RTDb. Even for ERCs, as far as I know there is kind of an "informal" convention that if you get it you have very good chances of getting tenure, but that's it. Actually, as far as I know most Italian universities haven't even defined the procedures for hiring RTDb researchers. What worries me is your statement that the EU will not accept the assegno. Where did you see it EXPLICITLY written? If you are simply worried about the "social security" part, I think that since the assegno has some sort of pension fund (the so-called "gestione separata") we should be ok (also the public health care system in Italy should help). But if you saw it written on some official document, then we are in trouble... I mean, if you are not eligible for the IRAP exemption (and there is a good chance I am not, I don't know about you guys) then there might be financial reasons to rule out the RTD (see my previous posts). Also, the fact that for RTDs the gross salary (~50keuros) is fixed and much lower than the allotted MC salary does not help. On the other hand, now you are telling me that the assegno is not even allowed by the EU. Then, what are our options here?
@ayoos
The NCP in Italy told me that they should not do an assegno, and in the work programme it is written that a regular contract should be the way to go. However, if there are national laws that forbid it, the University can write a letter justifying why it cannot sign a regular contract and therefore I understand that if the researcher is ok with it, the letter plus the assegno should work.
You should really look for IRAP reductions, since the elegibility criterias are quite similar with the mobility criterias of MCs. However, if I remember correctly, latest IRAP reductions require you to remain in Italy for at least 5 years.
P.S. I am talking of RTDa, forget about the RTDb, they are not going to give you that one for a MC.
@gs
I guess the problem is your definition of "regular contract". I am not sure that the assegno is not. Please be aware, however, that according to my experience information coming from the Italian NCP shouldn't always be regarded as 100% reliable.
@SVI You said that "taxes for assegno are 27.5%"
Where did you hear this? I had an assegno di ricerca in Italy for a few years and it was tax-free.
taxes before gelmini for assegno were 23%, now they are 27.5%, the assegno has never been tax-free, probably they never told you there were taxes and you saw only the net. I had an assegno for a few years, too, it was at 1200 euro or so a month and the gross was around 18000 euro.
For an RTDb you don't need the money set aside for an associate professor position, this is one of the differences between RTDb and american tenure-track, but nobody will have an RTDb, so we forget about it and move on.
Is "cococo" a regular contract? This is the one I want to avoid the most. RTDa has the problem of money ceiling for me (I don't have the problem of years, since I will have a 3-year IOF), and taxes should be higher than for an assegno. I don't know about you, but given the peculiar italian academic current environment/atmosphere i don't think I will have a career in italy so i'm going for the minimum taxes route and assegno is at this point I think the best option.
@gs, thanks, not all the Italian universities have an internal regulation for the "interpretation" and "application" of RTDa contracts, as far as know, my host (Poly milna) has not, but last news is of one month ago.
NCP is pretty much unreliable, they change ideas every so often and I really don't know why there is no common rule for all italian unviersities for marie curie fellows. They will probably say that's because every Uni is autonomous, but in reality is that because they don't care.
Under article 4 of the 476/84 law, borse di studio and assegni di ricerca are exempted from IRPEF (income tax) deductions.
The gross amount of the assegno I held for a few years was over 18,000 and I got around 1440 per month Net. The only deductions that were made were for "gestione separata" pension contributions (my contribution was 1/3 of the total of this, with the university paying the other 2/3. Pensions for non-tenured staff is another complex issue however, as there is no guarantee you will ever see these contributions again).
Anyway, I would agree: take the assegno. The way it works in Italy: if they do want to keep you after the Marie Curie, they will find a way.
Hi,
I am confused, I will soon sign my contract in Italy and they told me that for an IEF is only possible the cococo, thats true? dependes on the university? Can NCP help me? thanks!
@Trvski-IEFCHE
As far as I know, NO, that's not true. Co.co.co. is not a very good contract. At the very least, you should be able to get an assegno di ricerca (more favorable because of various tax deductions).
@Ayos
Thanks, they told me this assegno is not possible because that contract has a maximum salary permitted.
If a new reform modifyied it they still not applied it. What should I do?
@Trvski-IEFCHE what is your university?
The must apply the reform which is, by the way, of December 2010.
I'm starting to think that Italian universities are the worst place to spend a MC in...
@Trvski-IEFCHE
gs is right, with the Gelmini reform the upper limit on the assegno di ricerca was removed. As a matter of fact, yesterday I had a discussion with the administrative staff of my Department, and it looks like the assegno is the best available option. What's your university? Mine is Sapienza University of Rome.
So, seems that each university is a different world, out of the law. Mine decided to do a cococo, as they insist that they have not applied still the modification of maximum permitted by the gelmini law (or they dont want). I will not risk, although I don't like it. I hope yours have a more efficient law!
Hi all,
Please any guess of % of gross salary that arrive to us in Italy? 55 surely no?
colleagues on permanent contracts at UK universities going away on IEF or IOFs: what kind of contractual arrangements have you managed to negotiate at your 'home' university: unpaid academic leave for 2 years or some fractional contract or any other arrangement?
@MC Torino
why not using the scroll up function of the keyboard and look up at recent posts about taxation in Italy?
I have a request: Is there any Italian Ricercatore Confermato or RTI that got an IOF or IEF this year? I am struggling with my university administrative office to understand what is the possible contract that I should get (either type A or "type-B + my usual stipend"). If anyone is in my situation please let me know and we can exchange information.
thanks
Hi che-iof I hope to be in your position soon (now in the reserve list). Last October a MIUR decree decided that Ideas could have Type B and people IEF type A (they are two years contract). IOF is not mentioned. I wrote to NCP but they are not very helpful. My mail is p dot d dot e dot d i n d o at g m a i l dot c o m . The more we are aking for this the better it is. Shall lwe coordinate?
@IOF - IT
do you have any references on the decision of the miur you mention?
@IOF - IT to US:
thanks for your reply. I think there is a little bit of confusion here. I am already a ricercatore confermato. I am just trying to understand if I should get the type-A (without my usual stipend) or type-B (+ my usual stipend) contract of the Marie Curie actions.
Hi, I'm preparing to apply international outgoing fellowship program and would like to know whether I am supposed to specifically determine each of my hypotheses. Or I should give the main problem and a possible solution to this problem in a creative framework?
Thank you very much in advance.
@ Italians applicants! (or if you're apply to go in Italy)
Hi guys. I used to read that forum while I was preparing my proposal. I just jump here today and if you want I can share my experience with the nightmare rules in Italy. I won a IOF and I'm now overseas.
Guys, be prepared. A lot of confusion will be create by any Italian University. It's always a mess. It's not just my opinion (I'm in contact with other people).
First... how to spend your research money (800 eur if you are on a research-based project).. they will tell you that the purchasing has to be done directly from Italy...simply impossible. I had a final compromise about it and if you want I can tell you what is. in any case, as soon as you know you have won the felloship start to ask (and try again if you don't like want they will tell you... every uni and every dept will give you their personal interpretation).
Second, DO NOT rely on our NCP. they could be useful in soem way, but not as they should do. in other country they are more happy to help you or give you information. I strongly suggest to be in touch with your PO in Bruxells.. they are so competent and more kind with us.
Tirdh...the contract. in any Italian uni they will employ you under a co.co.co, be aware that they will cut from the gross the 50% ! I know it's unbelieveble but this is the way. no error, just injustice! they tax you in the same way even for the travel allowance. I'm telling you this so you can make your calculations. the last thing is that something is going on, but we don't know what excatly...from some office they are telling that there is an ipotetical "commission" that is deciding if Marie Curie fellowship (IEF, IOF, IIF) could be considered as an "assegno". if yes it will be far less taxes for us. if anyone have some info about this, please share!
I hope this could be useful. I will never suggest Italy as returning country if I could can back on my proposal!!! I was expecting some mess as we're Italians, but not so dissappointing news!
Good luck!
C
to all in Italy
Italian Universities are a disaster, Now I understand why they are in this economic situation, 50% reduction of the gross is absolutelly an injustice.
But logic think that they need to pay to a lot of people in administration just to cut our salaries in that way.
V-Fan-C-lo
@V-Fan-Clo
In France is the same thing. My paycheck is being reduced more than 50% with social security and other taxes.
@V-Fan-C-lo (ah ah ah, how clever...)
I am going to do an IEF in Italy, and so far it looks like I will get an Assegno di Ricerca (27.5% deduction for the "Gestione Separata", no taxes, the upper limit to salaries was removed by the recent reform), and not a co.co.co. Before settling for a co.co.co., I would suggest that you carefully check if there is a way to get an Assegno.
It seems that all people in Italy that has a co.co.co is complaining about taxation. From other point of view people must know that if you want to continue on in the host after the MC period, there is a maximum of years to have been "assegnisti di ricerca" and if you are "co.co.co" you will not "consume" these years as "assegnisti" and will be able to prolongue your stay...
Ayoos, Do you know already your monthly salary neto, without the mobility?
@N
I don't know for sure yet, but as far as I understood it should be the gross*0.725 (i.e., quite a lot!!! :-) )
@C
you can have an assegno, in the sense that no regulation is prohibiting it. Marie Curie admins do not care about the day to day going on of the project, so you are pretty much free, you and your european host, to do whatever you want.
The big problem is that there is no national regulation of contracts for IOF/IEF in Italy and people, especially if not Italian, can easily misjudge what it is going on.
Do not go for a cococo, say no and no. Go for an assegno or for a RTDa and you have far less than 50%. You don't have to spend money for training/conferences through Italy, it can be transferred for the years outside Europe (in case of IOF) to that university. You can also put the mobility money with the living allowance, they will be taxed (27.62% for assegno), but you can the use the money for whatever you want.
I will have an assegno so the fact that everyone is having a cococo is simply wrong.
@C
of course the responsibile for the confusion and problems you experiences is the host institution, both scientist in charge and admins.
@ JPT:
Did they actually give you the final figures for your net salary? Is it really 55% of the brut taken off?! So the take home salary is only 45% of the brut?...
@ ayoos & @svi I hope you're right and I really hope you'll get the assegno rather than a co.co.co but you must be careful when dealing with Italian burocracy.
I don't want to say Italy is so a disaster, or Universities are so bad (usually people are nice but they simply cannot do differently), but if I have to tell you my story this is what happened. They actually told me -when first I know about the fellowship- that I will have an assegno, but maybe because they cannot do anything different, at the end they told me theres no way (so far) to have an assegno for this fellowship, and that the only possibility is a co.co.co.
Then, what can you do? I asked and looked for other people like me, but all the people were in the same position, even for different cities (and therefore universities)...
So be careful...is just a suggestion, not a threat.
@svi, just ask your institution if they've done an assegno before for a Marie Curie fellowship (I mean in the last few years, after the last reform)..just to be sure! and it will be worth even for me to know if there's any Italian University that use assegno instead of co.co.co. Please tell me if so.
@sauer, I really think the maximum number of years of assegno is so stupid matter..! In any case can you believe my university decide to start over again with this calculation when the new school reform (Gelmini) took place...
Anyway the salary is not bad even after a 50% cut off.. ;-), of course is a shame but the thing that really disappointed me is that none told you how much your salary will be, until you discovered by yourself.
cheers!
what will be taxation for UK - MC fellowship
to C.
I also signed a co.co.co because my univ. is so ______ that still didn't applied that reform. But what we should do? Let's start the project and go on, we can not start a long battle against that internal law which could affect the starting date of the project.
About the difference between cococo and assegno in money, does somebody has any prove?
@ ZH IEF
After a correction, I now receive 52% of the brute.
@ sauer
I agree, I also didn't want to delay the starting date, and in any case you as a single person cannot pretend a different contract than what they wanted. maybe one should contact a lawyer, but it would became complicated and expensive.
In any case I've contacted the ADI association and maybe they can be listened more than the singles.
keep in touch.
and I'm sure the difference is quite big, assegno is around 20% less in taxes than a cococo.
Does anyone know when Grant Agreement Production Progress 2012 for IIF( for March) will be updated?
Thank you
@ mab,
any time from now. Definitely before this weekend
I stand with what I wrote, the options are RTDa and assegno, cococo is a ridicolous contract. The embarassing thing is that as usual it is not clear who has the responsibility, since MC admins don't want to deal with day to day things, including contracts, APRE in Italy is not helpful and NCP are sleeping like babies. My EU contact was answering emails after 3 to 4 weeks on average, go figure. I have a very nice and smart admin dealing with my fellowship at my Italian host institution, but it is difficult even for him to deal with all the exceptions, rules, laws existing in the Italian university.
I must day that in France they take the 50% and that's it, at least in Italy we can try to pay less taxes with other contracts.
@ svi
Is not only concerning your own salary, but even for the overheads.. they will take from yours overheads about 5000 eur py to pay IRAP (other then the other costs for your host institution)..this happens because it's a cococo. It will not happen if you are employed under an assegno.
And it is disappointing because the University could employ MC fellowship under another type of contract and they simply don't do it or they don't want to think about it because they don't take the trouble to save your money!
to C.
my univ. (unimi) offered to me ONLY the option to sign a co.co.co, probably the most of fellows in Italy are in this situation and do not know. thanks for the info!
@EEE
Actually, the IRAP conundrum might provide you with a unique opportunity for convincing the Univ. administration that it is in their best interest to give you an assegno. Indeed, IRAP (8.5% of your salary) is not recognized by the EU as a "legitimate" tax, and it must be paid with the overheads. Unfortunately, for MC fellowships the amount of money allotted for the overheads is about 10% of the total, and I believe that they are quite strict about it. This means that if the people at your university want you to sign a co.co.co, they must be aware of the fact that by doing so they will only be able to get 1.5% of the grant for their administrative expenses. By letting you sign an assegno, on the other hand, they might be able to get as much as 10%. If this does not convince them, I don't know what will.
@EEE & Ayoos
I'm quite sure the University in Italy now can only offer you a cococo. I think is a national decision and not a decision that every University can take by its own.
We can just hope that asking and asking to NCP (useless to my personal opinion) or PO or admin of your host institution can move something at the national level. If you want to do something more...write emails!
cheers!
@C
Universities in Italy are largely autonomous, i.e., if they want to give you an assegno (with no upper limit, as specified by the already approved -albeit not implemented by many universities- Gelmini law), I am quite confident they can. Moreover, I am really convinced that the co.co.co does not comply with EU regulations (especially because of the IRAP tax). Finally, I know that the NCP is unreliable, but last time I checked they said that they asked and they were told that the assegno is an acceptable contract form for MC fellowships. Anyway, I will now ask once more to the administrative staff of my department, but they have always been adamant that they wanted to give me an assegno di ricerca. If now they told me that they changed their mind, I would be extremely disappointed.
I would like to know if anyone who has been awarded an IOF has been able to have the fellowship transferred to the outgoing host (US). Thanks.
Hi all,
I'm trying now to rewrite my application to IEF (got to reserve list in SOC in 2011), and I'm trying to understand the comments I've got.
Any ideas what they want me to do with the following comments on IMPACT?
- Outreach activities are mainly directed at students and professionals.
what do they want me, to outreach kindergarten children?
- The role of the researcher in society is not addressed adequately.
what does it mean "role i society"?
Overall I'm having difficulties to understand what they want me to write in this section.
In other sections I got very clear comments, that I can address to, but here - it's like they try to see if I write exactly what they want, whatever it is :(
any ideas?
thanks.
I think outreach is mainly meant for non-scientists or non-specialists in your same field. For example you could propose to participate in some divulgation fair, newspapers or whatever else to the general public.
THank you for the information. I have seen the updated results and it seems that there is no changes. I have to wait another month to see. They are very,very slow...........
to:
IIF-br 7 days ago
@ mab,
any time from now. Definitely before this weekend
Anyone in the reserve list got the offer so far?
@svi
Somewhere on this thread you wrote you were trying to get payed by the outgoing host (USA). Did you manage to do that? Could you please let me know for I am trying that possibility too. If you'd like I can send you my email. Thanks!
@IEF-LIFE:
I'm first on the iof-life reserve list, I got an offer one day after they published the last update.
@iofus
initially my admin at the European host institution thought it was feasible, but an explicit mail from the European contact confirmed that it was not possible.Basically, you are visiting the outside EU host,but money for salary remains in Europe.you can transfer the money for training.
Does anyone know if you can hold other funding along with a MC?
Anyone hear anything about the REDRESS procedure?
I have made a request for redress. They said that they would contact about the redress result after 3-4 weeks from 28th December 2011. It has been more than 3 months already without any news.
@svi
Thanks for the info. Taxation varies so much from one country to another..The same fellowship should mean the same salary, but it doesn't.
@Kat: Thanks a lot
Anyone in the reserve list of IEF-LIFE. I'm the 2nd one this the reserve list and haven't got any offer so far
@Jo: I don't think so. But you can combine EMBO LTF & MC to get 3 year funding.
Does anybody knows the consequences of "bailing out" on the middle of the fellowship?
@DJ I was looking into a different call recently and came upon some general information about the MC programmes but from the previous 6th Framework. One FAQ refers to what happens if you quit during the outgoing phase of an IOF. When that happens, the host institute inform the commission who then terminate the contract early. I don't think there are any further serious consequences, and I can't imagine it would be much different for IEF. It may have changed for FP7 though. Link to the full doc is:
@DJ and @skymonkey
Regarding the current IOF (FP7), I've been informed that all the amounts already payed by the EU have to be reimbursed if the fellow resigns before doing the (mandatory) return phase.
Hi everybody!
I got a IOF in December 2011
I read in the "Grant Agreement Production Progress" that my research is in the "Proposal in Negotiation" status. I also saw a lot of other proposals in "Grant Agreement signed".
Do you have an idea of when REA will also send the "Grant Agreement" to me?
I am a little annoyed since I and the host proposed REA to start the research on the 1st July 2012. Time is going on very fast and I would really like to know the date! since I have to move from Europe to USA, so I have to organize my departure and several practical stuff (for instance, stop the apartment rent here and find a new place where to stay in the USA!!).
In December 2011-January 2012, REA asked us to better specifyEthical Issues. We did it according to the REA request and indications; but we have not received any answer about Grant Agreement yet. This silence is very annoying me.
Please, Is there anyone in the same situation? or who had the same problem/delay?
Thank you!
L
Hi Luca,
I was in the same situation, until I received the report from the EC ethics committee last week. I thought I was the last one to get it, as I asked to start on September, but it eventually I was wrong. Sorry for that. But don't worry too much. Hopefully you will yours soon. Good luck anyway!
Martin
@Luca74
I'm in the same situation, except I'll be going from Canada to the UK. I also proposed July 1st as the start and haven't heard anything yet. Can't get a Visa/work permit until the contract is set. There is way too much bureaucracy with this. I think most people are in our situation though, the MC people mentioned that it is usually difficult to start before September, especially when moving continents.
@Luca74
I had and still have a similar difficulty. I got an IOF and was going from Europe to Canada with a start date on April 1, 2012. There was a week left until my departure to Canada and I didn't have the grant agreement from the REA yet. We contacted the project officer, who confirmed the start date and based on that the EU project manager at my EU host institution decided to free money for the first 2 months of the project. The university then gave me a work contract for the two months saying that I will get an extension after the documents from EU are delivered. Luckily, the embassy was satisfied with a letter from the university stating that I will get a contract, so I could apply for visa and work permit without the signed grant agreement from EU. Anyway, the whole situation was totally nerve-wracking and everything was arranged at the very last minute. I ended up to only have a couple of hours to pack my luggage and catch the plane. I'm now already in Canada and still don't have the signed grant agreement but the status of my project on the web is "GA sent to host" so I hope to get it soon. If not, I'm afraid I might get into serious troubles because of the work permit.
I totally understand your worries, it really is very difficult. There was a lot of things that I needed to arrange in my home country and didn't manage just because I didn't know anything until the very last minute. I had to leave everything behind, give authorization to my friends and family to arrange the things for me a fly to Canada, hoping that it will work out somehow.
IOF_USA
Hi, does anyone know much my salary ( more than 10 years) would be approx.?
Thanks!
Dear everyone:
Does anyone have any experience with the scientist in charge moving from the European host institution to a non-European university during the outgoing phase?
I plan on going to the European host anyway, and be advised by the scientist in charge remotely. What would be the official procedure?
Thanks!
A couple of questions for 2012 proposals:
I note that the page limit for IEF and IOF is the same, even though for the IOF you would need to detail double the information in many sections/sub-sections: for example two host institutions, two scientists in charge etc. etc. Anyone have any advice on how to deal with this?
And a related question: for Section 1, detailing scientist in charge expertise, you need to outline the publications for both. Since this would take up a lot of room in an 8 page limit section, could you have a Reference Section at the end of the proposal which would be sub-divided into three areas - the first for the references cited in the proposal itself, and then two detailing the selected publications of the two scientists in charge? As long as the overall page limit of 27 pages was adhered to, would this be acceptable?
I'd be grateful for any suggestions
Hello
I am preparing and IOF proposal. The guidelines seem to suggest that we strictly follow the template provided for sections and subsections in Part B. Does this mean we should respect the same subheadings provided (i.e. address one by one the sub-criteria) or shall I better develop each of the 5 main sections and including freely the relevant info for the sub criteria ?
Thanks for any advice !
Jean
@ Jean
I recommend following the guidelines VERY closely (copy-pasting the subheadings). There are strict criteria for reviewers of each section and you don't want to miss out on that!
@kk - Thanks for the advice. I was about to follow more the other approach : the provided subheadings did not seem appropriate to me, in order to thoroughly describe the project, and are sometimes redundant between sections.
For everyone applying this year to any of the fellowships: FOLLOW THE EXACT PART B TEMPLATE. In order to be succesful you should do that plus: 1) read at least 1 succesful part B; 2) there's an evaluator guidance notes file going around in internet (google it), READ IT; 3) Give a lot of time to each of the items. Read as many ESRs (evaluation summary reports) as you can, both succesful and not.
For all this data, scroll up and READ CAREFULLY ALL THE DISCUSSION OF LAST YEAR'S CALL. Everything's in there, do not be lazy!!!!!
Good Luck
@jean
This was also my initial instinct, until I read previous evaluation reports from colleagues! There are different evaluators and you even need to repeat information in different parts. In the end, this approach was successful, even though my reviewers still pointed out at times that some small detail from the guideline was not explained enough (bcos I probably thought it was not relevant enough for my project...).
Good luck!!
Hello,
I am planning to do a Marie Curie IOF in Singapore, whilst being employed at a Germany Univeristy for the full duration of the fellowship. Has anybody got some experience and/or recommendations regarding with health insurance, preferably one that also covers dependants as well as preexisiting conditions?
@nejlonka @Jo @Martin
thank you very much guys!
Even if your answer do not give a real and definitive solution, they are VERY important for me since, now, I know which is the "context" and I know that I am not the only one with these annoying problems :-(
In the next days I will try to contact REA. But, I think, the only thing to do is waiting, and hoping to be advised in time for planning the departure.
Best
L
Thanks again for the advices.
Any idea where we can find examples of successful proposals ?
@ Jean
Here is one: it won, but completely ignored the page limits!! Seemingly a no no, but clearly not a problem for him... Anyone else know about page limit 'flexibility'?
@ 2012 MC
Yeah, so much for page limit, that proposal used 10 pages in an 8 page limit section and 3 pages in a 2 page limit section, and in total used 26.5 pages for a 25 page limit (that was the limit in 2010 for the IOF). I wonder how many other successes were over the limit, especially for the first section? And how many that were over but weren't funded were criticized in their ESR for disregarding the page limit?
If rider_tiger is around maybe he could comment?
Hallo ! i applied for the second call and my score is 4.47 out of 5. I read that for the last call was possible to know a preliminary list of successfull applicants. How is it possible? and where can I find it? Thank you so much!
Hello
http://www.2020-horizon.com is a new fp7 website that covers the program topic by topic, you can search easily topics, programs, companies and projects
In a moment of downtime I remembered to ask: I would like to learn more about the selection of expert reviewers for IOF/IEF/IIF. As list of names goes a bit far, but affiliations and disciplines would be nice to read.
With an above 90/100 (reserve list) followed by a below 83/100 score I think I can safely say I am not very impressed with the MC review process. To be honnest; the last review was so blunt and useless it made me wonder if someone had an axe to grind on my (or my colleagues) behalf.
Anyone with access to details of the expert reviewers?
Anyone in the reserve list got the offer so far?
@IIF-life
I have same question?
@IIF-life and IIF-CHE
same question. when they will update the list?
2 months late than expected....
@IIF-CHE and mab: an update is now available
Anyone know why they changed positions on the reserve list? Disgusting!
@IIF-life
same question!
the people on the reserve list has increased!!
but from where?
need another 2 months to wait......until give up
@mab
Its seems that in the last update projects where sorted by ID number instead of ranking position... It is like a real mess.
I'm 2nd on the reserve list of IEF-LIFE and I got the negotiation offer sometime in April.
@IIF-life @mab
there is some error in at least IIF-CHE list
its strange to see same project twice with different contract numbers. Interestingly, some projects even have different status. For instance at one place 'THOR' status is 'agreement signed' and another place same project's status says 'withdrawal'.
I don't know what's going on. My place in reserve list has moved down by 5 ranks.
there are strange errors in IIF-CHE update list.
many projects are listed twice with different contract numbers. A project 'THOR' has even two different status, 'agreement signed' and 'withdrawal'
What's going on?????????
It seems in case of IEF and IOF lists reserve lists have been rearranged because earlier projects were sorted by ID numbers instead of ranking position.
However, in case of IIF-CHE reserve list was NOT sorted by ID number earlier. Still, it has been reshuffled in this update (Based on what???)
Does anyone know if an IIF that is intended to be 2 years in host country, can be changed to 1 year in host country/1 year back in home country?
Does anyone know if there are any constraints regarding the possibility to teach under the marie curie contract?
Hi everybody!
I have just finished the "negotiation phase", finally!!
Does anybody know the indicative time needed for the Grant Agreement signature? I mean, the time that REA takes to send to host institutions the documentation?
I move from UK to the USA and I really need to know more about my timetable in order to: manage VISA and book the flight and find an apartment.
I must start the project on the 1st July 2012 and I would really need to land in the USA around the 21st June.
Thanks for your help!
L
They adjust the priority for GA processing depending on your indicative starting date, so if you mentioned that you gonna start in 1st July, it should be fine.
For those who are starting a MC grant in Italy. This is what the Italian NCP told me today:
"le università in ambito Marie Curie fanno solo contratti co.co.co. Chieda quindi alla propria amministrazione di verificare. Abbiamo appena finalizzato un documento del GdL Soci APRE sui contratti di lavoro applicabili in ambito MC e tutte le università partecipanti hanno espresso quanto sopra. Quello che non è applicabile è il contratto a tempo determinato. Il documento (linee guida) sarà a disposizione SOLO dei nostri soci a breve.
Riguardo la docenza: il borsiti MC ha presentato un progetto dove ci sono esclusivamente attività di ricerca e NON DI DIDATTICA. Di conseguenza, essendo pagato dal grant europeo e non da fondi universitari, deve svolgere attività comprese nel progetto di ricerca approvato dalla CE, e non attività proprie dell'università. Tenga presente che occorre anche tenere un timesheet per la rendicontazione ed esporre le ore impiegate nel progetto di ricerca."
translation in summary:
- Italian universities do only co.co.co. contracts, tell your administration to verify
- We (the NCP) have redacted a document with the applicable contracts and all participant universities agreed with the co.co.co.
- The RTDa is not applicable
- The document will be available only to the members of our association
- Regarding the teaching: MC fellows present a project with only research activities and not teaching, therefore, you should do research and not do activities of the university.
- Be aware that you have to mantain a timesheet to account for the hours employed in the project.
My administration continues telling me that they cannot do co.co.co, due to the art. 29, comma 11, letter d) of law 240/2010.
I'm starting thinking that MCs are illegal in Italy.
Hi Guys,
I just learned that I am the 1st on reserve list for EU CIG March 2012 cut-off date. My score is 86.9, and I am on the Physics list. I am also told that I am 28th on the full list, and the first 27 guys will be awarded.
So, any idea about my chances to get EU CIG funding. It would be really hard to wait.
Thanks for the suggestions in advance.
@lefita
My MC has yet to start,but my italian institution says that i will have an assegno and not a cococo.
I don't know about teaching, if you want to get paid for it, I think you cannot, if you don't want to get paid, you do whatever. Why do you want to teach anyway? MC is for 2 or 3 years of research and additional training, it is a great opportunity and should not be "wasted" with teaching, especially if you are not paid for it. if your supervisor wants you to teach, refuse.
The timesheet information I think is false information,REA does not deal with the day to day management of operations. It is clear that yours is a full-time activity, but formal keeping of a timesheet is not written anywhere and who's going to check anyway?
People at NCP should be fired.
I do not really care about teaching, although in my proposal I wrote that I would have done some seminars. Actually, there is the possibility that I will remain in Italy after the MC, so I am concerned on how can the contract contribute to my career in Italy.
If I planned to stay only these two years, of course I would have gone for an assegno without any problem.
The thing that really annoys me is that the people at the NCP is so useless and obnoxious. Moreover, it is normal that the administrative details are not published for free?
As soon as I finish with all this bureaucracy I'll take my time to report this disservice.
Mrl 2 years ago
"GANTT CHART here. Very important a lot of people leave out in their work plan." -- because it's not mentioned in the guide? Why is a Gantt Chart better than a concise description of the work plan by months?